Common sense gun regulations--need to be passed now.

[RDD_1210]

Does anyone else find it weird that mental illness hardly ever massacres people in Australia, UK, Japan or Canada?

 

[jc456]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Like what?

 

[BlackSand]

Does anyone else find it weird that mental illness hardly ever massacres people in Australia, UK, Japan or Canada?

Minus Canada ...
It would be wise to actually understand the governments have been more responsible for massacres in regards to those countries ...

.

 

[Rustic]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

First of all they are magazines not clips shit for brains... lol
Two - 100% unconstitutional so shove that up your fucking pansy ass
Three - None of your fucking business
Four - Certainly none of your fucking business or mine and certainly none of the federal governments business so shove that up your ass
Five - Unconstitutional to the extreme
Six - Straw buyers are a nonissue, find a scarier boogie man

None of your frivolous gun laws/ideas would’ve worked on any of the shootings. Because you are a clueless pussy whipped bitch.
Progressives ideas just don’t work in reality because They have no sense of reality... lol

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

If you could magically take all guns away.........would that be the end of VIOLENCE?
Do you think there is no violence in the UK or Australia where guns are not widely owned like they are in the US? Check carefully, assaults, rapes, burglaries are more prevalent there.....and gun violence is on the rise in both places.
The US has more occasional "group" killings, but far less overall crime against individuals.

First of all....only the law abiding would turn them in.....As in the UK....most guns would be in the hands of criminals.
The UK has a rising problem with illegal guns in the hands of criminals and an unarmed, defenseless population.

Secondly, the problem is not guns, it's Leftist, Liberal policies creating generations of losers and entitled cry-babies who get on Facebook and fool themselves into thinking they're stars when in reality they can't even hold a job at McDonalds due to their horrid upbringing (or lack thereof)

Third....What will you do if guns were gone and the murder rate climbs even higher as those determined to kill use vehicles, home made explosives, knives, poisons etc? Do you know how easy it is to make Chlorine Gas at home?

Finally, the INTENT of the 2nd amendment is to protect an entire nation against government tyranny. Our government has never been closer to tyranny than it is today. The price of freedom was never FREE. These Leftist created school shootings are a small price to pay for an entire society to ensure that Millions don't become subjected to government tyranny. There are going to be violent Leftist commiting these school shootings.....your choice.....a few casualties or MILLIONS? Why would you want MILLIONS of Americans to possibly die by taking away their only means of defense?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Question: if you were to get all the legislation passed and signed into law that you are asking for here, what are you going to want after the next mass shooting happens?

The OP-er can answer for him-/herself. My answer to that question is as follows:

1. Nobody who matters and who advocates for measures such as the OP-er has thinks they will stop all mass shootings.
   • To assert or imply that absolute prevention of mass shootings and other unlawful gun-related deaths and injuries be the goal of gun-control advocates is to misrepresent what gun-control advocates (the ones who matter and who are sagacious about what they propose) propose.
2. The goal of such measures as the OP-er has suggested is to notably curtail the incidence of mass shootings and other gun-caused deaths and injuries.
3. Because curtailment, not cessation, is the goal, in the immediate wake of the next mass shooting there'd be nothing to do beyond continuing to vigorously enforce the suggested policies.
4. Two and four years after full implementation -- i.e., enactment completed, requisite staffing effected and deployed, requisite materials obtained and deployed -- measure the effectiveness of the newly implemented provisions.
   • If mass shootings at the two and four year marks indicate the incidence of mass shootings and, most importantly, the number of people killed by mass shooters is notably [1] lower than whatever be the mass shooting rate of increase or rate of decrease -- whichever was the prevailing trend at the most recent trend vertex prior to the provisions' full implementation [2] -- then it stands to reason that the provisions are doing what they are supposed to be doing, i.e., effective.
   • Obviously, the methodology for measuring the initiatives'/legislation's/regulations' effectiveness must be defined/designed and agreed upon prior to implementation. To not do so will almost certainly lead to a ton of "who struck John" when the time comes to measure the policies' performance.

Notes:

1. What does "notable" mean as I've used it? It means the observed changes are statistically significant. Click this sentence's link if you don't understand the methods, math, mechanics and aptness of methodology for calculating statistical significance, and want to. The link in this note's first sentence goes to a narrative description of statistical significance. (And don't reply to me talking about "statistics can be made to say anything" for doing so will merely inform me you don't know what you're talking about and I won't make time to respond to you.)
2. Trend vertices -- Human behavior is not linear; there are often "peaks and valleys," as with a sine wave, in the curves that describe incidences of events humans undertake. Thus, for example, if the mass shooting curve at the time of implementation is on an upswing, one would want to see the slope of the upswing "flatten" or "flip." Whether a "flattening" or "flip," or the extent of either, is notable depends on the steepness of the curve at the start of the attenuation initiative. To wit:
   • If the mass shooting curve is trending down during the pre-implementation baseline period:
     • a "flip" would indicate the initiative isn't working because it'd mean the rate of mass shootings is increasing, which is the very opposite of the desired outcome.
     • a "flattening" might or might not be indicative of the initiative(s) working
     • a "steepening" probably indicates the initiative is working, but whether it does or doesn't would depend on whether the "steeping" is statistically significant.
   • If the mass shooting curve is trending up during the pre-implementation baseline period:
     • a "flip" probably indicates the initiative is working, but whether it is or isn't would depend on whether the "flip" is statistically significant.
     • a "flattening" might or might not be indicative of the initiative(s) working
     • a "steepening" would indicate the initiative isn't working because it'd mean the rate of mass shootings is increasing, which is the very opposite of the desired outcome.

Nowhere in the OP nor in your rant did you mention anything about going to the root cause and core of this problem which is:

1. Broken homes/divorce
2. No respect for human life
3. Depraved minds/not being taught about God/love

 

[jc456]

Does anyone else find it weird that mental illness hardly ever massacres people in Australia, UK, Japan or Canada?

I’m visiting St. Louis and last night two people were murdered with a knife, one was a two year old. Should we do something about knives? It isn’t the utensil, it’s the individual and lack of law enforcement actually doing their jobs. The fbi was told about the villain and should have picked him up. How about not making schools soft targets. Security! Dude, it isn’t the gun

 

[Norman]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Or even better, let's ban public schools. No more school shootings is just a small benefit.

 

[jc456]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Question: if you were to get all the legislation passed and signed into law that you are asking for here, what are you going to want after the next mass shooting happens?

The OP-er can answer for him-/herself. My answer to that question is as follows:

1. Nobody who matters and who advocates for measures such as the OP-er has thinks they will stop all mass shootings.
   • To assert or imply that absolute prevention of mass shootings and other unlawful gun-related deaths and injuries be the goal of gun-control advocates is to misrepresent what gun-control advocates (the ones who matter and who are sagacious about what they propose) propose.
2. The goal of such measures as the OP-er has suggested is to notably curtail the incidence of mass shootings and other gun-caused deaths and injuries.
3. Because curtailment, not cessation, is the goal, in the immediate wake of the next mass shooting there'd be nothing to do beyond continuing to vigorously enforce the suggested policies.
4. Two and four years after full implementation -- i.e., enactment completed, requisite staffing effected and deployed, requisite materials obtained and deployed -- measure the effectiveness of the newly implemented provisions.
   • If mass shootings at the two and four year marks indicate the incidence of mass shootings and, most importantly, the number of people killed by mass shooters is notably [1] lower than whatever be the mass shooting rate of increase or rate of decrease -- whichever was the prevailing trend at the most recent trend vertex prior to the provisions' full implementation [2] -- then it stands to reason that the provisions are doing what they are supposed to be doing, i.e., effective.
   • Obviously, the methodology for measuring the initiatives'/legislation's/regulations' effectiveness must be defined/designed and agreed upon prior to implementation. To not do so will almost certainly lead to a ton of "who struck John" when the time comes to measure the policies' performance.

Notes:

1. What does "notable" mean as I've used it? It means the observed changes are statistically significant. Click this sentence's link if you don't understand the methods, math, mechanics and aptness of methodology for calculating statistical significance, and want to. The link in this note's first sentence goes to a narrative description of statistical significance. (And don't reply to me talking about "statistics can be made to say anything" for doing so will merely inform me you don't know what you're talking about and I won't make time to respond to you.)
2. Trend vertices -- Human behavior is not linear; there are often "peaks and valleys," as with a sine wave, in the curves that describe incidences of events humans undertake. Thus, for example, if the mass shooting curve at the time of implementation is on an upswing, one would want to see the slope of the upswing "flatten" or "flip." Whether a "flattening" or "flip," or the extent of either, is notable depends on the steepness of the curve at the start of the attenuation initiative. To wit:
   • If the mass shooting curve is trending down during the pre-implementation baseline period:
     • a "flip" would indicate the initiative isn't working because it'd mean the rate of mass shootings is increasing, which is the very opposite of the desired outcome.
     • a "flattening" might or might not be indicative of the initiative(s) working
     • a "steepening" probably indicates the initiative is working, but whether it does or doesn't would depend on whether the "steeping" is statistically significant.
   • If the mass shooting curve is trending up during the pre-implementation baseline period:
     • a "flip" probably indicates the initiative is working, but whether it is or isn't would depend on whether the "flip" is statistically significant.
     • a "flattening" might or might not be indicative of the initiative(s) working
     • a "steepening" would indicate the initiative isn't working because it'd mean the rate of mass shootings is increasing, which is the very opposite of the desired outcome.

Nowhere in the OP nor in your rant did you mention anything about going to the root cause and core of this problem which is:

1. Broken homes/divorce
2. No respect for human life
3. Depraved minds/not being taught about God/love

Gun free zones

 

[RDD_1210]

Does anyone else find it weird that mental illness hardly ever massacres people in Australia, UK, Japan or Canada?

I’m visiting St. Louis and last night two people were murdered with a knife, one was a two year old. Should we do something about knives? It isn’t the utensil, it’s the individual and lack of law enforcement actually doing their jobs. The fbi was told about the villain and should have picked him up. How about not making schools soft targets. Security! Dude, it isn’t the gun

I didn't say it was the gun. It's the access to guns.

 

[Rustic]

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Who do we vote for if we want to protect the constitution and instead hold the shooters responsible?

Our forefathers never intended to use the 2nd amendment as an excuse to slaugher innocent American citizens.

You sound like a bitch in heat… What did Jefferson say about the tree of liberty?

 

[Rustic]

So nothing about the root cause?



Like single mothers, violence on television, movies, video games, in music.....

I had to laugh when the Sheriff in Florida, stated call us, let us know which kids may be acting strange. Then the reporter asked--well, could you have taken that AR-15 and ammo away from this kid if notified. Well NO--it's his legal right to have it. Furthermore, someone had already reported this kid to the FBI--and they did NOTHING. So apparently you have to shoot some people, before they can legally take away your weapon.
FBI notified 6 months ago about FL Shooter – InvestmentWatch

The irony: So you have people in marijuana states that are getting busted for growing one plant over, who's entire crop is confiscated and they're walked off in handcuffs--- Is there something WRONG with this picture?

And we've seen where people who were under FBI watch for suspected terrorism can't be touched--yet they can go into any gun store and load up on guns and ammo.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...b6c1998b7a0_story.html?utm_term=.06ff53460b3e

So while you're busy trying to get to the "root" cause, how many more innocents need to die in this country?

Drugs are infinitely more dangerous than any firearms. Shit for brains

 

[EvilCat Breath]

None of the listed changes would have stopped this shooting. Removing guns from law abiding citizens has one purpose, to make criminal activity safe. The Democrat goal is the replacement of the electorate. Specifically, the replacement of the white electorate. Disarming whites and arming black and Latino gangs would solve that Democrat problem once and for all.

 

[Norman]

None of the listed changes would have stopped this shooting. Removing guns from law abiding citizens has one purpose, to make criminal activity safe. The Democrat goal is the replacement of the electorate. Specifically, the replacement of the white electorate. Disarming whites and arming black and Latino gangs would solve that Democrat problem once and for all.

People who can protect themselves against criminals are the worst enemy of the democrats.

 

[KeiserC]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Question: if you were to get all the legislation passed and signed into law that you are asking for here, what are you going to want after the next mass shooting happens?

The OP-er can answer for him-/herself. My answer to that question is as follows:

1. Nobody who matters and who advocates for measures such as the OP-er has thinks they will stop all mass shootings.
   • To assert or imply that absolute prevention of mass shootings and other unlawful gun-related deaths and injuries be the goal of gun-control advocates is to misrepresent what gun-control advocates (the ones who matter and who are sagacious about what they propose) propose.
2. The goal of such measures as the OP-er has suggested is to notably curtail the incidence of mass shootings and other gun-caused deaths and injuries.
3. Because curtailment, not cessation, is the goal, in the immediate wake of the next mass shooting there'd be nothing to do beyond continuing to vigorously enforce the suggested policies.
4. Two and four years after full implementation -- i.e., enactment completed, requisite staffing effected and deployed, requisite materials obtained and deployed -- measure the effectiveness of the newly implemented provisions.
   • If mass shootings at the two and four year marks indicate the incidence of mass shootings and, most importantly, the number of people killed by mass shooters is notably [1] lower than whatever be the mass shooting rate of increase or rate of decrease -- whichever was the prevailing trend at the most recent trend vertex prior to the provisions' full implementation [2] -- then it stands to reason that the provisions are doing what they are supposed to be doing, i.e., effective.
   • Obviously, the methodology for measuring the initiatives'/legislation's/regulations' effectiveness must be defined/designed and agreed upon prior to implementation. To not do so will almost certainly lead to a ton of "who struck John" when the time comes to measure the policies' performance.

Notes:

1. What does "notable" mean as I've used it? It means the observed changes are statistically significant. Click this sentence's link if you don't understand the methods, math, mechanics and aptness of methodology for calculating statistical significance, and want to. The link in this note's first sentence goes to a narrative description of statistical significance. (And don't reply to me talking about "statistics can be made to say anything" for doing so will merely inform me you don't know what you're talking about and I won't make time to respond to you.)
2. Trend vertices -- Human behavior is not linear; there are often "peaks and valleys," as with a sine wave, in the curves that describe incidences of events humans undertake. Thus, for example, if the mass shooting curve at the time of implementation is on an upswing, one would want to see the slope of the upswing "flatten" or "flip." Whether a "flattening" or "flip," or the extent of either, is notable depends on the steepness of the curve at the start of the attenuation initiative. To wit:
   • If the mass shooting curve is trending down during the pre-implementation baseline period:
     • a "flip" would indicate the initiative isn't working because it'd mean the rate of mass shootings is increasing, which is the very opposite of the desired outcome.
     • a "flattening" might or might not be indicative of the initiative(s) working
     • a "steepening" probably indicates the initiative is working, but whether it does or doesn't would depend on whether the "steeping" is statistically significant.
   • If the mass shooting curve is trending up during the pre-implementation baseline period:
     • a "flip" probably indicates the initiative is working, but whether it is or isn't would depend on whether the "flip" is statistically significant.
     • a "flattening" might or might not be indicative of the initiative(s) working
     • a "steepening" would indicate the initiative isn't working because it'd mean the rate of mass shootings is increasing, which is the very opposite of the desired outcome.

Nowhere in the OP nor in your rant did you mention anything about going to the root cause and core of this problem which is:

1. Broken homes/divorce
2. No respect for human life
3. Depraved minds/not being taught about God/love

Moral relativism is not just the 'new norm' it is being championed just about everywhere... Is it any wonder that we have infanticide in the 10's of millions, Judaeo Christian standards are gleefully being repudiated and replaced.... How can we be surprised... it makes perfect sense that we see this evil acted out in the form of senseless, depraved shootings. Best advice I can think of "trust in God but keep your powder dry" Jon Smith (I think)

 

[NightFox]

Uh-huh and why did "the People" decide to do that?

When they became stupid enough to expect, and grant power to the federal government to accomplish what it cannot accomplish.
When they starting ignoring the simple fact that legislation is long-term ... And was never intended to be a Band-Aid.
.

Is it all possible that "the People" would not have gotten to that point if they had leadership that was honest, perceptive and focused on the long-term best interests of society instead of the disingenuous, only focused on getting re-elected professional politicians that we ended up with?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo..

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Ya know....Leftists already accomplished all this......IN VENEZUELA.

How's that working out for Venezuela?
(It takes a special kind of Imbecile to see this and still push for more gun controls)

 

[blackhawk]

Ban semi automatic weapons pretty much every gun sold in this country is semi automatic you basically just called for a total gun ban.

 

[BlackSand]

Is it all possible that "the People" would not have gotten to that point if they had leadership that was honest, perceptive and focused on the long-term best interests of society instead of the disingenuous, only focused on getting re-elected professional politicians that we ended up with?

In a Representative Republic ... The People pick the leaders ... Not the other way around.
They are picking leaders that will stick a bag of fries out the window ... Not for their leadership.

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[EvilCat Breath]

Nikolas Cruz was reported to the FBI. Deputies were called to his home every other week for a year. Everyone that knew him knew he was insane. He was medicated to the hilt. Not one person ever questioned his access or ownership of firearms.

Instead, liberals want to take the pistol of a grandma who lives alone and has only one means of self defense.

This is not the thought processes of a sane society. It is the thought processes of a society with an agenda. That agenda is not in the best interests of the public.