Come on you dishonest people point the errors in my facts...

[Listening]

The left are cowards when presented with something like this.

It essentially takes out the entire foundation for the disaster we call Obummercare.

 

[healthmyths]

His point is that somehow 46 million uninsured means 46 million who want insurance but can't get it.

As has been pointed out through the entire debate (even while Jakes Boyfriend is goring him from behind), is that there are lots of people who have access to insurance who won't avail themselves. If someone makes 75 K a year, they can probably afford insurace. If they chose not to get it, that is their choice and it isn't up to us to give it to them if they don't want it.

14 million people are eligible for Medicaid but are just too lazy to simply register! They qualified BEFORE ACA for Medicaid and the same group
that wants to administer our entire health system and now we are hearing about gross mismanagement of VA couldn't get these 14 million
already eligible Registered! So how in the hell are they competent to run 1/6th of the economy?
The same liars that totally ignored these 14 million ALSO counted 10 million illegals as uninsured!
Now Obama admits the illegals don't qualify for Obamacare SO why in the f..k did he include them in this number:
"I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. " HE now admits HE LIED!

And yes your point about the 18 million falsely counted as "uninsured" that don't want it as they don't need it an can afford it as they make over $50k a year!

I am glad you understand the point that there NEVER were 46 million that wanted, or eligible or didn't know !
4 million!

I understand all to well. This pathetic lie has been one of the cornerstones of the left's efforts to push through some form of healthcare bill.

ABSOLUTELY! And yet even idiot conservatives talk in terms of "30 million" uninsured! THERE NEVER WERE as you and a few comprehend!
It was a massive exaggeration of a problem that allowed as Rahm Emanuel said..
You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.
Read more at You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity... - Rahm Emanuel at BrainyQuote
there NEVER was a health crisis regarding the insured!
There HAS always been since lawyers making $270 billion a year over $850 billion a year in wasted medical practices known as "defensive medicine" because
90% of doctors admit they do that out of FEAR of being sued!
And see going to court is not what happens 94% of the cases are settled by insurance companies out of court!
HENCE we have insurance companies paying the claims to prevent being sued and settling out of court.. all adding up to absolutely GROSS WASTE of money!

 

[healthmyths]

Still no takers.

It is amazing that you've laid out the numbers and you get is JakeTheFake farting out how this has already been dealt with....which is a huge lie.

Thank you!
It is so amazing that because of political ideology black is white, up is down.. 46 million are uninsured all totally proven wrong headed points of view..except to the politically driven idiots!

 

[healthmyths]

Just a reminder you Obama/ACA/ideologues....
Please explain why AFTER ACA was passed Obama agreed that illegals would not be covered by ACA...WHILE before it was passed he included that 10 million figure that comes from the Census!

Also Why with all the inefficiencies of the VA, IRS scandals, continual daily disbelief in the competency of this administration is it not surprising that 14 million people under the poverty level DON"T know they were eligible BEFORE ACA was signed for Medicaid?
Was it a plot to hype the numbers to 46 million uninsured? Either a plot to keep 14 million Americans in the dark regarding their
eligibility for Medicaid OR total incompetency!
Either way 14 million only needed to register and they had Medicaid! That leaves 22 million of the supposedly 46 million!
finally why must 18 million people buy health insurance even though they can afford their employers' plans. It is their decision not the government. But Obamacare once again showing their ignorance of how insurance works.. included these 18 million ... when in fact.
less the 4 million really wanted, made too much money for Medicaid but needed some coverage!
GOOD.... have the lawyers pay 10% of their $270 billion a year just as tanning salons under ACA have to pay 10% as tanning causes cancer,
well lawyers cause the $850 BILLION a year in what 90% of doctors call "defensive medicine" duplicate tests out of fear of lawsuits!
That 10% would provide health insurance for each of the 4 million truly uninsured!

I really don't understand these idiots complaining about the money grabbing insurance companies but totally ignoring the $850 billion a year
insurance companies, Medicare, and out of pocket payers pay for defensive medical practices..all out of fear of lawsuits!
Total fact that if Tort reform coupled with the above suggestion... $200 to $300 billion a year in savings from duplicate tests,etc. passed on to the insurance companies/Medicare and out of pocket payers!

 

[Listening]

Seven pages and the pussies on the left won't touch this one.

You people are pathetic.

 

[healthmyths]

Totally agree with you!

This gigantic lie is repeated even by conservatives that don't seem to comprehend that nearly 40% of the so-called 46 million uninsured,
don't NEED (under 34 so expensive services not needed), can afford (make over $50,000) but also don't want to use their employers' health plan!
So why were they counted as "uninsured"??? To boost the number!
Then 22% of the 46 million are NOT citizens... and in fact NOW after obamacare was passed EVEN Obama stopped using 46 million because he said
these 10 million would not be eligible for ACA...again after lying about 46 million to pass ACA.

And not one of even conservatives ever asked WHY did 14 million people Eligible for Medicaid NOT get registered? This is nearly 30% of the 46 million!
So why would we trust the same people that not only can't get 14 million people registered for Medicaid to manage 1/6th of the economy correctly?

 

[Listening]

Totally agree with you!

This gigantic lie is repeated even by conservatives that don't seem to comprehend that nearly 40% of the so-called 46 million uninsured,
don't NEED (under 34 so expensive services not needed), can afford (make over $50,000) but also don't want to use their employers' health plan!
So why were they counted as "uninsured"??? To boost the number!
Then 22% of the 46 million are NOT citizens... and in fact NOW after obamacare was passed EVEN Obama stopped using 46 million because he said
these 10 million would not be eligible for ACA...again after lying about 46 million to pass ACA.

And not one of even conservatives ever asked WHY did 14 million people Eligible for Medicaid NOT get registered? This is nearly 30% of the 46 million!
So why would we trust the same people that not only can't get 14 million people registered for Medicaid to manage 1/6th of the economy correctly?

What's more funny is that you have Harry Reid essentially saying that people are not smart enough to manage their own health insurance. So trust us...we are smarter.

Then we see how well the web-site roll out went.

 

[healthmyths]

Totally agree with you!

This gigantic lie is repeated even by conservatives that don't seem to comprehend that nearly 40% of the so-called 46 million uninsured,
don't NEED (under 34 so expensive services not needed), can afford (make over $50,000) but also don't want to use their employers' health plan!
So why were they counted as "uninsured"??? To boost the number!
Then 22% of the 46 million are NOT citizens... and in fact NOW after obamacare was passed EVEN Obama stopped using 46 million because he said
these 10 million would not be eligible for ACA...again after lying about 46 million to pass ACA.

And not one of even conservatives ever asked WHY did 14 million people Eligible for Medicaid NOT get registered? This is nearly 30% of the 46 million!
So why would we trust the same people that not only can't get 14 million people registered for Medicaid to manage 1/6th of the economy correctly?

What's more funny is that you have Harry Reid essentially saying that people are not smart enough to manage their own health insurance. So trust us...we are smarter.

Then we see how well the web-site roll out went.

Thanks! Forgot about that paragon of intelligence who also told us...
"He was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama -- a "light-skinned" African American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one," as he said privately."

 

[Listening]

We'll bump it again.

 

[billyerock1991]

I'm big enough and definitely smart enough to know I make mistakes.

After all I am not like Obama who was called a god by NewsWeek editor.

I generally though provide LINKS for any statements and I truly don't like to waste my time if I"M WRONG!

There are major points I've continued to make here but NO ONE SEEMS TO refute them!

HENCE I'm right and yet NONE of you are man enough to admit it!

Example I. There have never been 46 million Americans that wanted and could not get health insurance! LIE!
1) The Census tells us that when they counted that 46 million included were 10 million non-citizens!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
That leaves 36 million...

2) The Census agrees that they have made mistakes in the undercounting of people eligible for Medicaid.
"Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third — almost 14 million — were reachable through existing government health programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules!
In the latest Census health insurance report, the Census Bureau acknowledges that the survey “…underreports Medicare and Medicaid coverage compared with enrollment and participation data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).”

SOURCE: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

Do you understand? BEFORE ACA 14 million need ONLY enroll and they became INSURED! that leaves 22 million not 46 million

3) 18 million people fit into this category..Americans that don't want health insurance.
called "young invincibles" i.e. under 34, therefore DON'T NEED.. these 18 million can afford (make over $50k) but don't want to pay their employers'
health plan fees.

So why were 18 million that don't WANT health insurance still counted as part of the 46 million??
SOURCE: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009

That leaves 4 million that truly want and need but couldn't get insurance!
FINE let's insure them with the 10% tax on lawyers $270 billion and that provides a $5,000 policy each year for each of the 4 million truly uninsured!

Example II. The BIGGEST cost of health care is the $850 billion that doctors attest they cause because of fear of lawsuits!

"Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year. This is 26 to 34% of all US healthcare costs.
Up to 92% of US physicians practice defensive medicine.
76% of physicians report that defensive medicine decreases patient access to healthcare.
53% of physicians report delaying new techniques, procedures, and treatments due to fear of lawsuits.
Patients most affected by defensive medicine include those visiting emergency rooms and those requiring surgery.
Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.
Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
89% of physicians support a patient’s right to be compensated fairly for true negligence.

SOURCE: Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

These are two major examples of WHERE I"M RIGHT but all of you seem feckless in proving me wrong!

PLEASE if you can prove either of the two examples are grossly 100% WRONG PROVE IT!!!

its not a case of right and wrong ...its a case of you picking a blogger who has distorted every question you have asked for us liberal/dems to respond too ... your non-sence is a waste of time ... why ???? because every thing that we point out as being wrong, you will come back with a oh yeah, or call us a commie or a socialist or a marxis or some nasty remark ... that why your post is a total waste of time ... you don't really want a answwer to these question you just want to try and I mean try to make fools of us... we won't fall for that crap ... if you trully want a answer ask one question and the source of your question

 

[healthmyths]

Thanks!

Such a simple simple recognition that even now Obama agrees 10 million of the supposedly 46 million are not citizens!
Getting back to Obama's statement, he said, "Nearly 46 million Americans don't have health insurance coverage today." That is the most recent number for the U.S. Census available, but he messes it up in one way that would tend to overcount the uninsured and in another way that would tend to undercount them.

It's an overcount because it counts noncitizens. Take out the 9.7 million noncitizens and the actual number is closer to 36 million
Number of those without health insurance about 46 million | PolitiFact

But see Obama USED that number BEFORE ACA was passed... NOW he uses 36 million WHICH as pointed out FREQUENTLY includes 14 million that
were totally eligible BEFORE ACA for Medicaid!

The 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) identified 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured in 2003.
Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association contracted with the Actuarial Research Corporation (ARC) to provide a detailed analysis of the uninsured identified
by the Census Bureau, which found:
Nearly one-third [14.7 million] were reachable through public programs, such as Medicaid and the SCHIP program for children
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

That leaves 22 million NOT 46 million!!!

 

[billyerock1991]

Totally agree with you!

This gigantic lie is repeated even by conservatives that don't seem to comprehend that nearly 40% of the so-called 46 million uninsured,
don't NEED (under 34 so expensive services not needed), can afford (make over $50,000) but also don't want to use their employers' health plan!
So why were they counted as "uninsured"??? To boost the number!
Then 22% of the 46 million are NOT citizens... and in fact NOW after obamacare was passed EVEN Obama stopped using 46 million because he said
these 10 million would not be eligible for ACA...again after lying about 46 million to pass ACA.

And not one of even conservatives ever asked WHY did 14 million people Eligible for Medicaid NOT get registered? This is nearly 30% of the 46 million!
So why would we trust the same people that not only can't get 14 million people registered for Medicaid to manage 1/6th of the economy correctly?

here's the problem with your post .... for you to apply for for health care you have to have a social security number... as much as you want to believe that illegales want health care that would be the furtherest from their desires... imagine you as a illegal... and you take a social security number and you're sitting in a hospital for health care to cover your cost ... here come Ice to ask you to prove who you are ... that's why your psot is sooooooooooooo hysterical .... what person who is here illegal wants to put a big buills eye on themselves...

 

[healthmyths]

Totally agree with you!

This gigantic lie is repeated even by conservatives that don't seem to comprehend that nearly 40% of the so-called 46 million uninsured,
don't NEED (under 34 so expensive services not needed), can afford (make over $50,000) but also don't want to use their employers' health plan!
So why were they counted as "uninsured"??? To boost the number!
Then 22% of the 46 million are NOT citizens... and in fact NOW after obamacare was passed EVEN Obama stopped using 46 million because he said
these 10 million would not be eligible for ACA...again after lying about 46 million to pass ACA.

And not one of even conservatives ever asked WHY did 14 million people Eligible for Medicaid NOT get registered? This is nearly 30% of the 46 million!
So why would we trust the same people that not only can't get 14 million people registered for Medicaid to manage 1/6th of the economy correctly?

here's the problem with your post .... for you to apply for for health care you have to have a social security number... as much as you want to believe that illegales want health care that would be the furtherest from their desires... imagine you as a illegal... and you take a social security number and you're sitting in a hospital for health care to cover your cost ... here come Ice to ask you to prove who you are ... that's why your psot is sooooooooooooo hysterical .... what person who is here illegal wants to put a big buills eye on themselves...

No you don't understand...
This is what the CENSUS bureau said:
B) 10 million per the Census of the Census' inflated 46 million uninsured were not citizens.
Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
Go to the above web site. Scroll down to this table:
Table C. People Without Health Insurance Coverage (Numbers in thousands)

Look at this row:
Not a citizen 9,936,000 in 2009!
So of the 46 million the Census said were uninsured... they counted as uninsured 10 million!
That 46 million number was repeated endlessly by proponents of ACA and then AFTER it was passed they said... oh well the number is really 36 million!
Understand?????
Follow the facts not guesses!

 

[healthmyths]

I'm big enough and definitely smart enough to know I make mistakes.

After all I am not like Obama who was called a god by NewsWeek editor.

I generally though provide LINKS for any statements and I truly don't like to waste my time if I"M WRONG!

There are major points I've continued to make here but NO ONE SEEMS TO refute them!

HENCE I'm right and yet NONE of you are man enough to admit it!

Example I. There have never been 46 million Americans that wanted and could not get health insurance! LIE!
1) The Census tells us that when they counted that 46 million included were 10 million non-citizens!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
That leaves 36 million...

2) The Census agrees that they have made mistakes in the undercounting of people eligible for Medicaid.
"Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third — almost 14 million — were reachable through existing government health programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules!
In the latest Census health insurance report, the Census Bureau acknowledges that the survey “…underreports Medicare and Medicaid coverage compared with enrollment and participation data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).”

SOURCE: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

Do you understand? BEFORE ACA 14 million need ONLY enroll and they became INSURED! that leaves 22 million not 46 million

3) 18 million people fit into this category..Americans that don't want health insurance.
called "young invincibles" i.e. under 34, therefore DON'T NEED.. these 18 million can afford (make over $50k) but don't want to pay their employers'
health plan fees.

So why were 18 million that don't WANT health insurance still counted as part of the 46 million??
SOURCE: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009

That leaves 4 million that truly want and need but couldn't get insurance!
FINE let's insure them with the 10% tax on lawyers $270 billion and that provides a $5,000 policy each year for each of the 4 million truly uninsured!

Example II. The BIGGEST cost of health care is the $850 billion that doctors attest they cause because of fear of lawsuits!

"Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year. This is 26 to 34% of all US healthcare costs.
Up to 92% of US physicians practice defensive medicine.
76% of physicians report that defensive medicine decreases patient access to healthcare.
53% of physicians report delaying new techniques, procedures, and treatments due to fear of lawsuits.
Patients most affected by defensive medicine include those visiting emergency rooms and those requiring surgery.
Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.
Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
89% of physicians support a patient’s right to be compensated fairly for true negligence.

SOURCE: Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

These are two major examples of WHERE I"M RIGHT but all of you seem feckless in proving me wrong!

PLEASE if you can prove either of the two examples are grossly 100% WRONG PROVE IT!!!

its not a case of right and wrong ...its a case of you picking a blogger who has distorted every question you have asked for us liberal/dems to respond too ... your non-sence is a waste of time ... why ???? because every thing that we point out as being wrong, you will come back with a oh yeah, or call us a commie or a socialist or a marxis or some nasty remark ... that why your post is a total waste of time ... you don't really want a answwer to these question you just want to try and I mean try to make fools of us... we won't fall for that crap ... if you trully want a answer ask one question and the source of your question

"Blogger" is the Census Bureau?
that states: they counted as part of the 46 million uninsured 10 million not citizens??? Yet Congress passed ACA based on 46 million!
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf check the FACTS idiot!
Where is THAT number wrong! That leave 36 million!

Tell me where counting 14 million people as "uninsured" when the fault was the Government for not reaching out to them BEFORE ACA???
The 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) identified 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured in 2003.
Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association contracted with the Actuarial Research Corporation (ARC) to provide a detailed analysis of the uninsured identified
by the Census Bureau, which found: Nearly one-third [14.7 million] were reachable through public programs, such as Medicaid and the SCHIP program for children
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

FINALLY tell me then why it was appropriate to fool Americans after subtracting 24 million that were not legal or were eligible.. leaving 22 million to count
18 million people that DON"T WANT health insurance their EMPLOYERS' offered, can afford make over $50,000 so they can afford... why were they counted then?
CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009

Just to pump the figure up which after subtracting 18 million, 14 million, 10 million THAT LEAVES 4 million!!!

Why don't you read the links none of which are "BLOGGERS" Census ?

 

[billyerock1991]

Thanks!

Such a simple simple recognition that even now Obama agrees 10 million of the supposedly 46 million are not citizens!
Getting back to Obama's statement, he said, "Nearly 46 million Americans don't have health insurance coverage today." That is the most recent number for the U.S. Census available, but he messes it up in one way that would tend to overcount the uninsured and in another way that would tend to undercount them.

It's an overcount because it counts noncitizens. Take out the 9.7 million noncitizens and the actual number is closer to 36 million
Number of those without health insurance about 46 million | PolitiFact

But see Obama USED that number BEFORE ACA was passed... NOW he uses 36 million WHICH as pointed out FREQUENTLY includes 14 million that
were totally eligible BEFORE ACA for Medicaid!

The 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) identified 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured in 2003.
Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association contracted with the Actuarial Research Corporation (ARC) to provide a detailed analysis of the uninsured identified
by the Census Bureau, which found:
Nearly one-third [14.7 million] were reachable through public programs, such as Medicaid and the SCHIP program for children
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

That leaves 22 million NOT 46 million!!!

you haven't any actual proof that illegales are on health care ... all you have is some rignwingnutcase blogger telling you this total bull shit ... there hasn't been any actual proof telling us deifferent... tell us your source and that will pretty much say rightwingnutcase ...

 

[billyerock1991]

I'm big enough and definitely smart enough to know I make mistakes.

After all I am not like Obama who was called a god by NewsWeek editor.

I generally though provide LINKS for any statements and I truly don't like to waste my time if I"M WRONG!

There are major points I've continued to make here but NO ONE SEEMS TO refute them!

HENCE I'm right and yet NONE of you are man enough to admit it!

Example I. There have never been 46 million Americans that wanted and could not get health insurance! LIE!
1) The Census tells us that when they counted that 46 million included were 10 million non-citizens!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
That leaves 36 million...

2) The Census agrees that they have made mistakes in the undercounting of people eligible for Medicaid.
"Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third — almost 14 million — were reachable through existing government health programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules!
In the latest Census health insurance report, the Census Bureau acknowledges that the survey “…underreports Medicare and Medicaid coverage compared with enrollment and participation data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).”

SOURCE: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

Do you understand? BEFORE ACA 14 million need ONLY enroll and they became INSURED! that leaves 22 million not 46 million

3) 18 million people fit into this category..Americans that don't want health insurance.
called "young invincibles" i.e. under 34, therefore DON'T NEED.. these 18 million can afford (make over $50k) but don't want to pay their employers'
health plan fees.

So why were 18 million that don't WANT health insurance still counted as part of the 46 million??
SOURCE: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009

That leaves 4 million that truly want and need but couldn't get insurance!
FINE let's insure them with the 10% tax on lawyers $270 billion and that provides a $5,000 policy each year for each of the 4 million truly uninsured!

Example II. The BIGGEST cost of health care is the $850 billion that doctors attest they cause because of fear of lawsuits!

"Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year. This is 26 to 34% of all US healthcare costs.
Up to 92% of US physicians practice defensive medicine.
76% of physicians report that defensive medicine decreases patient access to healthcare.
53% of physicians report delaying new techniques, procedures, and treatments due to fear of lawsuits.
Patients most affected by defensive medicine include those visiting emergency rooms and those requiring surgery.
Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.
Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
89% of physicians support a patient’s right to be compensated fairly for true negligence.

SOURCE: Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

These are two major examples of WHERE I"M RIGHT but all of you seem feckless in proving me wrong!

PLEASE if you can prove either of the two examples are grossly 100% WRONG PROVE IT!!!

its not a case of right and wrong ...its a case of you picking a blogger who has distorted every question you have asked for us liberal/dems to respond too ... your non-sence is a waste of time ... why ???? because every thing that we point out as being wrong, you will come back with a oh yeah, or call us a commie or a socialist or a marxis or some nasty remark ... that why your post is a total waste of time ... you don't really want a answwer to these question you just want to try and I mean try to make fools of us... we won't fall for that crap ... if you trully want a answer ask one question and the source of your question

"Blogger" is the Census Bureau?
that states: they counted as part of the 46 million uninsured 10 million not citizens??? Yet Congress passed ACA based on 46 million!
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf check the FACTS idiot!
Where is THAT number wrong! That leave 36 million!

Tell me where counting 14 million people as "uninsured" when the fault was the Government for not reaching out to them BEFORE ACA???
The 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) identified 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured in 2003.
Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association contracted with the Actuarial Research Corporation (ARC) to provide a detailed analysis of the uninsured identified
by the Census Bureau, which found: Nearly one-third [14.7 million] were reachable through public programs, such as Medicaid and the SCHIP program for children
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

FINALLY tell me then why it was appropriate to fool Americans after subtracting 24 million that were not legal or were eligible.. leaving 22 million to count
18 million people that DON"T WANT health insurance their EMPLOYERS' offered, can afford make over $50,000 so they can afford... why were they counted then?
CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009

Just to pump the figure up which after subtracting 18 million, 14 million, 10 million THAT LEAVES 4 million!!!

Why don't you read the links none of which are "BLOGGERS" Census ?

these links are PDF files all of your PDF files come from bloggers... so when you give us your actual source of information, instead a bumch of pdf files that come from a blogger we reallty can't take your piost as being serious ... its a total partison post... that you are trying to convince us that illegals are getting health care... on our dime... they are not... that got to be the most stupidest thing any illegal could do ...

 

[billyerock1991]

I'm big enough and definitely smart enough to know I make mistakes.

After all I am not like Obama who was called a god by NewsWeek editor.

I generally though provide LINKS for any statements and I truly don't like to waste my time if I"M WRONG!

There are major points I've continued to make here but NO ONE SEEMS TO refute them!

HENCE I'm right and yet NONE of you are man enough to admit it!

Example I. There have never been 46 million Americans that wanted and could not get health insurance! LIE!
1) The Census tells us that when they counted that 46 million included were 10 million non-citizens!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
That leaves 36 million...

2) The Census agrees that they have made mistakes in the undercounting of people eligible for Medicaid.
"Of the 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured individuals identified in the 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) data,
nearly one-third — almost 14 million — were reachable through existing government health programs such as Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) under current rules!
In the latest Census health insurance report, the Census Bureau acknowledges that the survey “…underreports Medicare and Medicaid coverage compared with enrollment and participation data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).”

SOURCE: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

Do you understand? BEFORE ACA 14 million need ONLY enroll and they became INSURED! that leaves 22 million not 46 million

3) 18 million people fit into this category..Americans that don't want health insurance.
called "young invincibles" i.e. under 34, therefore DON'T NEED.. these 18 million can afford (make over $50k) but don't want to pay their employers'
health plan fees.

So why were 18 million that don't WANT health insurance still counted as part of the 46 million??
SOURCE: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009

That leaves 4 million that truly want and need but couldn't get insurance!
FINE let's insure them with the 10% tax on lawyers $270 billion and that provides a $5,000 policy each year for each of the 4 million truly uninsured!

Example II. The BIGGEST cost of health care is the $850 billion that doctors attest they cause because of fear of lawsuits!

"Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year. This is 26 to 34% of all US healthcare costs.
Up to 92% of US physicians practice defensive medicine.
76% of physicians report that defensive medicine decreases patient access to healthcare.
53% of physicians report delaying new techniques, procedures, and treatments due to fear of lawsuits.
Patients most affected by defensive medicine include those visiting emergency rooms and those requiring surgery.
Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.
Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
89% of physicians support a patient’s right to be compensated fairly for true negligence.

SOURCE: Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

These are two major examples of WHERE I"M RIGHT but all of you seem feckless in proving me wrong!

PLEASE if you can prove either of the two examples are grossly 100% WRONG PROVE IT!!!

its not a case of right and wrong ...its a case of you picking a blogger who has distorted every question you have asked for us liberal/dems to respond too ... your non-sence is a waste of time ... why ???? because every thing that we point out as being wrong, you will come back with a oh yeah, or call us a commie or a socialist or a marxis or some nasty remark ... that why your post is a total waste of time ... you don't really want a answwer to these question you just want to try and I mean try to make fools of us... we won't fall for that crap ... if you trully want a answer ask one question and the source of your question

"Blogger" is the Census Bureau?
that states: they counted as part of the 46 million uninsured 10 million not citizens??? Yet Congress passed ACA based on 46 million!
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf check the FACTS idiot!
Where is THAT number wrong! That leave 36 million!

Tell me where counting 14 million people as "uninsured" when the fault was the Government for not reaching out to them BEFORE ACA???
The 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) identified 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured in 2003.
Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association contracted with the Actuarial Research Corporation (ARC) to provide a detailed analysis of the uninsured identified
by the Census Bureau, which found: Nearly one-third [14.7 million] were reachable through public programs, such as Medicaid and the SCHIP program for children
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

FINALLY tell me then why it was appropriate to fool Americans after subtracting 24 million that were not legal or were eligible.. leaving 22 million to count
18 million people that DON"T WANT health insurance their EMPLOYERS' offered, can afford make over $50,000 so they can afford... why were they counted then?
CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009

Just to pump the figure up which after subtracting 18 million, 14 million, 10 million THAT LEAVES 4 million!!!

Why don't you read the links none of which are "BLOGGERS" Census ?

Bull Shit total bull shit

 

[healthmyths]

Thanks!

Such a simple simple recognition that even now Obama agrees 10 million of the supposedly 46 million are not citizens!
Getting back to Obama's statement, he said, "Nearly 46 million Americans don't have health insurance coverage today." That is the most recent number for the U.S. Census available, but he messes it up in one way that would tend to overcount the uninsured and in another way that would tend to undercount them.

It's an overcount because it counts noncitizens. Take out the 9.7 million noncitizens and the actual number is closer to 36 million
Number of those without health insurance about 46 million | PolitiFact

But see Obama USED that number BEFORE ACA was passed... NOW he uses 36 million WHICH as pointed out FREQUENTLY includes 14 million that
were totally eligible BEFORE ACA for Medicaid!

The 2004 Census Current Population Survey (CPS) identified 44.7 million non-elderly uninsured in 2003.
Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association contracted with the Actuarial Research Corporation (ARC) to provide a detailed analysis of the uninsured identified
by the Census Bureau, which found:
Nearly one-third [14.7 million] were reachable through public programs, such as Medicaid and the SCHIP program for children
http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

That leaves 22 million NOT 46 million!!!

you haven't any actual proof that illegales are on health care ... all you have is some rignwingnutcase bolgger telling you this total bull shit ... there hasn't been any actual proof telling us deifferent... tell us your source and that will pretty much say rightwingnutcase ...

GEEZ are you f...king BLIND???
THE Census Bureau! BLOGGER???
PLEASE don't portray yourself so stupid as to say the Census Bureau that says:
10 million per the Census of the Census' inflated 46 million uninsured were not citizens.
A) Go to this Census site: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
B) Scroll down to Table C. People Without Health Insurance Coverage (Numbers in thousands)
C) Scroll down to where it shows: Not a citizen in 2009 -- 9,936,000!

Once you see the Census Says they counted among the 46 million they say are uninsured ... 10 million not a citizen! That's the problem!
Because Obama SAID:I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. "
Obama used 46 million Americans... "Not a citizen" is NOT an American!
President Obama said it in August 2009: “I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.”
He said it dozens more times, including in June 2013: “We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children.”
He continues on with the 46 million theme for a bit, mentioning the creation of Obamacare to solve the “problem”, moving towards

 

[Pogo]

BUT ----

Do you have any data on which hand they wipe their ass with?

SMH

 

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FREEDOM EDEN: Obama: 30 Million Uninsured, 47 Million?

Here is one poster that saw Obama reduced his numbers dramatically. He later admitted it was because he took the number of estimated illegals out.

This is from factcheck.....

Thirty Million Uninsured

Which is pretty much what the OP is saying.