College vs. Vocations or The Modern Work Ethic.

[Mr Natural]

Can't go two seconds without some stupid, hyper-partisan bullshit, huh? Brainless drone

It's a political message board. What did you expect to find?

Asshole.

 

[Unkotare]

Can't go two seconds without some stupid, hyper-partisan bullshit, huh? Brainless drone

It's a political message board. What did you expect to find? ....

Maybe a thinking adult here and there instead of an endless army of BRAINLESS bobblehead buffoons like you being predictable, pointless douchebags?

 

[Zander]

Can't go two seconds without some stupid, hyper-partisan bullshit, huh? Brainless drone

It's a political message board. What did you expect to find? ....

Maybe a thinking adult here and there instead of an endless army of BRAINLESS bobblehead buffoons like you being predictable, pointless douchebags?

Please continue acting the "adult" while sporting a user name that means "dripping shit"....

 

[frigidweirdo]

One of my FB friends I'm going to get to know real well in my next career move. He's the driver rep for Trailways of New York and we got into a discussion over modern attitudes towards so-called "manual" jobs. I think that it's unfortunate that jobs like passenger/freight transportation, building trades, etc. are looked down upon if not outright sneered at by our "educated" elites. Now don't get me wrong, college is there for specific fields of study that require it, but not everyone, no matter how smart they may have been in K-12 schooling, is "college material" (yours truly included). Their passions may lie elsewhere. Which is why I don't think college should be "encouraged" (re: forced) upon our children unless their passion/desire/life goals require it directly. For example, if my daughter wants to follow in the "family biz" and become a driver herself? By all means I will encourage it and perhaps mentor her directly. But if college is in her sights? Then by all means I will encourage that also. /rant

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

 

[Unkotare]

Can't go two seconds without some stupid, hyper-partisan bullshit, huh? Brainless drone

It's a political message board. What did you expect to find? ....

Maybe a thinking adult here and there instead of an endless army of BRAINLESS bobblehead buffoons like you being predictable, pointless douchebags?

Please continue acting the "adult" while sporting a user name that means "dripping shit"....

Your ignorance is not my problem.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So if you solve the problem what will happen to all of the unemployed college educators? It is just so funny that millions of people with college degrees can't figure out Planned Obsolescence in cars half-a-century after the Moon landing.

The Laws of Physics do not change style every year?!? Shocking!

psik

I think the educator's Union will cut a new deal for them with the government, on your taxes, of course.

What "educator's union"? The one that doesn't exist?

 

[anotherlife]

One of my FB friends I'm going to get to know real well in my next career move. He's the driver rep for Trailways of New York and we got into a discussion over modern attitudes towards so-called "manual" jobs. I think that it's unfortunate that jobs like passenger/freight transportation, building trades, etc. are looked down upon if not outright sneered at by our "educated" elites. Now don't get me wrong, college is there for specific fields of study that require it, but not everyone, no matter how smart they may have been in K-12 schooling, is "college material" (yours truly included). Their passions may lie elsewhere. Which is why I don't think college should be "encouraged" (re: forced) upon our children unless their passion/desire/life goals require it directly. For example, if my daughter wants to follow in the "family biz" and become a driver herself? By all means I will encourage it and perhaps mentor her directly. But if college is in her sights? Then by all means I will encourage that also. /rant

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

 

[anotherlife]

So if you solve the problem what will happen to all of the unemployed college educators? It is just so funny that millions of people with college degrees can't figure out Planned Obsolescence in cars half-a-century after the Moon landing.

The Laws of Physics do not change style every year?!? Shocking!

psik

I think the educator's Union will cut a new deal for them with the government, on your taxes, of course.

What "educator's union"? The one that doesn't exist?

Okay. They have a few unions. Every profession that is mostly within the government or directly subcontracted to the government does.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So if you solve the problem what will happen to all of the unemployed college educators? It is just so funny that millions of people with college degrees can't figure out Planned Obsolescence in cars half-a-century after the Moon landing.

The Laws of Physics do not change style every year?!? Shocking!

psik

I think the educator's Union will cut a new deal for them with the government, on your taxes, of course.

What "educator's union"? The one that doesn't exist?

Okay. They have a few unions. Every profession that is mostly within the government or directly subcontracted to the government does.

Most professors do not belong to unions.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

One of my FB friends I'm going to get to know real well in my next career move. He's the driver rep for Trailways of New York and we got into a discussion over modern attitudes towards so-called "manual" jobs. I think that it's unfortunate that jobs like passenger/freight transportation, building trades, etc. are looked down upon if not outright sneered at by our "educated" elites. Now don't get me wrong, college is there for specific fields of study that require it, but not everyone, no matter how smart they may have been in K-12 schooling, is "college material" (yours truly included). Their passions may lie elsewhere. Which is why I don't think college should be "encouraged" (re: forced) upon our children unless their passion/desire/life goals require it directly. For example, if my daughter wants to follow in the "family biz" and become a driver herself? By all means I will encourage it and perhaps mentor her directly. But if college is in her sights? Then by all means I will encourage that also. /rant

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Oh, but if that were only true! Spend any time with a high school student recently? I am betting you haven't.

 

[frigidweirdo]

One of my FB friends I'm going to get to know real well in my next career move. He's the driver rep for Trailways of New York and we got into a discussion over modern attitudes towards so-called "manual" jobs. I think that it's unfortunate that jobs like passenger/freight transportation, building trades, etc. are looked down upon if not outright sneered at by our "educated" elites. Now don't get me wrong, college is there for specific fields of study that require it, but not everyone, no matter how smart they may have been in K-12 schooling, is "college material" (yours truly included). Their passions may lie elsewhere. Which is why I don't think college should be "encouraged" (re: forced) upon our children unless their passion/desire/life goals require it directly. For example, if my daughter wants to follow in the "family biz" and become a driver herself? By all means I will encourage it and perhaps mentor her directly. But if college is in her sights? Then by all means I will encourage that also. /rant

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Sure, but then this is about the people taking back control of their govt. Right now the people are lying on their backs and letting their stomachs be scratched by the rich.

 

[frigidweirdo]

One of my FB friends I'm going to get to know real well in my next career move. He's the driver rep for Trailways of New York and we got into a discussion over modern attitudes towards so-called "manual" jobs. I think that it's unfortunate that jobs like passenger/freight transportation, building trades, etc. are looked down upon if not outright sneered at by our "educated" elites. Now don't get me wrong, college is there for specific fields of study that require it, but not everyone, no matter how smart they may have been in K-12 schooling, is "college material" (yours truly included). Their passions may lie elsewhere. Which is why I don't think college should be "encouraged" (re: forced) upon our children unless their passion/desire/life goals require it directly. For example, if my daughter wants to follow in the "family biz" and become a driver herself? By all means I will encourage it and perhaps mentor her directly. But if college is in her sights? Then by all means I will encourage that also. /rant

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Oh, but if that were only true! Spend any time with a high school student recently? I am betting you haven't.

Well, actually I have, and actually it's true. Kids go to these people offering advice, and then they go try and do this. I went to one interview once without knowing how to do the interview. I was asked "give me an example of a time when you showed xxxxxx", I didn't get the job. Why? Well because I didn't answer the questions in the manner that is required. The interviewer has expectations of what the answer should be, and it's based on the very same stuff the kids are told. So, when both are playing the game, that is the game. You either do it, or you don't get the job.

 

[anotherlife]

One of my FB friends I'm going to get to know real well in my next career move. He's the driver rep for Trailways of New York and we got into a discussion over modern attitudes towards so-called "manual" jobs. I think that it's unfortunate that jobs like passenger/freight transportation, building trades, etc. are looked down upon if not outright sneered at by our "educated" elites. Now don't get me wrong, college is there for specific fields of study that require it, but not everyone, no matter how smart they may have been in K-12 schooling, is "college material" (yours truly included). Their passions may lie elsewhere. Which is why I don't think college should be "encouraged" (re: forced) upon our children unless their passion/desire/life goals require it directly. For example, if my daughter wants to follow in the "family biz" and become a driver herself? By all means I will encourage it and perhaps mentor her directly. But if college is in her sights? Then by all means I will encourage that also. /rant

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Oh, but if that were only true! Spend any time with a high school student recently? I am betting you haven't.

I am just off high school. Contrary to your belief, not all of us want a career in pharmaceutical sales, hehehe.

 

[anotherlife]

One of my FB friends I'm going to get to know real well in my next career move. He's the driver rep for Trailways of New York and we got into a discussion over modern attitudes towards so-called "manual" jobs. I think that it's unfortunate that jobs like passenger/freight transportation, building trades, etc. are looked down upon if not outright sneered at by our "educated" elites. Now don't get me wrong, college is there for specific fields of study that require it, but not everyone, no matter how smart they may have been in K-12 schooling, is "college material" (yours truly included). Their passions may lie elsewhere. Which is why I don't think college should be "encouraged" (re: forced) upon our children unless their passion/desire/life goals require it directly. For example, if my daughter wants to follow in the "family biz" and become a driver herself? By all means I will encourage it and perhaps mentor her directly. But if college is in her sights? Then by all means I will encourage that also. /rant

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Sure, but then this is about the people taking back control of their govt. Right now the people are lying on their backs and letting their stomachs be scratched by the rich.

One of my FB friends I'm going to get to know real well in my next career move. He's the driver rep for Trailways of New York and we got into a discussion over modern attitudes towards so-called "manual" jobs. I think that it's unfortunate that jobs like passenger/freight transportation, building trades, etc. are looked down upon if not outright sneered at by our "educated" elites. Now don't get me wrong, college is there for specific fields of study that require it, but not everyone, no matter how smart they may have been in K-12 schooling, is "college material" (yours truly included). Their passions may lie elsewhere. Which is why I don't think college should be "encouraged" (re: forced) upon our children unless their passion/desire/life goals require it directly. For example, if my daughter wants to follow in the "family biz" and become a driver herself? By all means I will encourage it and perhaps mentor her directly. But if college is in her sights? Then by all means I will encourage that also. /rant

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Sure, but then this is about the people taking back control of their govt. Right now the people are lying on their backs and letting their stomachs be scratched by the rich.

One of my FB friends I'm going to get to know real well in my next career move. He's the driver rep for Trailways of New York and we got into a discussion over modern attitudes towards so-called "manual" jobs. I think that it's unfortunate that jobs like passenger/freight transportation, building trades, etc. are looked down upon if not outright sneered at by our "educated" elites. Now don't get me wrong, college is there for specific fields of study that require it, but not everyone, no matter how smart they may have been in K-12 schooling, is "college material" (yours truly included). Their passions may lie elsewhere. Which is why I don't think college should be "encouraged" (re: forced) upon our children unless their passion/desire/life goals require it directly. For example, if my daughter wants to follow in the "family biz" and become a driver herself? By all means I will encourage it and perhaps mentor her directly. But if college is in her sights? Then by all means I will encourage that also. /rant

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Sure, but then this is about the people taking back control of their govt. Right now the people are lying on their backs and letting their stomachs be scratched by the rich.

People can't take control over the government, I think. In school there is a lot of emphasis on revolutionary this and that. But I think that is all just mind control. Every revolution is only some old slaves making new masters and new masters making new slaves. Teachers don't want to know this. But I think it is now harder than in 1789, because now we don't even have a king whose name people would know. Schools destroy knowledge on purpose. If you can follow the money, then you get some answers, but even that takes only so far before your head goes in the bucket. The people are dead and schools must die too, some privileged people like I who can understand advance maths like network theory and network economy, can play the game, but it cannot be open for large masses or you just go around in circles.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Funny,

We're the most hard worked nation in the entire western world and you don't think we're worked hard enough??? lol, lol, lol Seriously, College is the best way to go if you have the brains as becoming a doctor, scientist, or real thinker is more needed then fruit picker.

FYI the trades are SKILLED labor
Fruit pickers are UNSKILLED labor

so tell me if everyone is a Dr or a Lawyer who is going to build you house for you when you can finally afford one that is?

there are millions of people out there with college degrees that are serving coffee and waiting tables because we don't need another person with a psych degree where I know a dozen or more tradesmen that make well over 100K a year

do you make that slinging coffee at Starfucks?

 

[Unkotare]

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Sure, but then this is about the people taking back control of their govt. Right now the people are lying on their backs and letting their stomachs be scratched by the rich.

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Sure, but then this is about the people taking back control of their govt. Right now the people are lying on their backs and letting their stomachs be scratched by the rich.

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Sure, but then this is about the people taking back control of their govt. Right now the people are lying on their backs and letting their stomachs be scratched by the rich.

People can't take control over the government, I think. In school there is a lot of emphasis on revolutionary this and that. But I think that is all just mind control. Every revolution is only some old slaves making new masters and new masters making new slaves. Teachers don't want to know this. But I think it is now harder than in 1789, because now we don't even have a king whose name people would know. Schools destroy knowledge on purpose. If you can follow the money, then you get some answers, but even that takes only so far before your head goes in the bucket. The people are dead and schools must die too, some privileged people like I who can understand advance maths like network theory and network economy, can play the game, but it cannot be open for large masses or you just go around in circles.

This is your brain on drugs...^^^^^

 

[frigidweirdo]

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Sure, but then this is about the people taking back control of their govt. Right now the people are lying on their backs and letting their stomachs be scratched by the rich.

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Sure, but then this is about the people taking back control of their govt. Right now the people are lying on their backs and letting their stomachs be scratched by the rich.

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Sure, but then this is about the people taking back control of their govt. Right now the people are lying on their backs and letting their stomachs be scratched by the rich.

People can't take control over the government, I think. In school there is a lot of emphasis on revolutionary this and that. But I think that is all just mind control. Every revolution is only some old slaves making new masters and new masters making new slaves. Teachers don't want to know this. But I think it is now harder than in 1789, because now we don't even have a king whose name people would know. Schools destroy knowledge on purpose. If you can follow the money, then you get some answers, but even that takes only so far before your head goes in the bucket. The people are dead and schools must die too, some privileged people like I who can understand advance maths like network theory and network economy, can play the game, but it cannot be open for large masses or you just go around in circles.

Well, the world is more open that it has been, and it can get better, it's a matter of making a system that does work in the manner you want it to work. It's not easy because humans are selfish, and therefore many of those who become politicians do so for their own selfish reasons and will try and take everything they can from the system. However Switzerland has an executive that isn't made up of one person, but 7, this sort of thing can curtail the selfishness of one person.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The point of education is to make sure the country has the skills needed to do the jobs it feels the country needs. So yes, many kids go through school and it's a complete waste of time for them, totally irrelevant to the world outside. College is needed and there are skills that are learned by the more academic of people that can be useful, but for many, it's a waste of time.

In Austria, Germany and other countries they have technical schools which teach the skills needed for their profession, alongside other more traditional skills which may also be needed for a variety of reasons, but are done in a manner that's more relevant.

Kids need to learn the skills to do a job, or various jobs, as the job market never really stands still, but also how to be good adults, good parents, good partners, good people in general.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Oh, but if that were only true! Spend any time with a high school student recently? I am betting you haven't.

I am just off high school. Contrary to your belief, not all of us want a career in pharmaceutical sales, hehehe.

I have taught in middle and high schools for over 20 years. Getting a student to even discuss employment after high school is like pulling teeth.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Funny,

We're the most hard worked nation in the entire western world and you don't think we're worked hard enough??? lol, lol, lol Seriously, College is the best way to go if you have the brains as becoming a doctor, scientist, or real thinker is more needed then fruit picker.

FYI the trades are SKILLED labor
Fruit pickers are UNSKILLED labor

so tell me if everyone is a Dr or a Lawyer who is going to build you house for you when you can finally afford one that is?

there are millions of people out there with college degrees that are serving coffee and waiting tables because we don't need another person with a psych degree where I know a dozen or more tradesmen that make well over 100K a year

do you make that slinging coffee at Starfucks?

He still collects an allowance if he keeps his room clean.

 

[anotherlife]

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Sure, but then this is about the people taking back control of their govt. Right now the people are lying on their backs and letting their stomachs be scratched by the rich.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Sure, but then this is about the people taking back control of their govt. Right now the people are lying on their backs and letting their stomachs be scratched by the rich.

Human resources departments will fight against your view forever.

I'm not sure this is about HR, it's more about politicians.

I think that all the above has an effect, but by far the greatest effect is by HR and related school counseling and career counseling. This is because every student listens to how to get a job even if they listen to nothing else. Politicians are way down the priority ladder there. And HR represents the corporate interest which is almost entirely against the interest of individuals, so individuals will not become "good adults good parents good partners good people in general" as stated in your post above. They will become good and disposable fighting machines against themselves and against everything. A western democracy has never been successful in balancing these.

Sure, but then this is about the people taking back control of their govt. Right now the people are lying on their backs and letting their stomachs be scratched by the rich.

People can't take control over the government, I think. In school there is a lot of emphasis on revolutionary this and that. But I think that is all just mind control. Every revolution is only some old slaves making new masters and new masters making new slaves. Teachers don't want to know this. But I think it is now harder than in 1789, because now we don't even have a king whose name people would know. Schools destroy knowledge on purpose. If you can follow the money, then you get some answers, but even that takes only so far before your head goes in the bucket. The people are dead and schools must die too, some privileged people like I who can understand advance maths like network theory and network economy, can play the game, but it cannot be open for large masses or you just go around in circles.

Well, the world is more open that it has been, and it can get better, it's a matter of making a system that does work in the manner you want it to work. It's not easy because humans are selfish, and therefore many of those who become politicians do so for their own selfish reasons and will try and take everything they can from the system. However Switzerland has an executive that isn't made up of one person, but 7, this sort of thing can curtail the selfishness of one person.

This is very interesting. Also, the old republic of Venice had a fairly resilient system, as well as some others like the ancient Hungarians and hunnic tribes. I have been thinking about this since economy applications of mathematical modeling is a subject that I am interested in, and I found, that all these systems are still heavily protected by the "friction" forces that come from inefficient connections and inefficient capitalization and inefficient globalization.

However such inefficiencies have an exponential trend to diminish. It looks like that a designed system, if such is possible, needs to incorporate the individual player bias. It ends up like a networked oscillator array model, little understood, but accounts for the transitional effects of greed or other consolidations, without trying to slow them down. With such an approach, we can even put back on the map, all those groups that were exterminated physically and/or mentally through "education".

In either ways, the biggest challenge is, how to keep the playing field open for all individuals, the entire general public of all countries. It has already come out mathematically, that limiting the totalitarian forces is not a solution, because you can't stop the existing oscillators, I.e. the self driving processes of consolidations. Even chaos has proven itself to produce a totalitarian power structure. A school curriculum and it's finance structure must account for that.