Co-equal Branches of Government

[Procrustes Stretched]

The Pres nominates whoever he wishes. The Senate votes on the nominee. The Pres, like Trump can be elected by a minority of voters thanks to the EC. The Senate can also be unrepresentative of voters since states with a small population have as many Senators as larger states. Rule by a minority is a recipe for discontent.

I've always disagreed with the notion that "The Senate can also be unrepresentative of voters since states with a small population have as many Senators as larger states." We don't have a direct/popular democratic system. We have a representative one. And the states did not give up everything in order to preserve a union. We are one people, but states have their own say, as states. The US House is more representative of the people as a whole, but the people are seriously confused in this nation.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Or maybe you are a Hillary Clinton pseudo-metaphysics type with her 3 core stupid ideas
1)Every problemhas a Perfect Solution
2) People don't matter,just set up the no-fail perfect government and it goes by itself
3) It is not possible that under the best circumstances people won't act right.

3 seems to me proof of moral cancer but I cannot judge.

spread your hateful screeds elsewhere

 

[alang1216]

I've always disagreed with the notion that "The Senate can also be unrepresentative of voters since states with a small population have as many Senators as larger states." We don't have a direct/popular democratic system. We have a representative one.

There is no free lunch. Our government represents some more effectively than others.

And the states did not give up everything in order to preserve a union.

The big states gave up a lot more than they got. That disparity has grown larger over time.

We are one people, but states have their own say, as states.

As they should but it seems like some states have a large say in what other states can do.

The US House is more representative of the people as a whole, but the people are seriously confused in this nation.

On that we agree.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

There is no free lunch. Our government represents some more effectively than others.


The big states gave up a lot more than they got. That disparity has grown larger over time.


As they should but it seems like some states have a large say in what other states can do.


On that we agree.

The states as entities, have equal say. People keep getting stuck on populations in matters where it's state vs state. Leaving out transient populations, all states are created equal. States have sovereignty and their very own constitutions. The original states agreed to a federal government, ceding some powers, but not all in order to form a union.

No state has a smaller or larger say in anything that is based on things affecting the national government - amendments.

 

[alang1216]

The states as entities, have equal say. People keep getting stuck on populations in matters where it's state vs state. Leaving out transient populations, all states are created equal. States have sovereignty and their very own constitutions. The original states agreed to a federal government, ceding some powers, but not all in order to form a union.

No state has a smaller or larger say in anything that is based on things affecting the national government - amendments.

That is certainly how we started 250 years ago but we are not the same country as we once were. The 39 million Californians have the same say in the Senate as the 600,000 in Wyoming. Wyoming also has disproportionate representation in the House and Electoral College.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

That is certainly how we started 250 years ago but we are not the same country as we once were. The 39 million Californians have the same say in the Senate as the 600,000 in Wyoming. Wyoming also has disproportionate representation in the House and Electoral College.

We are the same country. As they should, equal as states, not population. Representation in the US House (congressional districts), is based on ... population. The electoral college vote is a representative democracy things that only addresses the election of a president.

 

[alang1216]

We are the same country. As they should, equal as states, not population. Representation in the US House (congressional districts), is based on ... population. The electoral college vote is a representative democracy things that only addresses the election of a president.

Got it, we're a country of states NOT of people.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Got it, we're a country of states NOT of people.

Unlike people, the states have sovereignty. Unless of course one is a crazed believer in individual sovereignty.

Lighten up, I'm just a stickler for the facts when it comes to government. You did not refute anything with facts.

The Senate is the deliberative body. Senators are elected in their home states, sent to DC to represent their state's interests. To suggest 39 million Californians have the same say in the Senate as the 600,000 in Wyoming is inherently wrong. The House is where citizens get representation based on populations. California has 52 Congressional districts -- Wyoming has - 1

 

[alang1216]

Unlike people, the states have sovereignty. Unless of course one is a crazed believer in individual sovereignty.

Lighten up, I'm just a stickler for the facts when it comes to government. You did not refute anything with facts.

The Senate is the deliberative body. Senators are elected in their home states, sent to DC to represent their state's interests. To suggest 39 million Californians have the same say in the Senate as the 600,000 in Wyoming is inherently wrong. The House is where citizens get representation based on populations. California has 52 Congressional districts -- Wyoming has - 1

The average for CA is 750,000/district. In Wyoming it is <600,000/district. CA should have 65 districts for equity.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The average for CA is 750,000/district. In Wyoming it is <600,000/district. CA should have 65 districts for equity.

You are arguing bs.. sorry

 

[alang1216]

You are arguing bs.. sorry

The numbers are accurate and, I think, getting more and more skewed with time. Change will have to come eventually.

 

[Libby von H]

How does this work?

What aspects are calculated to balance the branches?

How do we analyze the control settings?

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It isn't co-equal , The Constitution is Supreme over every branch.And members of every branch take the oath to uphold it. Constitutioni it is their view of what that means that supports each branch.We owe this wonderful result to Lincoln

 

[Libby von H]

Alexander Hamilton thought "Dividing the government into three segments would provide checks and balances to prevent any one branch from becoming too powerful, and Hamilton also believed that by working together, the three different branches could centralize their power over the states. 1"

The Presidency held the executive power, the Congress the financial power, and the SCOTUS the power to review and control excesses through the courts by its inherent power of judicial review. The latter has been a real bone in the throat at times for the other two branches.

The Federalist writings , as is well-known except to you, defended things its authors did not personally accept but for the sake of promoting the Constitution they wrote in support of.

FEDERALIST 71
The same rule, which teaches the propriety of a partition between the various branches of power, teaches us likewise that this partition ought to be so contrived as to render the one independent of the other. To what purpose separate the executive, or the judiciary, from the legislative, if both the executive and the judiciary are so constituted as to be at the absolute devotion of the legislative? Such a separation must be merely nominal and incapable of producing the ends for which it was established. It is one thing to be subordinate to the laws, and another to be dependent on the legislative body. The first comports with, the last violates, the fundamental principles of good government; and whatever may be the forms of the Constitution, unites all power in the same hands. The tendency of the legislative authority to absorb every other, has been fully displayed

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The tendency of the legislative authority to absorb every other, has been fully displayed "

 

[Libby von H]

That means the checks and balances do not work - genius!

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NO, it means you don't realize what was BEHIND IT IN THE FIRST PLACE


In his Farewell Address of September 1796, Washington called religion, as the source of morality, "a necessary spring of popular government,"

while Adams claimed that statesmen "may plan and speculate for Liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand."