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Right...because the tyranny of the minority is a great thing. Just look at Wisconsin...the Republicans won!...so they should get to be able to pass the laws they want, even if they are the majority. Do you think that situation is an example of the tyranny of the masses?
All true, of course liberals have their own brand of vitriol as well; I suppose it just shows how extremists have come to dominate the discussion on a national level.
You know, I have a funny little theory. If we could have a perfect democracy with totally free speech and zero partisanship where everyone has a chance to be heard and be given due consideration, then valuable and intelligent opinions and policies would be elevated while less valuable ones shrink to obscurity. The end result would be the cumulative intelligence of the entire nation becomes equal to the combined intelligence of every citizen; the result would be government would work well and the nation would prosper endlessly.
This is, of course, and unattainable perfect ideal. But while it may be impossible to attain a truly perfect democracy, we should always strive to because the closer we can come the more the country will benefit as a result.
Democracy (I.E. tyranny of the masses, unchecked) is a perfect ideal?? Nah... I'll stick with a constitutional republic over that, every time
I'll reserve judgment until I see you critical of liberal policy. Until then, if it quacks like a duck......
Actually Im neither liberal nor conservative, Im a registered independent and my opinions reflect that. Im not offended though, I have noticed some people are quick to label one as the opposition the moment ones opinions disagree with their own.
I have been known to criticize or support policies from either side, and Im often labeled as a conservative when I disagree with liberal policies and a liberal when I disagree with conservatives. I suppose its just par for the course anytime one engages in political discussions.
The health care law commonly referred too as Obama care is an area I can certainly criticize.This Health care law is a excellent example of democrats being simply wrong and deserving of criticism.
When President Obama was running for office what he promised us was Universal health care. I (like most everyone else) took this to mean a British type health care system where the sick simply walk into a doctors office or hospital and receive treatment.
What we got once he was elected was mandatory health insurance, a bill designed to hand millions of new customers to the health insurance corporations. This Health care law does NOTHING to reform the brutal health care system, but instead forces working class people (under threat of monetary penalty, and possibly worse) to buy health insurance they cannot afford. Furthermore the people deciding if said working class people can afford said insurance will be the heartless, overpaid, and under worked bureaucrats that work for the IRS, not the working people who have to balance their own budget and pay the bills.
Several times now I have heard the left try to justify this law by comparing it to mandatory auto insurance (in fact they have used some vary tricky word-plays to try and justify that position), however this is not a valid analogy. The simple fact is you have a choice in whether or not you own or operate a motor vehicle, that choice is usually made based on whether or not one can afford the cost and the mandatory insurance is the most significant part of that cost. Since liberals havent seemed to notice, there are allot of people who ride the bus because they cant afford a car.
Unlike a car, people dont have a choice in whether or not they live. To try and force people to pay for insanely expense health insurance that they clearly cant afford is even more cruel and heartless than taking away the basic minimum state health care that has been keeping some people alive.
There is no mistaking that washington liberals have betrayed working class americans this time, in fact they have out right cut our throughts for the sake of money from the health insurance lobby and thats a fundamental betrayal of every working class person who voted for them.
I just read an opinion on cnn.com I would like to share. Are Republicans at war with reality?
Its a fairly enjoyable read mostly about the policies expressed by the G.O.P. hopefuls during Thursdays debate. There is one small point I would disagree with the author on however. Are Republicans at war with reality? - CNN.com
In the op/ed, John Avlon writes: The lowest moment for responsible governance occurred when all the candidates on stage raised their hands to say that they would reject a 10-to-1 spending cut to tax hike split as a deal to reduce the deficit. That is a sign of a party that is being held intellectually captive by its most extreme activist elements.
Frankly I think everyone should be clear on this one point if nothing else, conservatives (both republican and teaparty) are being held intellectually captive by their billionaire puppet masters and the corporations who buy and sell politicians in Washington like cattle at a meat market. They didnt care what the American people thought; I doubt they care what some activists think either (that is as long as fox news can keep conning people into voting for them).
I think when we sit here and pretend like conservative fiscal policies arent written by and handed down to them from the Koch brothers and other like minded top earners, it lends both conservatives and their ludicrous economic policies legitimacy they do not deserve.
What economic policies of conservatives do you find "ludicrous"?
Now that is a reasonable post.
Specifically I think its incredible foolish to cut taxes when the country is running a minor budget surplus and then increase military spending dramatically so the country returns to an enormous deficit when the economy is strong, run that deficit for a decade, then when the economy is weak demand huge spending cuts while insisting on doing nothing to increase revenues.
The fact is the Bush administration should have maintained the budget surplus, but now that its too late we should at least wait until the economy is strong again to demand budget cuts. Furthermore, I think we should close some tax loopholes to require some of the 66% of corporations that pay no taxes, to pay some.
Do you think the laws Governor Walker signed into law represent a "tyranny of the masses"?Right...because the tyranny of the minority is a great thing. Just look at Wisconsin...the Republicans won!...so they should get to be able to pass the laws they want, even if they are the majority. Do you think that situation is an example of the tyranny of the masses?Democracy (I.E. tyranny of the masses, unchecked) is a perfect ideal?? Nah... I'll stick with a constitutional republic over that, every time
A constitutional republic is 'tyranny of the minority'?
That is fucking RICH!!!
You see.... in a constitutional republic, laws, and the checks and balances of those laws, are governed by the constitution itself... the thing that gives the government its power, or the limitations thereof
I just read an opinion on cnn.com I would like to share. Are Republicans at war with reality?
Its a fairly enjoyable read mostly about the policies expressed by the G.O.P. hopefuls during Thursdays debate. There is one small point I would disagree with the author on however. Are Republicans at war with reality? - CNN.com
In the op/ed, John Avlon writes: The lowest moment for responsible governance occurred when all the candidates on stage raised their hands to say that they would reject a 10-to-1 spending cut to tax hike split as a deal to reduce the deficit. That is a sign of a party that is being held intellectually captive by its most extreme activist elements.
Frankly I think everyone should be clear on this one point if nothing else, conservatives (both republican and teaparty) are being held intellectually captive by their billionaire puppet masters and the corporations who buy and sell politicians in Washington like cattle at a meat market. They didnt care what the American people thought; I doubt they care what some activists think either (that is as long as fox news can keep conning people into voting for them).
I think when we sit here and pretend like conservative fiscal policies arent written by and handed down to them from the Koch brothers and other like minded top earners, it lends both conservatives and their ludicrous economic policies legitimacy they do not deserve.
Right...because the tyranny of the minority is a great thing. Just look at Wisconsin...the Republicans won!...so they should get to be able to pass the laws they want, even if they are the majority. Do you think that situation is an example of the tyranny of the masses?
All true, of course liberals have their own brand of vitriol as well; I suppose it just shows how extremists have come to dominate the discussion on a national level.
You know, I have a funny little theory. If we could have a perfect democracy with totally free speech and zero partisanship where everyone has a chance to be heard and be given due consideration, then valuable and intelligent opinions and policies would be elevated while less valuable ones shrink to obscurity. The end result would be the cumulative intelligence of the entire nation becomes equal to the combined intelligence of every citizen; the result would be government would work well and the nation would prosper endlessly.
This is, of course, and unattainable perfect ideal. But while it may be impossible to attain a truly perfect democracy, we should always strive to because the closer we can come the more the country will benefit as a result.
Democracy (I.E. tyranny of the masses, unchecked) is a perfect ideal?? Nah... I'll stick with a constitutional republic over that, every time
I'll reserve judgment until I see you critical of liberal policy. Until then, if it quacks like a duck......
Actually Im neither liberal nor conservative, Im a registered independent and my opinions reflect that. Im not offended though, I have noticed some people are quick to label one as the opposition the moment ones opinions disagree with their own.
I have been known to criticize or support policies from either side, and Im often labeled as a conservative when I disagree with liberal policies and a liberal when I disagree with conservatives. I suppose its just par for the course anytime one engages in political discussions.
The health care law commonly referred too as Obama care is an area I can certainly criticize.This Health care law is a excellent example of democrats being simply wrong and deserving of criticism.
When President Obama was running for office what he promised us was Universal health care. I (like most everyone else) took this to mean a British type health care system where the sick simply walk into a doctors office or hospital and receive treatment.
What we got once he was elected was mandatory health insurance, a bill designed to hand millions of new customers to the health insurance corporations. This Health care law does NOTHING to reform the brutal health care system, but instead forces working class people (under threat of monetary penalty, and possibly worse) to buy health insurance they cannot afford. Furthermore the people deciding if said working class people can afford said insurance will be the heartless, overpaid, and under worked bureaucrats that work for the IRS, not the working people who have to balance their own budget and pay the bills.
Several times now I have heard the left try to justify this law by comparing it to mandatory auto insurance (in fact they have used some vary tricky word-plays to try and justify that position), however this is not a valid analogy. The simple fact is you have a choice in whether or not you own or operate a motor vehicle, that choice is usually made based on whether or not one can afford the cost and the mandatory insurance is the most significant part of that cost. Since liberals havent seemed to notice, there are allot of people who ride the bus because they cant afford a car.
Unlike a car, people dont have a choice in whether or not they live. To try and force people to pay for insanely expense health insurance that they clearly cant afford is even more cruel and heartless than taking away the basic minimum state health care that has been keeping some people alive.
There is no mistaking that washington liberals have betrayed working class americans this time, in fact they have out right cut our throughts for the sake of money from the health insurance lobby and thats a fundamental betrayal of every working class person who voted for them.
I just read an opinion on cnn.com I would like to share. Are Republicans at war with reality?
Its a fairly enjoyable read mostly about the policies expressed by the G.O.P. hopefuls during Thursdays debate. There is one small point I would disagree with the author on however. Are Republicans at war with reality? - CNN.com
In the op/ed, John Avlon writes: The lowest moment for responsible governance occurred when all the candidates on stage raised their hands to say that they would reject a 10-to-1 spending cut to tax hike split as a deal to reduce the deficit. That is a sign of a party that is being held intellectually captive by its most extreme activist elements.
Frankly I think everyone should be clear on this one point if nothing else, conservatives (both republican and teaparty) are being held intellectually captive by their billionaire puppet masters and the corporations who buy and sell politicians in Washington like cattle at a meat market. They didnt care what the American people thought; I doubt they care what some activists think either (that is as long as fox news can keep conning people into voting for them).
I think when we sit here and pretend like conservative fiscal policies arent written by and handed down to them from the Koch brothers and other like minded top earners, it lends both conservatives and their ludicrous economic policies legitimacy they do not deserve.
What economic policies of conservatives do you find "ludicrous"?
Now that is a reasonable post.
Specifically I think its incredible foolish to cut taxes when the country is running a minor budget surplus and then increase military spending dramatically so the country returns to an enormous deficit when the economy is strong, run that deficit for a decade, then when the economy is weak demand huge spending cuts while insisting on doing nothing to increase revenues.
The fact is the Bush administration should have maintained the budget surplus, but now that its too late we should at least wait until the economy is strong again to demand budget cuts. Furthermore, I think we should close some tax loopholes to require some of the 66% of corporations that pay no taxes, to pay some.
I'm straying from the OP now...but I agree....and do you think the Healthcare Reform law was the tyranny of the masses?Right...because the tyranny of the minority is a great thing. Just look at Wisconsin...the Republicans won!...so they should get to be able to pass the laws they want, even if they are the majority. Do you think that situation is an example of the tyranny of the masses?Democracy (I.E. tyranny of the masses, unchecked) is a perfect ideal?? Nah... I'll stick with a constitutional republic over that, every time
That is not tyranny of the masses. The people of Wisconsin elected representatives that shared their political ideals in the same manner as they elect US Congressmen as in a Constitutional Republic.
Yeah... someone claiming puppet masters and Fox working for Republican votes is a balanced independent
Time will tell.. but I know exactly what I would place my money on for a bet on where this newbie's political affiliation sits
Of course they are....Ted Turner?...Jane Fonda....James Carville...etc....CNN (Communist News Network) is entitled to their opinion. Just keep in mind that their opinion is very biased. They've been in the tank for the Democrats since their founding. So this opinion shouldn't be surprising to anyone.
I'm straying from the OP now...but I agree....and do you think the Healthcare Reform law was the tyranny of the masses?Right...because the tyranny of the minority is a great thing. Just look at Wisconsin...the Republicans won!...so they should get to be able to pass the laws they want, even if they are the majority. Do you think that situation is an example of the tyranny of the masses?
That is not tyranny of the masses. The people of Wisconsin elected representatives that shared their political ideals in the same manner as they elect US Congressmen as in a Constitutional Republic.
What economic policies of conservatives do you find "ludicrous"?
Now that is a reasonable post.
Specifically I think its incredible foolish to cut taxes when the country is running a minor budget surplus and then increase military spending dramatically so the country returns to an enormous deficit when the economy is strong, run that deficit for a decade, then when the economy is weak demand huge spending cuts while insisting on doing nothing to increase revenues.
The fact is the Bush administration should have maintained the budget surplus, but now that it’s too late we should at least wait until the economy is strong again to demand budget cuts. Furthermore, I think we should close some tax loopholes to require some of the 66% of corporations that pay no taxes, to pay some.
Yet you do not speak about the tax laws and loopholes that have ~50% of the citizenry that pay no federal income tax.... you do not speak about the fact that it is increased spending that is the major cause of the deficit increase, and not a revenue problem... not do you talk about the mythical surplus (please look at all govt spending inclusive of things outside what was published in the budget) and how military cuts to the point of hurting national defense and the military were a big part of the path that was taken to get there... you do not talk about which party was in charge of spending (I.E. congress) when things happened...
It is pretty evident, at least IMHO, where your 'political loyalty' sits
What economic policies of conservatives do you find "ludicrous"?
Now that is a reasonable post.
Specifically I think its incredible foolish to cut taxes when the country is running a minor budget surplus and then increase military spending dramatically so the country returns to an enormous deficit when the economy is strong, run that deficit for a decade, then when the economy is weak demand huge spending cuts while insisting on doing nothing to increase revenues.
The fact is the Bush administration should have maintained the budget surplus, but now that its too late we should at least wait until the economy is strong again to demand budget cuts. Furthermore, I think we should close some tax loopholes to require some of the 66% of corporations that pay no taxes, to pay some.
So you think Republicans who at least say they're for cutting spending but not raising taxes are unreasonable, but you favor raising taxes and not cutting spending? Wouldn't that be equally unreasonable?
CNN has been known as the 'Communist News Network' and "Clinton News Network' for many years. So i take their opinions with a grain of salt. I know where they're coming from.
Im not trying to blame all the corruption on billionaire lobbying. However It is a fact that the super rich have been spending hundreds of millions on campaign donations with the vast majority going to conservatives, and conservative fiscal policy clearly shows this.
Just as long as you're not taking what Fox, Rush, or MSNBC says WITHOUT a grain of salt.CNN has been known as the 'Communist News Network' and "Clinton News Network' for many years. So i take their opinions with a grain of salt. I know where they're coming from.
