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Jay & Madison supported a CENTRAL government also; and Jay fought to end slavery beginning in 1777.Alexander Hamilton was perhaps the single individual most responsible for robust federal financing. Gingrich's suggestion that Hamilton would be single-mindedly trying to balance the budget is silly. Gingrich might know history, but you wouldn't know it by listening to him.
California Girl - isn't there something to be said for not borrowing money from the bank to "give to charity?" I'm all for helping our fellow citizens of the world...but if we don't have any money, we don't have any money...shouldn't we make sure we are covering the necessities in the U.S. before we spend the massive amounts of money we spend overseas?
Why is it heartless to ask such questions?
Because long before we were broke, Paul and his ilk wanted to cut foreign aid. Foreign aid has, traditionally, kept many very poor nations from imploding and dragging other countries down with them.
Libertarians are dangerously naive about foreign affairs.
You noted only Hamilton, it brought the others to mind, obviously.Jay & Madison supported a CENTRAL government also; and Jay fought to end slavery beginning in 1777.Alexander Hamilton was perhaps the single individual most responsible for robust federal financing. Gingrich's suggestion that Hamilton would be single-mindedly trying to balance the budget is silly. Gingrich might know history, but you wouldn't know it by listening to him.
Absolutely true, though it's relation to either my post or the debate escapes me.
I'm tired of hearing about who did what and when they did it.
I WANT TO HEAR PLANS AND A VISION FOR OUR FUTURE.
Too much time spent gloating on their individual pasts.
California Girl - isn't there something to be said for not borrowing money from the bank to "give to charity?" I'm all for helping our fellow citizens of the world...but if we don't have any money, we don't have any money...shouldn't we make sure we are covering the necessities in the U.S. before we spend the massive amounts of money we spend overseas?
Why is it heartless to ask such questions?
Because long before we were broke, Paul and his ilk wanted to cut foreign aid. Foreign aid has, traditionally, kept many very poor nations from imploding and dragging other countries down with them.
Libertarians are dangerously naive about foreign affairs.
Then do it better, don't cut it completely.
I dont think it's heartless if we stop the government from giving the aid. Because there is nothing stopping the people from providing aid to those in other nations.
With respect, you are totally naive about the kind of aid, etc that we provide. It's important for us... as a world leading nation... to be seen to be helping where help is needed. It's one of the very few things I agree with on spending. We need to do it better... but we cannot cut it. It would damage our standing in the world, which in turn leads to economic consequences for us.
Too much time spent on a trivial issue.
California Girl - isn't there something to be said for not borrowing money from the bank to "give to charity?" I'm all for helping our fellow citizens of the world...but if we don't have any money, we don't have any money...shouldn't we make sure we are covering the necessities in the U.S. before we spend the massive amounts of money we spend overseas?
Why is it heartless to ask such questions?
Because long before we were broke, Paul and his ilk wanted to cut foreign aid. Foreign aid has, traditionally, kept many very poor nations from imploding and dragging other countries down with them.
Libertarians are dangerously naive about foreign affairs.
Good point. I'd also add that if you don't look at helping out other nations, their citizens start looking at other places to live - like the US...
I'm tired of hearing about who did what and when they did it.
I WANT TO HEAR PLANS AND A VISION FOR OUR FUTURE.
Too much time spent gloating on their individual pasts.
I dont think we have the same definition of gloating. I don't think citing one's record is gloating.
Too much time spent on a trivial issue.
Useful insofar as it revealed Romney is the least up on how government works.
I dont think it's heartless if we stop the government from giving the aid. Because there is nothing stopping the people from providing aid to those in other nations.
With respect, you are totally naive about the kind of aid, etc that we provide. It's important for us... as a world leading nation... to be seen to be helping where help is needed. It's one of the very few things I agree with on spending. We need to do it better... but we cannot cut it. It would damage our standing in the world, which in turn leads to economic consequences for us.
I think we will just have to agree to disagree here.
Good point. I'd also add that if you don't look at helping out other nations, their citizens start looking at other places to live - like the US...
I'm tired of hearing about who did what and when they did it.
I WANT TO HEAR PLANS AND A VISION FOR OUR FUTURE.
Too much time spent gloating on their individual pasts.
I dont think we have the same definition of gloating. I don't think citing one's record is gloating.
This is the 900th debate. This is the 1800th time they've spouted their records. We get it, we got it, stop gloating and tell us your vision.
Too much time spent on a trivial issue.
Useful insofar as it revealed Romney is the least up on how government works.
With respect, you are totally naive about the kind of aid, etc that we provide. It's important for us... as a world leading nation... to be seen to be helping where help is needed. It's one of the very few things I agree with on spending. We need to do it better... but we cannot cut it. It would damage our standing in the world, which in turn leads to economic consequences for us.
I think we will just have to agree to disagree here.
We can discuss foreign aid on a thread next week.
