Clinton Reminds World: FBI Director Found ZERO Emails Marked Classified--(To Minority Journalists)

[TooTall]

You do realize that Clinton was required by State Department regulations to use the government system but chose not too, right?

None of that is correct.

Clinton did use the secure system, and was not under any obligation to use a "state.gov" email address.

I disagree.

"Although some former secretaries of state occasionally used personal emails for official business, Clinton is the only one who never once used an @state.gov email address in the era of email. Some have questioned whether that practice violated rules regulating email use, transparency, records management or security.

So it seems she didn’t break a rule simply by using a personal email to conduct business. Rather, by using personal emails exclusively, she skirted the rules governing federal records management, Cox said.

A federal record is any documentary material, regardless of physical form, made or received by a government agency, according to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), which oversees federal record keeping. Records are preserved as evidence of the agencies’ activities, decisions and procedures. Each agency is responsible for maintaining its records in accordance with regulations.

It would have been a violation of the NARA's rules in the Code of Federal Regulations for Clinton to use personal email exclusively, Metcalfe said. The code requires federal agencies to make and preserve records that duly document agency activity, so that they are readily available when needed -- such as for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries. Using personal email exclusively is contrary to proper record preservation.

None

Whether or not you (or any pundits on the internet) "disagree", it's already been determined (repeatedly) that Clinton did not violate any rules or laws by using a personal server.

I posted the rules she violated.

The code requires federal agencies to make and preserve records that duly document agency activity, so that they are readily available when needed -- such as for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries. Using personal email exclusively is contrary to proper record preservation.
yourself with this post.

She had a SIRPNet terminal, and a laptop (NIRPNet) which she usually did not use - she preferred to use her Blackberry, in an area outside of her office that was built to be outside of the SCIF.

This is from the Washington post that gave Hillary 4 Pinochios for her lie. She is in the running for the Liar of the Year award unless Obama gets it again.

"Here’s how Comey put it in his lengthy statement when he announced the completion of the investigation: “Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.”

Comey said “seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters.”

I'm having a hard time understanding your post here - it seems to be a mixture of cut-and-pastes.

Regardless of whether or not using a personal server is "contrary to record preservation", it doesn't change the fact that there were no rules in place at the time against using a personal server for email.

This has been confirmed by the State department, the White House, and Comey.

The rest of your post seems to be on a different topic altogether - whether or not Hillary sent or received classified information on her personal server - which is not what I'm talking about.

There was a rule in place and I posted it for you twice. Comey confirmed that Hillary didn't lie to the FBI. You are starting to sound like that lying POS Hillary.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

None of that is correct.

Clinton did use the secure system, and was not under any obligation to use a "state.gov" email address.

I disagree.

"Although some former secretaries of state occasionally used personal emails for official business, Clinton is the only one who never once used an @state.gov email address in the era of email. Some have questioned whether that practice violated rules regulating email use, transparency, records management or security.

So it seems she didn’t break a rule simply by using a personal email to conduct business. Rather, by using personal emails exclusively, she skirted the rules governing federal records management, Cox said.

A federal record is any documentary material, regardless of physical form, made or received by a government agency, according to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), which oversees federal record keeping. Records are preserved as evidence of the agencies’ activities, decisions and procedures. Each agency is responsible for maintaining its records in accordance with regulations.

It would have been a violation of the NARA's rules in the Code of Federal Regulations for Clinton to use personal email exclusively, Metcalfe said. The code requires federal agencies to make and preserve records that duly document agency activity, so that they are readily available when needed -- such as for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries. Using personal email exclusively is contrary to proper record preservation.

None

Whether or not you (or any pundits on the internet) "disagree", it's already been determined (repeatedly) that Clinton did not violate any rules or laws by using a personal server.

I posted the rules she violated.

The code requires federal agencies to make and preserve records that duly document agency activity, so that they are readily available when needed -- such as for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries. Using personal email exclusively is contrary to proper record preservation.
yourself with this post.

She had a SIRPNet terminal, and a laptop (NIRPNet) which she usually did not use - she preferred to use her Blackberry, in an area outside of her office that was built to be outside of the SCIF.

This is from the Washington post that gave Hillary 4 Pinochios for her lie. She is in the running for the Liar of the Year award unless Obama gets it again.

"Here’s how Comey put it in his lengthy statement when he announced the completion of the investigation: “Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.”

Comey said “seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters.”

I'm having a hard time understanding your post here - it seems to be a mixture of cut-and-pastes.

Regardless of whether or not using a personal server is "contrary to record preservation", it doesn't change the fact that there were no rules in place at the time against using a personal server for email.

This has been confirmed by the State department, the White House, and Comey.

The rest of your post seems to be on a different topic altogether - whether or not Hillary sent or received classified information on her personal server - which is not what I'm talking about.

There was a rule in place and I posted it for you twice. Comey confirmed that Hillary didn't lie to the FBI. You are starting to sound like that lying POS Hillary.

There was no rule in place preventing Hillary from using a private server. What you posted was someone's opinion, not a rule.

 

[TooTall]

Yep. me & paul can run home brew just as good & safe from hack as a giant Fed bureaucracy with IT experts & equipment grow on trees. Try again doc.......

The doctor is correct. Federal computers are so outdated that most cannot handle the volume of email generated by employees. This is the result of budget cuts. The system is a porous as a sponge. Hillary's personal server was probably better protected than the government's because she could afford state of the art equipment.

Didn't she say she was using Bill's old computer setup?

No, she used Bill's old domain.

"clintonemail.com".

Wrong again.

"It was already there," she said of the server. "It had been there for years. It is the system that my husband's personal office used when he got out of the White House. And so it was sitting there in the basement. It was not any trouble at all."

Clinton's unusual email system was originally set up by a staffer during Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign, replacing a server used by her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

 

[Grizz]

Large parts of earth are inhabited by people who are not white. Secretary Clinton went to a confab of such peoples--who are journalists--and reminded everyone that the FBI Director found ZERO emails marked classified. State Department is consistent in its own report that none of the subject emails should have been marked officially classified, at the time. The link is about that, mostly. White people are troubled, in recent weeks, with usual English language transcripts about. The good news is that English, however, is the official language of Nigeria.

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/07/f...illary-clinton-emails-were-marked-classified/

It is not year clear just when Fox News plans to move to Nigeria.

It is not clear, given the massive turnarounds in the jobs reporting number and revisions, out just today, just how high in fact the Obama approval ratings may now jump(?). . .or something. There was a movie filmed at Venice Beach about other things that White people seem to be unable to do.

Secretary Clinton would now be said patient, in all of this confusion.

Obama approval ratings, too: Can jump!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Many more fruity things, in William Tell boy's hair: Likely explaining why there is strong support for NRA, supporting Amendment Two.. .(and for atomic nuclear cannon ownership, in private hands(?))!)

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For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).

None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail."


Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System — FBI

Willfully ignorant dumbass you are.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Yep. me & paul can run home brew just as good & safe from hack as a giant Fed bureaucracy with IT experts & equipment grow on trees. Try again doc.......

The doctor is correct. Federal computers are so outdated that most cannot handle the volume of email generated by employees. This is the result of budget cuts. The system is a porous as a sponge. Hillary's personal server was probably better protected than the government's because she could afford state of the art equipment.

Didn't she say she was using Bill's old computer setup?

No, she used Bill's old domain.

"clintonemail.com".

Wrong again.

"It was already there," she said of the server. "It had been there for years. It is the system that my husband's personal office used when he got out of the White House. And so it was sitting there in the basement. It was not any trouble at all."

Clinton's unusual email system was originally set up by a staffer during Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign, replacing a server used by her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

These two statements contradict each other.

Which position are you arguing?

 

[TooTall]

I disagree.

"Although some former secretaries of state occasionally used personal emails for official business, Clinton is the only one who never once used an @state.gov email address in the era of email. Some have questioned whether that practice violated rules regulating email use, transparency, records management or security.

So it seems she didn’t break a rule simply by using a personal email to conduct business. Rather, by using personal emails exclusively, she skirted the rules governing federal records management, Cox said.

A federal record is any documentary material, regardless of physical form, made or received by a government agency, according to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), which oversees federal record keeping. Records are preserved as evidence of the agencies’ activities, decisions and procedures. Each agency is responsible for maintaining its records in accordance with regulations.

It would have been a violation of the NARA's rules in the Code of Federal Regulations for Clinton to use personal email exclusively, Metcalfe said. The code requires federal agencies to make and preserve records that duly document agency activity, so that they are readily available when needed -- such as for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries. Using personal email exclusively is contrary to proper record preservation.

None

Whether or not you (or any pundits on the internet) "disagree", it's already been determined (repeatedly) that Clinton did not violate any rules or laws by using a personal server.

I posted the rules she violated.

The code requires federal agencies to make and preserve records that duly document agency activity, so that they are readily available when needed -- such as for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries. Using personal email exclusively is contrary to proper record preservation.
yourself with this post.

She had a SIRPNet terminal, and a laptop (NIRPNet) which she usually did not use - she preferred to use her Blackberry, in an area outside of her office that was built to be outside of the SCIF.

This is from the Washington post that gave Hillary 4 Pinochios for her lie. She is in the running for the Liar of the Year award unless Obama gets it again.

"Here’s how Comey put it in his lengthy statement when he announced the completion of the investigation: “Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.”

Comey said “seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters.”

I'm having a hard time understanding your post here - it seems to be a mixture of cut-and-pastes.

Regardless of whether or not using a personal server is "contrary to record preservation", it doesn't change the fact that there were no rules in place at the time against using a personal server for email.

This has been confirmed by the State department, the White House, and Comey.

The rest of your post seems to be on a different topic altogether - whether or not Hillary sent or received classified information on her personal server - which is not what I'm talking about.

There was a rule in place and I posted it for you twice. Comey confirmed that Hillary didn't lie to the FBI. You are starting to sound like that lying POS Hillary.

There was no rule in place preventing Hillary from using a private server. What you posted was someone's opinion, not a rule.

You have to be related to Hillary.

"But according to the National Archives and Records Administration, there was a regulation in place governing Clinton's use of personal email for official business while she was secretary of state. And it seems she did not fully abide by this. In a statement issued today, the National Archives notes that it has "reached out to the State Department to ensure that all federal records are properly identified and managed." And the statement says:

Since 2009, NARA's regulations have stated that "Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system."

This rule is clear: If Clinton used personal email to conduct official business—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—all of those emails had to be collected and preserved within the State Department's record keeping system. That makes sense: The whole point of preserving official records of government business is to have this material controlled by the government, not by the individual official or employee. Yet in this case, Clinton and her aides apparently did not preserve all her emails within the system.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Whether or not you (or any pundits on the internet) "disagree", it's already been determined (repeatedly) that Clinton did not violate any rules or laws by using a personal server.

I posted the rules she violated.

The code requires federal agencies to make and preserve records that duly document agency activity, so that they are readily available when needed -- such as for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries. Using personal email exclusively is contrary to proper record preservation.
yourself with this post.

She had a SIRPNet terminal, and a laptop (NIRPNet) which she usually did not use - she preferred to use her Blackberry, in an area outside of her office that was built to be outside of the SCIF.

This is from the Washington post that gave Hillary 4 Pinochios for her lie. She is in the running for the Liar of the Year award unless Obama gets it again.

"Here’s how Comey put it in his lengthy statement when he announced the completion of the investigation: “Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.”

Comey said “seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters.”

I'm having a hard time understanding your post here - it seems to be a mixture of cut-and-pastes.

Regardless of whether or not using a personal server is "contrary to record preservation", it doesn't change the fact that there were no rules in place at the time against using a personal server for email.

This has been confirmed by the State department, the White House, and Comey.

The rest of your post seems to be on a different topic altogether - whether or not Hillary sent or received classified information on her personal server - which is not what I'm talking about.

There was a rule in place and I posted it for you twice. Comey confirmed that Hillary didn't lie to the FBI. You are starting to sound like that lying POS Hillary.

There was no rule in place preventing Hillary from using a private server. What you posted was someone's opinion, not a rule.

You have to be related to Hillary.

"But according to the National Archives and Records Administration, there was a regulation in place governing Clinton's use of personal email for official business while she was secretary of state. And it seems she did not fully abide by this. In a statement issued today, the National Archives notes that it has "reached out to the State Department to ensure that all federal records are properly identified and managed." And the statement says:

Since 2009, NARA's regulations have stated that "Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system."

This rule is clear: If Clinton used personal email to conduct official business—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—all of those emails had to be collected and preserved within the State Department's record keeping system. That makes sense: The whole point of preserving official records of government business is to have this material controlled by the government, not by the individual official or employee. Yet in this case, Clinton and her aides apparently did not preserve all her emails within the system.

Did you realize that this contradicts your claims? I'll highlight the relevant part for you:

—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—

The rest of the analysis is incorrect - Hillary was under no obligation to collect and preserve personal emails on her server - and was the sole arbiter of what was "personal" and what was not.

This has also been confirmed repeatedly.

In addition, you must include a link if you copy and paste. Please add links to your posts in this thread.

 

[Clementine]

The keyword being "MARKED".


Unfortunately, the FBI found over 100 emails containing secret, top secret, and yes, classified, emails that were NOT marked.

I guess when it comes to Hillary, they need to stop assuming that she possesses the intelligence to understand that classified information needs to be protected. Shouldn't make the mistake of trusting her again.

Her glib response to wiping her server clean showed that she believes the American people are stupid enough to believe anything. She tried to play dumb on how computers work. If nothing else, she should know more from her experience or at least have taken it upon herself to learn more about computers since it was required for her job.

The incredibly stupid comment about wiping the server clean with a cloth or Huma stating that Hillary found it too difficult to log onto the State Dept. secure server was a lame attempt to paint a picture of a senile old woman who is hopeless when it comes to learning new things. While that would be embarrassing, the truth is even worse.

 

[mascale]

The thread appears to have been well-received so far, in the context of the basic Nigerian-language reports of the various testimonies. For example, "Grizz" poster above lapses more into Trump, "dumbass" linguistics(?)," probably to be expected. What he is referencing is shown below, and with a Nigerian language explanation, not in bold letters.
__________________________
For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. (Cited above, marked "Classified," per statute--is not the subject.)

These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. (So referencing unmarked "matters" is what is reported.)

There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. (Again, nothing about using the system to send marked "Classified" material is being discussed. The discussion about "matters" is not about sending or receiving classified information itself. The Secretary of State is, after all, the Secretary of State--not the FBI Director. Colin@fivestardesertstormdotcom had used a private server, for Secretary of State level communication.)

In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails). (This, apparently, was possibly not the case at all. It turns out that "c" markings were in some emails, but not in materials marked "Classified," in them, since there was none at all. There is a reference to an off-email information source: Apparently not in the emails of the Secretary of State.)
_________________________________________________
The context above may be the source of the "Careless" use of classified material, but nothing marked "Classified" is in the material. At some point, more likely protocols take over. There may or may not have been interpretations or understandings happening. Those may have needed some level of informal communication. Again, it was Colin the five-star who had started Department of State getting more into email usages.

CERO emails were marked "Classified," lapsing into possibly a more customary US language interpretation of the findings of the millions and millions of dollars of money and time spent on the fundamental Nigerian-language conclusion. There were ZERO matters actually marked "Classified."

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Maybe less fruity things in young warrior's hair, would justify William Tell's use of an AK-47 instead! We are advanced, as a species, now!)

 

[Grizz]

The thread appears to have been well-received so far, in the context of the basic Nigerian-language reports of the various testimonies. For example, "Grizz" poster above lapses more into Trump, "dumbass" linguistics(?)," probably to be expected. What he is referencing is shown below, and with a Nigerian language explanation, not in bold letters.
__________________________
For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. (Cited above, marked "Classified," per statute--is not the subject.)

These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. (So referencing unmarked "matters" is what is reported.)

There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. (Again, nothing about using the system to send marked "Classified" material is being discussed. The discussion about "matters" is not about sending or receiving classified information itself. The Secretary of State is, after all, the Secretary of State--not the FBI Director. Colin@fivestardesertstormdotcom had used a private server, for Secretary of State level communication.)

In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails). (This, apparently, was possibly not the case at all. It turns out that "c" markings were in some emails, but not in materials marked "Classified," in them, since there was none at all. There is a reference to an off-email information source: Apparently not in the emails of the Secretary of State.)
_________________________________________________
The context above may be the source of the "Careless" use of classified material, but nothing marked "Classified" is in the material. At some point, more likely protocols take over. There may or may not have been interpretations or understandings happening. Those may have needed some level of informal communication. Again, it was Colin the five-star who had started Department of State getting more into email usages.

CERO emails were marked "Classified," lapsing into possibly a more customary US language interpretation of the findings of the millions and millions of dollars of money and time spent on the fundamental Nigerian-language conclusion. There were ZERO matters actually marked "Classified."

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Maybe less fruity things in young warrior's hair, would justify William Tell's use of an AK-47 instead! We are advanced, as a species, now!)

I proved you wrong kid, you'll be ok.

 

[easyt65]

1 x 'FALSE'

4 x PINOCCHIOS

1 x 'PANTS ON FIRE'

...from 3 FactCheck sources.

Hillary can't stop lying. She needs an 'intervention'.

 

[Norman]

She's pathological, crooked...

Who really wants this person to be the first woman president... yuck.

 

[TooTall]

I posted the rules she violated.

The code requires federal agencies to make and preserve records that duly document agency activity, so that they are readily available when needed -- such as for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries. Using personal email exclusively is contrary to proper record preservation.
yourself with this post.

She had a SIRPNet terminal, and a laptop (NIRPNet) which she usually did not use - she preferred to use her Blackberry, in an area outside of her office that was built to be outside of the SCIF.

This is from the Washington post that gave Hillary 4 Pinochios for her lie. She is in the running for the Liar of the Year award unless Obama gets it again.

"Here’s how Comey put it in his lengthy statement when he announced the completion of the investigation: “Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.”

Comey said “seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters.”

I'm having a hard time understanding your post here - it seems to be a mixture of cut-and-pastes.

Regardless of whether or not using a personal server is "contrary to record preservation", it doesn't change the fact that there were no rules in place at the time against using a personal server for email.

This has been confirmed by the State department, the White House, and Comey.

The rest of your post seems to be on a different topic altogether - whether or not Hillary sent or received classified information on her personal server - which is not what I'm talking about.

There was a rule in place and I posted it for you twice. Comey confirmed that Hillary didn't lie to the FBI. You are starting to sound like that lying POS Hillary.

There was no rule in place preventing Hillary from using a private server. What you posted was someone's opinion, not a rule.

You have to be related to Hillary.

"But according to the National Archives and Records Administration, there was a regulation in place governing Clinton's use of personal email for official business while she was secretary of state. And it seems she did not fully abide by this. In a statement issued today, the National Archives notes that it has "reached out to the State Department to ensure that all federal records are properly identified and managed." And the statement says:

Since 2009, NARA's regulations have stated that "Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system."

This rule is clear: If Clinton used personal email to conduct official business—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—all of those emails had to be collected and preserved within the State Department's record keeping system. That makes sense: The whole point of preserving official records of government business is to have this material controlled by the government, not by the individual official or employee. Yet in this case, Clinton and her aides apparently did not preserve all her emails within the system.

Did you realize that this contradicts your claims? I'll highlight the relevant part for you:

—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—

The rest of the analysis is incorrect - Hillary was under no obligation to collect and preserve personal emails on her server - and was the sole arbiter of what was "personal" and what was not.

This has also been confirmed repeatedly.

In addition, you must include a link if you copy and paste. Please add links to your posts in this thread.

I posted the rules she violated.

The code requires federal agencies to make and preserve records that duly document agency activity, so that they are readily available when needed -- such as for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries. Using personal email exclusively is contrary to proper record preservation.
yourself with this post.

She had a SIRPNet terminal, and a laptop (NIRPNet) which she usually did not use - she preferred to use her Blackberry, in an area outside of her office that was built to be outside of the SCIF.

This is from the Washington post that gave Hillary 4 Pinochios for her lie. She is in the running for the Liar of the Year award unless Obama gets it again.

"Here’s how Comey put it in his lengthy statement when he announced the completion of the investigation: “Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.”

Comey said “seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters.”

I'm having a hard time understanding your post here - it seems to be a mixture of cut-and-pastes.

Regardless of whether or not using a personal server is "contrary to record preservation", it doesn't change the fact that there were no rules in place at the time against using a personal server for email.

This has been confirmed by the State department, the White House, and Comey.

The rest of your post seems to be on a different topic altogether - whether or not Hillary sent or received classified information on her personal server - which is not what I'm talking about.

There was a rule in place and I posted it for you twice. Comey confirmed that Hillary didn't lie to the FBI. You are starting to sound like that lying POS Hillary.

There was no rule in place preventing Hillary from using a private server. What you posted was someone's opinion, not a rule.

You have to be related to Hillary.

"But according to the National Archives and Records Administration, there was a regulation in place governing Clinton's use of personal email for official business while she was secretary of state. And it seems she did not fully abide by this. In a statement issued today, the National Archives notes that it has "reached out to the State Department to ensure that all federal records are properly identified and managed." And the statement says:

Since 2009, NARA's regulations have stated that "Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system."

This rule is clear: If Clinton used personal email to conduct official business—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—all of those emails had to be collected and preserved within the State Department's record keeping system. That makes sense: The whole point of preserving official records of government business is to have this material controlled by the government, not by the individual official or employee. Yet in this case, Clinton and her aides apparently did not preserve all her emails within the system.

Did you realize that this contradicts your claims? I'll highlight the relevant part for you:

—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—

The rest of the analysis is incorrect - Hillary was under no obligation to collect and preserve personal emails on her server - and was the sole arbiter of what was "personal" and what was not.

This has also been confirmed repeatedly.

In addition, you must include a link if you copy and paste. Please add links to your posts in this thread.

Is it disgusting to lift out part of a sentence in a disingenuous way to attempt to prove your point. Here is the entire sentence you quoted.

This rule is clear: If Clinton used personal email to conduct official business—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—all of those emails had to be collected and preserved within the State Department's record keeping system.

She chose to delete 33,000 of those emails that were supposed to be collected and preserved within the State Departments record keeping system.

Here is the link I should have posted.

National Archives Releases State Department Letter re: Email Recordkeeping

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Actually I found something interesting in her comments I have been waiting to see if anybody picked up on, but so far they haven't. She started off talking about how anybody who works in the government knows what the classified emails look like. How would she know what they look like if she did not send or receive any?

You do realize that there's a separate, closed extranet used entirely for the dissemination of classified material, right?

You do know we are not talking about that system, right?

You do realize that Clinton was required by State Department regulations to use the government system but chose not too, right?

None of that is correct.

Clinton did use the secure system, and was not under any obligation to use a "state.gov" email address.

No, she didn't.

 

[Vigilante]

COUNT THEM, SIX (6) LIES in under 2 minutes about her email as stated by the FBI Director!

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Actually I found something interesting in her comments I have been waiting to see if anybody picked up on, but so far they haven't. She started off talking about how anybody who works in the government knows what the classified emails look like. How would she know what they look like if she did not send or receive any?

You do realize that there's a separate, closed extranet used entirely for the dissemination of classified material, right?

You do know we are not talking about that system, right?

You do realize that Clinton was required by State Department regulations to use the government system but chose not too, right?

None of that is correct.

Clinton did use the secure system, and was not under any obligation to use a "state.gov" email address.

No, she didn't.

Yeah, of course she did. Where are you coming up with the idea that she didn't use SIPRNet?

I think you might be a little confused.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

You do realize that there's a separate, closed extranet used entirely for the dissemination of classified material, right?

You do know we are not talking about that system, right?

You do realize that Clinton was required by State Department regulations to use the government system but chose not too, right?

None of that is correct.

Clinton did use the secure system, and was not under any obligation to use a "state.gov" email address.

No, she didn't.

Yeah, of course she did. Where are you coming up with the idea that she didn't use SIPRNet?

I think you might be a little confused.

She wasn't using it if she was using a private server. If she was on a govt server she was automatically using it.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I'm having a hard time understanding your post here - it seems to be a mixture of cut-and-pastes.

Regardless of whether or not using a personal server is "contrary to record preservation", it doesn't change the fact that there were no rules in place at the time against using a personal server for email.

This has been confirmed by the State department, the White House, and Comey.

The rest of your post seems to be on a different topic altogether - whether or not Hillary sent or received classified information on her personal server - which is not what I'm talking about.

There was a rule in place and I posted it for you twice. Comey confirmed that Hillary didn't lie to the FBI. You are starting to sound like that lying POS Hillary.

There was no rule in place preventing Hillary from using a private server. What you posted was someone's opinion, not a rule.

You have to be related to Hillary.

"But according to the National Archives and Records Administration, there was a regulation in place governing Clinton's use of personal email for official business while she was secretary of state. And it seems she did not fully abide by this. In a statement issued today, the National Archives notes that it has "reached out to the State Department to ensure that all federal records are properly identified and managed." And the statement says:

Since 2009, NARA's regulations have stated that "Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system."

This rule is clear: If Clinton used personal email to conduct official business—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—all of those emails had to be collected and preserved within the State Department's record keeping system. That makes sense: The whole point of preserving official records of government business is to have this material controlled by the government, not by the individual official or employee. Yet in this case, Clinton and her aides apparently did not preserve all her emails within the system.

Did you realize that this contradicts your claims? I'll highlight the relevant part for you:

—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—

The rest of the analysis is incorrect - Hillary was under no obligation to collect and preserve personal emails on her server - and was the sole arbiter of what was "personal" and what was not.

This has also been confirmed repeatedly.

In addition, you must include a link if you copy and paste. Please add links to your posts in this thread.

I'm having a hard time understanding your post here - it seems to be a mixture of cut-and-pastes.

Regardless of whether or not using a personal server is "contrary to record preservation", it doesn't change the fact that there were no rules in place at the time against using a personal server for email.

This has been confirmed by the State department, the White House, and Comey.

The rest of your post seems to be on a different topic altogether - whether or not Hillary sent or received classified information on her personal server - which is not what I'm talking about.

There was a rule in place and I posted it for you twice. Comey confirmed that Hillary didn't lie to the FBI. You are starting to sound like that lying POS Hillary.

There was no rule in place preventing Hillary from using a private server. What you posted was someone's opinion, not a rule.

You have to be related to Hillary.

"But according to the National Archives and Records Administration, there was a regulation in place governing Clinton's use of personal email for official business while she was secretary of state. And it seems she did not fully abide by this. In a statement issued today, the National Archives notes that it has "reached out to the State Department to ensure that all federal records are properly identified and managed." And the statement says:

Since 2009, NARA's regulations have stated that "Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system."

This rule is clear: If Clinton used personal email to conduct official business—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—all of those emails had to be collected and preserved within the State Department's record keeping system. That makes sense: The whole point of preserving official records of government business is to have this material controlled by the government, not by the individual official or employee. Yet in this case, Clinton and her aides apparently did not preserve all her emails within the system.

Did you realize that this contradicts your claims? I'll highlight the relevant part for you:

—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—

The rest of the analysis is incorrect - Hillary was under no obligation to collect and preserve personal emails on her server - and was the sole arbiter of what was "personal" and what was not.

This has also been confirmed repeatedly.

In addition, you must include a link if you copy and paste. Please add links to your posts in this thread.

Is it disgusting to lift out part of a sentence in a disingenuous way to attempt to prove your point. Here is the entire sentence you quoted.

This rule is clear: If Clinton used personal email to conduct official business—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—all of those emails had to be collected and preserved within the State Department's record keeping system.

She chose to delete 33,000 of those emails that were supposed to be collected and preserved within the State Departments record keeping system.

Here is the link I should have posted.

National Archives Releases State Department Letter re: Email Recordkeeping

You have to put a link to wherever you cut and pasted that opinion from, not another site altogether. Please do not violate our Copyright rules.

As for the law you're trying to quote - here it is:

(b) Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system.

36 CFR 1236.22 - What are the additional requirements for managing electronic mail records?

Hillary Clinton's personal emails do not qualify as "Federal records", and therefore she was not obligated to turn them over. You can argue that she may have deleted emails that should be treated as "Federal records" - but that's not illegal either, since legally she is the one who gets to decide which emails are personal and which are not.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You do know we are not talking about that system, right?

You do realize that Clinton was required by State Department regulations to use the government system but chose not too, right?

None of that is correct.

Clinton did use the secure system, and was not under any obligation to use a "state.gov" email address.

No, she didn't.

Yeah, of course she did. Where are you coming up with the idea that she didn't use SIPRNet?

I think you might be a little confused.

She wasn't using it if she was using a private server. If she was on a govt server she was automatically using it.

No. As I said, you're confused.

Classified material cannot be sent through any public email - whether from a state.gov email address, or Hillary's private server. The state.gov servers are not "secure".

SIRPNet is a private extranet, not connected to the public internet at all, and is the only way that classified information may be distributed.

The fact that Hillary chose not to use a state.gov email address does not mean that she "chose" not to use SIRPNet - and it's completely ludicrous to think she did, since otherwise she would have no access to any classified information.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

There was a rule in place and I posted it for you twice. Comey confirmed that Hillary didn't lie to the FBI. You are starting to sound like that lying POS Hillary.

There was no rule in place preventing Hillary from using a private server. What you posted was someone's opinion, not a rule.

You have to be related to Hillary.

"But according to the National Archives and Records Administration, there was a regulation in place governing Clinton's use of personal email for official business while she was secretary of state. And it seems she did not fully abide by this. In a statement issued today, the National Archives notes that it has "reached out to the State Department to ensure that all federal records are properly identified and managed." And the statement says:

Since 2009, NARA's regulations have stated that "Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system."

This rule is clear: If Clinton used personal email to conduct official business—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—all of those emails had to be collected and preserved within the State Department's record keeping system. That makes sense: The whole point of preserving official records of government business is to have this material controlled by the government, not by the individual official or employee. Yet in this case, Clinton and her aides apparently did not preserve all her emails within the system.

Did you realize that this contradicts your claims? I'll highlight the relevant part for you:

—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—

The rest of the analysis is incorrect - Hillary was under no obligation to collect and preserve personal emails on her server - and was the sole arbiter of what was "personal" and what was not.

This has also been confirmed repeatedly.

In addition, you must include a link if you copy and paste. Please add links to your posts in this thread.

There was a rule in place and I posted it for you twice. Comey confirmed that Hillary didn't lie to the FBI. You are starting to sound like that lying POS Hillary.

There was no rule in place preventing Hillary from using a private server. What you posted was someone's opinion, not a rule.

You have to be related to Hillary.

"But according to the National Archives and Records Administration, there was a regulation in place governing Clinton's use of personal email for official business while she was secretary of state. And it seems she did not fully abide by this. In a statement issued today, the National Archives notes that it has "reached out to the State Department to ensure that all federal records are properly identified and managed." And the statement says:

Since 2009, NARA's regulations have stated that "Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system."

This rule is clear: If Clinton used personal email to conduct official business—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—all of those emails had to be collected and preserved within the State Department's record keeping system. That makes sense: The whole point of preserving official records of government business is to have this material controlled by the government, not by the individual official or employee. Yet in this case, Clinton and her aides apparently did not preserve all her emails within the system.

Did you realize that this contradicts your claims? I'll highlight the relevant part for you:

—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—

The rest of the analysis is incorrect - Hillary was under no obligation to collect and preserve personal emails on her server - and was the sole arbiter of what was "personal" and what was not.

This has also been confirmed repeatedly.

In addition, you must include a link if you copy and paste. Please add links to your posts in this thread.

Is it disgusting to lift out part of a sentence in a disingenuous way to attempt to prove your point. Here is the entire sentence you quoted.

This rule is clear: If Clinton used personal email to conduct official business—which apparently did not violate any federal rules at the time—all of those emails had to be collected and preserved within the State Department's record keeping system.

She chose to delete 33,000 of those emails that were supposed to be collected and preserved within the State Departments record keeping system.

Here is the link I should have posted.

National Archives Releases State Department Letter re: Email Recordkeeping

You have to put a link to wherever you cut and pasted that opinion from, not another site altogether. Please do not violate our Copyright rules.

As for the law you're trying to quote - here it is:

(b) Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system.

36 CFR 1236.22 - What are the additional requirements for managing electronic mail records?

Hillary Clinton's personal emails do not qualify as "Federal records", and therefore she was not obligated to turn them over. You can argue that she may have deleted emails that should be treated as "Federal records" - but that's not illegal either, since legally she is the one who gets to decide which emails are personal and which are not.

If the private email is transmitted under a govt email server, the private email can be reviewed and the employee can be disciplined. That rarely happens but that is the law. So, if she was using a private server, she could easily conclude that none of her emails would ever be under review. I know this is anecdotal but I had to comply with sensitive information with the dept of the interior and was subject to such laws.