Climate Scientists are Laughing at You

[skookerasbil]

The intervening period between radical environment change and final adaptation is filled with misery. Do you not care what you children and your grand children and your great grand children will suffer? From all that you have posted here, it seems that you do not.

Maybe suffering.

But we know the level of suffering people will endure under the suffocating tax rates that would accompany meaningful climate change action. There would be no more middle class....guys like you are fine with massive increases in the number of poor.

But that's why shit like a green new deal will never become public policy.....not politically viable.

 

[Crick]

Do you? I think not.

 

[80zephyr]

And yet you have not quantified what is "excess".. The earth has had naturally occurring levels of CO2 above 1,700ppm for over 75% of its life.

When do we say what we are seeing is excess? Prove that the entire current rise is not natural variation..

Yes it has been higher, and scientists have proven that those eras were not conducive to human life. Why would you want to return to them?

Sure, from the Trump administration dept of NASA.

Nasa literally uses the heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and its ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA.

Our space program wouldn't work if CO2 didn't trap heat. You literally have to buy the Flat Earth theory with this conspiracy theory. It's the only way it works, package deal.

You said "scientists have proven that those eras were not conducive to human life".

Why wouldn't it be? Humans are pretty adaptable. If the dinosaurs could live in an environment with 5 times the CO2 as we have currently, why couldn't humans not only survive, thrive.

Mark

Ok, you really don't understand the basics of how animals evolve, and the impacts of quickly changing climates on life on earth do you? I mean there's no way you could have even an elementary knowledge of that and try and say that.

I know that the animals around my area are exposed to temperatures from 30 below to 100 above zero. A small change in the average temperature will do what to them?

Mark

 

[SandSquid]

And yet you have not quantified what is "excess".. The earth has had naturally occurring levels of CO2 above 1,700ppm for over 75% of its life.

When do we say what we are seeing is excess? Prove that the entire current rise is not natural variation..

Yes it has been higher, and scientists have proven that those eras were not conducive to human life. Why would you want to return to them?

Sure, from the Trump administration dept of NASA.

Nasa literally uses the heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and its ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA.

Our space program wouldn't work if CO2 didn't trap heat. You literally have to buy the Flat Earth theory with this conspiracy theory. It's the only way it works, package deal.

You said "scientists have proven that those eras were not conducive to human life".

Why wouldn't it be? Humans are pretty adaptable. If the dinosaurs could live in an environment with 5 times the CO2 as we have currently, why couldn't humans not only survive, thrive.

Mark

Ok, you really don't understand the basics of how animals evolve, and the impacts of quickly changing climates on life on earth do you? I mean there's no way you could have even an elementary knowledge of that and try and say that.

I know that the animals around my area are exposed to temperatures from 30 below to 100 above zero. A small change in the average temperature will do what to them?

Mark

lets see. A lot of scientists much more educated on the subject than you or I have been studying the existing changes and past ones for decades. You are describing weather, not climate. The ice age that nearly wiped out humans and many animals and flora was a 4-6 degree climate change. Archaeologists, climatologists, geneticists, an other scientists working together have discovered earth may have been down to it's last 300 or so breeding pairs of humans at the time. Effects of that climate change have already been seen in changes in growing seasons, species ranges, and patterns of seasonal breeding. It's already caused animals to go extinct.

Most known species of animals have small ranges of climates where they live. And even if they are able to adapt, is their food source able to? Are their predators able to? Will their defense mechanisms still be viable in a new climate?

A grizzly bear might be able to live anywhere from Alaska down to Texas. But for the ones in Alaska, what happens to them as Salmon which have a very low temperature tolerance and already are struggling with the effects of climate change die out or change spawning grounds further north?

And maybe some things will adapt. Indigenous Alaskan tribes used to subsist mostly on seals. Well melting sea ice has made that much harder for them to catch and kill. But the longer warm seasons have caused alder and willow shrubs to grow faster and larger. And Moose and hare's have moved up into the Alaskan arctic and have replaced seals as their diet staples.

And the small things are are the big ones. Malaria is spreading to higher elevations as mosquitos are able to expand into now warmer climates, and longer mosquito seasons are keeping it around longer every year. Leishmaniasis was a tropical disease, which is now making it's way into Northern Texas.

Or the spread of species impacting crop growth. South America is struggling with Diamondback moths able to spread their range to new area's. In the US, Johnson grass is the one moving and impacting crops. Studies have found thousands of species moving north every year. Some as much as 12 miles a year.

 

[jc456]

Do you? I think not.

sure we do. they are suffering today. why would you think an increase in taxes wouldn't produce more suffering? now you're behaving as an ignoramus.

 

[jc456]

And yet you have not quantified what is "excess".. The earth has had naturally occurring levels of CO2 above 1,700ppm for over 75% of its life.

When do we say what we are seeing is excess? Prove that the entire current rise is not natural variation..

Yes it has been higher, and scientists have proven that those eras were not conducive to human life. Why would you want to return to them?

Sure, from the Trump administration dept of NASA.

Nasa literally uses the heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and its ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA.

Our space program wouldn't work if CO2 didn't trap heat. You literally have to buy the Flat Earth theory with this conspiracy theory. It's the only way it works, package deal.

You said "scientists have proven that those eras were not conducive to human life".

Why wouldn't it be? Humans are pretty adaptable. If the dinosaurs could live in an environment with 5 times the CO2 as we have currently, why couldn't humans not only survive, thrive.

Mark

Ok, you really don't understand the basics of how animals evolve, and the impacts of quickly changing climates on life on earth do you? I mean there's no way you could have even an elementary knowledge of that and try and say that.

I know that the animals around my area are exposed to temperatures from 30 below to 100 above zero. A small change in the average temperature will do what to them?

Mark

lets see. A lot of scientists much more educated on the subject than you or I have been studying the existing changes and past ones for decades. You are describing weather, not climate. The ice age that nearly wiped out humans and many animals and flora was a 4-6 degree climate change. Archaeologists, climatologists, geneticists, an other scientists working together have discovered earth may have been down to it's last 300 or so breeding pairs of humans at the time. Effects of that climate change have already been seen in changes in growing seasons, species ranges, and patterns of seasonal breeding. It's already caused animals to go extinct.

Most known species of animals have small ranges of climates where they live. And even if they are able to adapt, is their food source able to? Are their predators able to? Will their defense mechanisms still be viable in a new climate?

A grizzly bear might be able to live anywhere from Alaska down to Texas. But for the ones in Alaska, what happens to them as Salmon which have a very low temperature tolerance and already are struggling with the effects of climate change die out or change spawning grounds further north?

And maybe some things will adapt. Indigenous Alaskan tribes used to subsist mostly on seals. Well melting sea ice has made that much harder for them to catch and kill. But the longer warm seasons have caused alder and willow shrubs to grow faster and larger. And Moose and hare's have moved up into the Alaskan arctic and have replaced seals as their diet staples.

And the small things are are the big ones. Malaria is spreading to higher elevations as mosquitos are able to expand into now warmer climates, and longer mosquito seasons are keeping it around longer every year. Leishmaniasis was a tropical disease, which is now making it's way into Northern Texas.

Or the spread of species impacting crop growth. South America is struggling with Diamondback moths able to spread their range to new area's. In the US, Johnson grass is the one moving and impacting crops. Studies have found thousands of species moving north every year. Some as much as 12 miles a year.

a couple of questions, do animals survive temperature swings today? What evidence do you have that a one degree rise let's say, does them in?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Humans are adaptable, like all other life forms, when they've got hundreds of thousands of years with which to adapt.

So you are saying humans couldn't adabt to living on Mars?


Quick tell that to NASA and Elon Musk

they would love to hear from an expert opinion as yours from an anonymous poster on a message board.



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[Wyatt earp]

And yet you have not quantified what is "excess".. The earth has had naturally occurring levels of CO2 above 1,700ppm for over 75% of its life.

When do we say what we are seeing is excess? Prove that the entire current rise is not natural variation..

Yes it has been higher, and scientists have proven that those eras were not conducive to human life. Why would you want to return to them?

Sure, from the Trump administration dept of NASA.

Nasa literally uses the heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and its ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA.

Our space program wouldn't work if CO2 didn't trap heat. You literally have to buy the Flat Earth theory with this conspiracy theory. It's the only way it works, package deal.

You said "scientists have proven that those eras were not conducive to human life".

Why wouldn't it be? Humans are pretty adaptable. If the dinosaurs could live in an environment with 5 times the CO2 as we have currently, why couldn't humans not only survive, thrive.

Mark

Ok, you really don't understand the basics of how animals evolve, and the impacts of quickly changing climates on life on earth do you? I mean there's no way you could have even an elementary knowledge of that and try and say that.

I know that the animals around my area are exposed to temperatures from 30 below to 100 above zero. A small change in the average temperature will do what to them?

Mark

lets see. A lot of scientists much more educated on the subject than you or I have been studying the existing changes and past ones for decades. You are describing weather, not climate. The ice age that nearly wiped out humans and many animals and flora was a 4-6 degree climate change. Archaeologists, climatologists, geneticists, an other scientists working together have discovered earth may have been down to it's last 300 or so breeding pairs of humans at the time. Effects of that climate change have already been seen in changes in growing seasons, species ranges, and patterns of seasonal breeding. It's already caused animals to go extinct.

Most known species of animals have small ranges of climates where they live. And even if they are able to adapt, is their food source able to? Are their predators able to? Will their defense mechanisms still be viable in a new climate?

A grizzly bear might be able to live anywhere from Alaska down to Texas. But for the ones in Alaska, what happens to them as Salmon which have a very low temperature tolerance and already are struggling with the effects of climate change die out or change spawning grounds further north?

And maybe some things will adapt. Indigenous Alaskan tribes used to subsist mostly on seals. Well melting sea ice has made that much harder for them to catch and kill. But the longer warm seasons have caused alder and willow shrubs to grow faster and larger. And Moose and hare's have moved up into the Alaskan arctic and have replaced seals as their diet staples.

And the small things are are the big ones. Malaria is spreading to higher elevations as mosquitos are able to expand into now warmer climates, and longer mosquito seasons are keeping it around longer every year. Leishmaniasis was a tropical disease, which is now making it's way into Northern Texas.

Or the spread of species impacting crop growth. South America is struggling with Diamondback moths able to spread their range to new area's. In the US, Johnson grass is the one moving and impacting crops. Studies have found thousands of species moving north every year. Some as much as 12 miles a year.

The ice age that nearly wiped out humans


Say what?

What was the human population on Earth 100,000? And you are aware correct they were not driving cars, had heaters or even invented the wheel yet.


You stupid...



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[jc456]

Yes it has been higher, and scientists have proven that those eras were not conducive to human life. Why would you want to return to them?

Sure, from the Trump administration dept of NASA.

Nasa literally uses the heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and its ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA.

Our space program wouldn't work if CO2 didn't trap heat. You literally have to buy the Flat Earth theory with this conspiracy theory. It's the only way it works, package deal.

You said "scientists have proven that those eras were not conducive to human life".

Why wouldn't it be? Humans are pretty adaptable. If the dinosaurs could live in an environment with 5 times the CO2 as we have currently, why couldn't humans not only survive, thrive.

Mark

Ok, you really don't understand the basics of how animals evolve, and the impacts of quickly changing climates on life on earth do you? I mean there's no way you could have even an elementary knowledge of that and try and say that.

I know that the animals around my area are exposed to temperatures from 30 below to 100 above zero. A small change in the average temperature will do what to them?

Mark

lets see. A lot of scientists much more educated on the subject than you or I have been studying the existing changes and past ones for decades. You are describing weather, not climate. The ice age that nearly wiped out humans and many animals and flora was a 4-6 degree climate change. Archaeologists, climatologists, geneticists, an other scientists working together have discovered earth may have been down to it's last 300 or so breeding pairs of humans at the time. Effects of that climate change have already been seen in changes in growing seasons, species ranges, and patterns of seasonal breeding. It's already caused animals to go extinct.

Most known species of animals have small ranges of climates where they live. And even if they are able to adapt, is their food source able to? Are their predators able to? Will their defense mechanisms still be viable in a new climate?

A grizzly bear might be able to live anywhere from Alaska down to Texas. But for the ones in Alaska, what happens to them as Salmon which have a very low temperature tolerance and already are struggling with the effects of climate change die out or change spawning grounds further north?

And maybe some things will adapt. Indigenous Alaskan tribes used to subsist mostly on seals. Well melting sea ice has made that much harder for them to catch and kill. But the longer warm seasons have caused alder and willow shrubs to grow faster and larger. And Moose and hare's have moved up into the Alaskan arctic and have replaced seals as their diet staples.

And the small things are are the big ones. Malaria is spreading to higher elevations as mosquitos are able to expand into now warmer climates, and longer mosquito seasons are keeping it around longer every year. Leishmaniasis was a tropical disease, which is now making it's way into Northern Texas.

Or the spread of species impacting crop growth. South America is struggling with Diamondback moths able to spread their range to new area's. In the US, Johnson grass is the one moving and impacting crops. Studies have found thousands of species moving north every year. Some as much as 12 miles a year.

a couple of questions, do animals survive temperature swings today? What evidence do you have that a one degree rise let's say, does them in?

SandSquid

 

[SandSquid]

The ice age that nearly wiped out humans


Say what?

What was the human population on Earth 100,000? And you are aware correct they were not driving cars, had heaters or even invented the wheel yet.


You stupid...



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Yes nearly wiped them out.

And I agree, we didn't have heaters and air conditioning, just like everything we eat and and need to survive.

You are aware that the food you eat doesn't grow in climate controlled environments right?

Like are you intentionally trying to be dumb here or is this just who you are?


So back to your question. Do you believe in the Bible, or the heretical anti-Christian talks of Spencer?

 

[Crick]

This thread would be more accurately entitled "Climate Scientists are Crying for You"

 

[Wyatt earp]

The ice age that nearly wiped out humans


Say what?

What was the human population on Earth 100,000? And you are aware correct they were not driving cars, had heaters or even invented the wheel yet.


You stupid...



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Yes nearly wiped them out.

And I agree, we didn't have heaters and air conditioning, just like everything we eat and and need to survive.

You are aware that the food you eat doesn't grow in climate controlled environments right?

Like are you intentionally trying to be dumb here or is this just who you are?


So back to your question. Do you believe in the Bible, or the heretical anti-Christian talks of Spencer?

Once again you moron only like 100,00 humans were on Earth before the fucking ice age...


Let me guess you are one of those anti science weirdo's?

And you can grow food on Mars if you wanted too.



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[Crick]

So back to your question. Do you believe in the Bible, or the heretical anti-Christian talks of Spencer?

Neither. Like most folks. You?

 

[bripat9643]

I love the smell of the Heartland Institute in the morning, it smells like....cherry picking.

Yeah, because so-called "climate scientists" never do that.

 

[Crick]

No. Climate scientists don't do that. You see that far more often from AGW deniers. The actual data doesn't support their argument so they're pretty much forced to lie to make an argument.

 

[cnm]

Yes, Spencer is a creationist and believes in ID.

I had not known that.

 

[cnm]

I love the smell of the Heartland Institute in the morning, it smells like....cherry picking.

Yeah, because so-called "climate scientists" never do that.

Just like they don't usually do PR for tobacco interests. What sort of a mercenary would do that?

 

[bripat9643]

I love the smell of the Heartland Institute in the morning, it smells like....cherry picking.

Yeah, because so-called "climate scientists" never do that.

Just like they don't usually do PR for tobacco interests. What sort of a mercenary would do that?

I was being sarcastic, dumbass. So-called "climate scientists" cherry pick the data all the time.

 

[bripat9643]

No. Climate scientists don't do that. You see that far more often from AGW deniers. The actual data doesn't support their argument so they're pretty much forced to lie to make an argument.

Wrong. So-called "climate scientists" do it all the time. All their data is cherry picked.

 

[Crick]

Yes, Spencer is a creationist and believes in ID.

I had not known that.

He's a long standing signatory and contributing member to the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation. See Roy Spencer and The Evangelical Christian Climate Deniers Behind Marc Morano’s Climate Hustle Documentary