Climate models go cold

[CrusaderFrank]

I can tell by the pattern of lumps that we are in for melting polar ice caps

 

[Quantum Windbag]

From your link:

A better question is why are deniers such pathological liars?

Below is the satellite data collected by deniers Spencer and Christy at the University of Alabama, Huntsville. Notice the decade from 2001 to 2010 is [FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]+.14°C, not level, and that's even after the deniers changed their standard to lower the anomalies by .1[/FONT][FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]°[/FONT][FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]C!!!!!!!![/FONT]

[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica][FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]UAH MSU [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica][FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]TAKE NOTE: From Update 13 Sep 2010 *************************

As an alert, we will be generating anomalies when the December data have been processed to be based on the 30-year mean annual cycle of 1981-2010 to match the 30-year normal time frame of many meteorology anomalies. This will replace the older reference annual cycle of 20-years (1979-1998).[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica][FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]From Update 8 Dec 2010 ************************* [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica][FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]Preliminary runs show that the new mean annual cycle will be about 0.1 C warmer each month for the global averages, meaning all monthly anomalies will appear to decrease by about 0.1 when the new 30-year base period is used (see below).

... End update[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]Temperature Variation From Average:
Lower Troposphere:
Global:
[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]March 2011: -0.10 °C[/FONT]
Northern Hemisphere: -0.07 °C
Southern Hemisphere: -0.13 °C[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]Peak recorded anomaly:
February, 1998: +0.66 °C
Current relative to peak recorded: -0.76 °C [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]DECADAL TREND:
Global: +0.14 °C
Northern Hemisphere: +0.20 °C
Southern Hemisphere: +0.07 °C [/FONT]

There are times I hate being right.

What were the sat temps before 2001?

[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]Colder.[/FONT] The trend from 1979, when satellite measurement began, gives a trend of +0.131°C/decade. That means that each decade was WARMER than the previous decade by +0.131°C, so there was no leveling off since 2001 as the liar you linked to claimed.

Links? Or am I simply supposed to believe you?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yet the glaciers and ice caps continue to melt. And, in spite of the strongest La Nina in forty years, the best the anamoly could do was -0.1. In fact, the lowest point of the running mean for 2011 looks like it will be higher than any high point prior to 1998.

You never will get this will you. The earth doesn't care if it climate is a nice warm place for humans to live in.

Hot, Warm, Cold.

And a silly ass like you cannot fathom that it is us that is creating this change. And the danger is not that the planet does not care about the conditons that the human race has to face, but rather, that the human race is short sighted enough that it does not care what our descendents face. And, judging from what is going on right now, that is the case.

What is creating the change, please enlighten us, keeping in mind that all the computer models assume facts that are demonstrably wrong.

 

[peach174]

The Earth is a living Planet.
It goes through cycles of hot and cold throughout it's history. That is what keeps it a live planet.
The North and South Pole axis changes.
The Magnetic fields flip. Solar flairs become stronger and weaker.
To think that we little old humans can mess with it is outrageous and arrogant.
The Earth does what she wants whether we humans are here or not.
No matter what we humans do or don't do, the changes of the the earth will continue.
In other words - GOING GREEN WILL NOT DO A THING!
WE ARE NOT THE CAUSE!

 

[skookerasbil]

The Earth is a living Planet.
It goes through cycles of hot and cold throughout it's history. That is what keeps it a live planet.
The North and South Pole axis changes.
The Magnetic fields flip. Solar flairs become stronger and weaker.
To think that we little old humans can mess with it is outrageous and arrogant.
The Earth does what she wants whether we humans are here or not.
No matter what we humans do or don't do, the changes of the the earth will continue.
In other words - GOING GREEN WILL NOT DO A THING!
WE ARE NOT THE CAUSE!

"Cause" being the operative word in your post peach................

Fact is, many of these people who desperately cling to this "science" shit, do so because they have found something which provides something meaningful in their lives........not at all unlike the droves who have gone religiously to DC to protest on the mall about war..........about being pro-choice..........etc........etc. Or like the crowds that followed the Grateful Dead all across the country for decades. When that kind of reality is shattered, comes to a halt or is challenged............this is devestating to these types of people because it is their being.

Think about somebody like Old Rocks? Tell me this guy wouldnt throw himself off a bridge if the global warming hoax were completely exposed. Chris? This is THEIR WHOLE LIFE!!!
C'mon..........lets call a spade a spade. When you make 14 million posts in one forum in two years, you got some issues.


Accordingly.....Im compelled to not allow what is essentially an OCD thing to fcukk-up the minds of those naive folks who wander in here looking for an objective truth..............so I HAVE to out-absurd the profoundly absurd. Its never really about the science for these people. Its always been about perpetuating a concept for the purpose of self-preservation!!!

 

[peach174]

People really should use they heads.
Everyone knows that the weathermen on TV are hardly ever right and everyone complains about it, and where do they get their information from? Climatologists.
And who is studying climate change ? Climatologists.
If they can't predict the everyday weather , why in the world should we believe anything about global warming?
Good Grief Charlie Brown!!!!!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

People really should use they heads.
Everyone knows that the weathermen on TV are hardly ever right and everyone complains about it, and where do they get their information from? Climatologists.
And who is studying climate change ? Climatologists.
If they can't predict the everyday weather , why in the world should we believe anything about global warming?
Good Grief Charlie Brown!!!!!!!

just for you peachy................

 

[peach174]

People really should use they heads.
Everyone knows that the weathermen on TV are hardly ever right and everyone complains about it, and where do they get their information from? Climatologists.
And who is studying climate change ? Climatologists.
If they can't predict the everyday weather , why in the world should we believe anything about global warming?
Good Grief Charlie Brown!!!!!!!

just for you peachy................

Very good!!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

People really should use they heads.
Everyone knows that the weathermen on TV are hardly ever right and everyone complains about it, and where do they get their information from? Climatologists.
And who is studying climate change ? Climatologists.
If they can't predict the everyday weather , why in the world should we believe anything about global warming?
Good Grief Charlie Brown!!!!!!!

just for you peachy................

Very good!!!!

kinda hits the nail on the old noggin

 

[The T]

People really should use they heads.
Everyone knows that the weathermen on TV are hardly ever right and everyone complains about it, and where do they get their information from? Climatologists.
And who is studying climate change ? Climatologists.
If they can't predict the everyday weather , why in the world should we believe anything about global warming?
Good Grief Charlie Brown!!!!!!!

First man needs to learn that he, and his role on this planet are insignifigant. The Earth is gonna do what it will whether WE are here or not.

The Climate Change worshipers are just vain, arrogant fools.

 

[edthecynic]

Seems that the area with the best temperature recording capability disagrees with that assesment. Even the warmists have to admit the US has seen no warming.

A look at mid tropospheric temps vs the lower level temps reveals that globally, the atmosphere is more unstable because of the deep level cooling that has taken place! Its that simple. The cooling in the low levels has not yet caught up to what is going on aloft, and because of that, the way to balance that out is in the form of more atmospheric fights.

And there we see the deniers move the goalposts once their lies are exposed.

The OP's link was talking about GLOBAL temps and how SATELLITES read nearly the whole globe WITHOUT BIAS, and now suddenly it's the US and not the globe that has seen no warming, and only that US data is accurate because the US has the best GROUND station capabilities.

And as I predicted way back when deniers Christy and Spencer were cooking the lower troposphere satellite data by using the wrong sign to correct for diurnal satellite drift, that as soon as the lower troposphere data no longer supported their global cooling claims, the deniers would move away from using the lower troposphere to the mid and/or upper troposphere.

The rest of your post is a feeble attempt to divert the thread. FAIL!

Look at the first link nimrod. Only one level is warming, the others are cooling.....the ones closest to the ground. The point about the US not warming is telling. Don't you think it odd that the country that has the best temp recording ability is showing no warming? How is it the only places that show warming are those areas with little ability to record temps? In other words the only places that are warming are those where there are no thermometers.

From the first link

The official thermometers are often located in the warm exhaust of air conditioning outlets, over hot tarmac at airports where they get blasts of hot air from jet engines, at waste-water plants where they get warmth from decomposing sewage, or in hot cities choked with cars and buildings. Global warming is measured in 10ths of a degree, so any extra heating nudge is important. In the United States, nearly 90% of official thermometers surveyed by volunteers violate official siting requirements that they not be too close to an artificial heating source.

Global temperature is also measured by satellites, which measure nearly the whole planet 24/7 without bias. The satellites say the hottest recent year was 1998, and that since 2001 the global temperature has levelled off. Why does official science track only the surface thermometer results and not mention the satellite results?

The first link you refer to says that those ground thermometers, no matter where they are, are not as accurate as the satellites and implies that it is dishonest to use the data that you use and not to use the satellite data. The exact same satellite sensors that read the US also read Europe, Asia, Africa, etc., so that completely trashes your rationalization for using only the US temperature, which makes up only 2% of the globe, for the temperature of the whole globe.

 

[whitehall]

The so-called "scientists" who are involved in the global warming scam are just like you and me. If they depended on federal grants to send their kids to an Ivy League college they would find a way to prove that bigfoot built the pyramids and keep that taxpayer money flowing.

 

[uscitizen]

These climate models are not too cold looking to me.

Models Strip For Climate Change

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

People really should use they heads.
Everyone knows that the weathermen on TV are hardly ever right and everyone complains about it, and where do they get their information from? Climatologists.
And who is studying climate change ? Climatologists.

Weathermen get their information from METEOROLOGISTS.

Take my advice. You are FAR too stupid to be commenting on issues of scientific interest.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

First man needs to learn that he, and his role on this planet are insignifigant.

Really? Tell that to these people

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The various methods of measuring temperature, as well as the various methods use to "smooth" the data.

Can you be more specific?

 

[Mr_Rockhead]

You never will get this will you. The earth doesn't care if it climate is a nice warm place for humans to live in.

Hot, Warm, Cold.

True, but irrelevant. If it was just the earth fine, we'd have to cope. But what happens if GHGs continue to rise? How could one expect anything but warming? Where are the gases coming from, if not from man?

Who cares. When CO2 levels were 20 times higher the temps were only 10 to fifteen degrees warmer. Oh yeah the planet thrived. All life did well. Well there were a couple of forams that died out but that is most probably due to local conditions. The rest of the biosphere saw rapid diversification and life ran rampant.

And then there’s this: when I got out of work yesterday morning, it was 44 but, when I went to bed in the afternoon, it was 71.

That’s a 27 degree rise in just a few hours and, when compared to our winter and summer temperatures, that’s actually a fairly moderate rise.

So it seems to me the earth and its inhabitants are well suited to adapt to temperature changes.

It also seems to me that we should be very careful about giving too much power to those who have such a huge financial stake in making sure we believe otherwise.

 

[skookerasbil]

First man needs to learn that he, and his role on this planet are insignifigant.

Really? Tell that to these people

and the point is?????????????????

 

[peach174]

People really should use they heads.
Everyone knows that the weathermen on TV are hardly ever right and everyone complains about it, and where do they get their information from? Climatologists.
And who is studying climate change ? Climatologists.

Weathermen get their information from METEOROLOGISTS.

Take my advice. You are FAR too stupid to be commenting on issues of scientific interest.

Meteorologists use climate models when they don't have enough data.
Both Meteorologists and Climatologist's admits that they don't have as much data as they would like to really understand long-term climate.
And Remember name calling gets you nowhere. It accomplishes nothing.

 

[Old Rocks]

OK, Peaches, the physicists state, without reservation, the CO2 is a GHG. We have increased the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere by 40%. Do you think that has no consequences?

We are observing the rapid heating of the arctic, after centuries of a slow decline in temperatures there. At the same time, around the world, the alpine glaciers are in rapid retreat. The ocean is becoming more acidic, creating stress at the very base of the food chain, because of the increase in the CO2 in the water. And, worldwide, the temperatures are climbing and we are observing the climate beginning to change in the major bread baskets in the world.

But let us just play stupid and keep repeating that scientists are dumb asses that really don't know as much as obese junkie radio jocks. Yeah, that the idea!