Climate Change Deniers Debunked

[flacaltenn]

What's funny is how the 2 of you are the same kind of naive and unreachable. Have you been in the stacks of the stacks of the Nat Archive lately Dotty?

You both do realize that by your reasoning -- Santa Claus must be real as well. Because the Military tracks his progress around the world and scrambles jets to escort him and the reindeer thru the hotspots of the world.

Saw the officers do it with my own eyes..

 

[Liminal]

Feel free to explain how nearly every civilized nation on earth officially agrees with the science of global climate change. How did that happen? Did they all meet one day at Applebees to plan this diabolical conspiracy? Have the real scientists been silenced and the truth suppressed?

Nope.. They meet at the UN every few years to present ONLY the Climate science relevent to MAN-CAUSED Global Warming. Then they all try to mug the industrialized world for money.

These "position statements by professional society are never voted on by the membership. They are drafted by the front office to ADMIT their bias and pledge their loyalties to all their sponsors. Like the BILLIONS of research dollars available IF --- you can swallow your pride and make your work SOUND like their prepackaged conclusion that man is wrecking the planet and money and power is required to fix that.

In fact -- 2nd data pt. The Geological Society of Australia had a Global Warming/Climate Policy Statement for YEARS.. Revised several times all without input from the membership. Last time they tried to revise it -- the membership demanded to be involved. They no longer HAVE a policy statement on Climate Change. Worthless as a Congressional Investigation I tell you.. Not like in the movies where the society members all meet in the Old Harvard lecture hall and hammer out a proclamation of truth.

I sense you're not really interested in learning this kind of conflicting information. Seriously,

DID you really think those policy positions are NOT political?

That must be why the military planners of all the industrialized nations are making contingency plans based on global climate change scenarios. Maybe they just don't have anything better to do, you know since they aren't concerned about terrorism or Chinese expansionism, or Russian resurgence. They must be thinking about stuff like that because it's stylish and trendy. You know how liberal those military guys can be.

Obviously, you're oblivious to the model of inefficiency that is our Federal Govt. Good bet would be that you LOVE yourself more of this kind of "military preparedness"..

That plan is right up there with the Alien Invasion Contingency Plan and the Return of Jesus Plan that Ronald Reagan required of them.

Are you that naive? Do you not know the effect of mandate requiring all Federal Agencies to address and be sensitive to a myriad of "favorite memes of the day"..

Do you really think the Coast Guard cadets that had to suffer thru 1/2 an hour of Obama explaining to them why Global Warming was one of their most serious missions?

The day the Defense Dept develops a battle cross for meritorious service in the Climate Change cause because those CG cadets got a sunburn on patrol --- send me a PM.... 0.5degC change in your lifetime and you believe this is a military crisis? ARE YOU DAFT?

See, I knew we had an expert on military planning here.
Looks like we're back to conspiracy theories then.

I know right? I was in the military too. Funny.

Me too. Why weren't we told about these ongoing conspiracies to conceal the truth about climate change? Maybe we just weren't high enough in the chain of command to have access to that kind of classified information. I wonder if Edward Snowden could tell us?

 

[edthecynic]

And yet only the adjusted data sets show warming... If you take the raw data and analyze it we have been cooling since the mid 1970's

Whom to believe.. Data manipulators and activists or the raw unaltered data....???

Again there has been no warming for over 18 years 6 months..

And the satellite Data confirms it.

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A perfect example of how the deniers LIE!
They lie that we have been cooling since the 1970s and then compound that lie by lying that the satellite data "confirms" it, but only post cherry picked data starting 2001, not the mid 1970s because they know they are lying. Deniers are premeditated liars!

There is not one single satellite data set, raw or otherwise, starting in the 1970s that shows cooling!

The reality is there has been no statistically significant global cooling for 115 years and 5 months.

 

[IanC]

No.. Simply "deniers" are pointing out the exaggerations and claims that were DESIGNED to misleading in order to further a socio-political agenda. And it's really not hard to do.. For instance..

Do you know about IPCC? Have you read their simple "mission statement"? Do you think that they are a purveyor of OBJECTIVE Climate science with the obvious bias in their mission statement. The "agenda" ain't hidden. It's right there in your face. Every time that some politician declares that "the science is over".. The only thing that's over is the free ride these scientists have had being used and rewarded as political tools..

So then we are apparently supposed to believe that there exists an international conspiracy of scientists and governments to suppress the truth about global climate change. Is that right?

Of course !! It's not hidden. It's in your face. Now I'm gonna give you one data point. The significance of that data is the following. Once you read the quote below -- you can honestly claim to be totally ignorant of ANY statements admitting the true socio-political agenda behind the Global Warming Extravaganza.

The guy is a lead "investigator" for the IPCC. A "Climate Economics" specialist. And he sits in approval meetings for the scientific "consensus" statements coming out of that grand body..

Climate Talks or Wealth Redistribution Talks

NZZ: De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

Edenhofer: First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Poof -- If youre honest -- you are innoculated from your innocent view of Global Warming hype.

Feel free to explain how nearly every civilized nation on earth officially agrees with the science of global climate change. How did that happen? Did they all meet one day at Applebees to plan this diabolical conspiracy? Have the real scientists been silenced and the truth suppressed?

Nope.. They meet at the UN every few years to present ONLY the Climate science relevent to MAN-CAUSED Global Warming. Then they all try to mug the industrialized world for money.

These "position statements by professional society are never voted on by the membership. They are drafted by the front office to ADMIT their bias and pledge their loyalties to all their sponsors. Like the BILLIONS of research dollars available IF --- you can swallow your pride and make your work SOUND like their prepackaged conclusion that man is wrecking the planet and money and power is required to fix that.

In fact -- 2nd data pt. The Geological Society of Australia had a Global Warming/Climate Policy Statement for YEARS.. Revised several times all without input from the membership. Last time they tried to revise it -- the membership demanded to be involved. They no longer HAVE a policy statement on Climate Change. Worthless as a Congressional Investigation I tell you.. Not like in the movies where the society members all meet in the Old Harvard lecture hall and hammer out a proclamation of truth.

I sense you're not really interested in learning this kind of conflicting information. Seriously,

DID you really think those policy positions are NOT political?

That must be why the military planners of all the industrialized nations are making contingency plans based on global climate change scenarios. Maybe they just don't have anything better to do, you know since they aren't concerned about terrorism or Chinese expansionism, or Russian resurgence. They must be thinking about stuff like that because it's stylish and trendy. You know how liberal those military guys can be.

hahahahaha. yup, stylish and trendy. here is a report from the mid-70s when global cooling was all the rage. when you read the report it seems like everything that was caused by cooling then, is caused by warming now!

http://www.climatemonitor.it/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/1974.pdf

 

[Crick]

It was never "all the rage" anywhere outside the pages of Newsweek and Time.

And I would find it a serious disappointment were you to think such a comment is a meaningful rebuttal of the evidence for AGW that climate science has found.

 

[IanC]

It was never "all the rage" anywhere outside the pages of Newsweek and Time.

And I would find it a serious disappointment were you to think such a comment is a meaningful rebuttal of the evidence for AGW that climate science has found.

wow. I guess you didnt live through that era.

http://www.climatemonitor.it/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/1974.pdf

this CIA report starts with a summary. simply read the first paragraph.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It went from global cooling to global warming to climate change all in the space of 30 years yet they insist the science is settled.

Lol

 

[Liminal]

What's funny is how the 2 of you are the same kind of naive and unreachable. Have you been in the stacks of the stacks of the Nat Archive lately Dotty?

You both do realize that by your reasoning -- Santa Claus must be real as well. Because the Military tracks his progress around the world and scrambles jets to escort him and the reindeer thru the hotspots of the world.

Saw the officers do it with my own eyes..

Sounds like you know almost as much about military operations as you do about the science of climate change.

 

[bripat9643]

Here are eight reasons why.

Eight Pseudoscientific Climate Claims Debunked by Real Scientists BillMoyers.com

Yes, the planet HAS stopped warming. The data manipulation that the warmers have had to resort too is all the evidence you need to show that that is a fact.

Projection, prediction..... Are we arguing over what the definition of "is" is?

The temperature reading used to be. Now that there has been wholesale data falsification that is no longer true.

Who gives a shit. Consensus is the language of politics, not science.

Actually, yes it is the Suns fault.

This is correct. There currently is no global cooling. Wait a few years though and there WILL be a discernible marker.

Yes it has been MUCH warmer. So why try to hide that fact?

Yes, the Antarctic sea ice is increasing. So is most of the Ice sheet itself. The one exception being the peninsula. A small percentage of the whole continent.

This link is one hell of a fail....

If there were only some way for you to put all this information into some kind of context. I wonder who we could ask?

Trust me on this one Luminal. There is no EASY way to get to the bottom of this issue. The context is often YEARS of carefully listening to the news and research..

Keep tuned in. Let us know what background info you might need..

When I find someone who's expertise didn't come from TV or the internet, I'll be sure to do that.

That would rule you out, wouldn't it?

 

[bripat9643]

Oh and by the way, you can't find anywhere near half of what's in print on some subjects on the internet.

Bullshit. You can get most of the books published these days on Kindle.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

And yet only the adjusted data sets show warming... If you take the raw data and analyze it we have been cooling since the mid 1970's

Whom to believe.. Data manipulators and activists or the raw unaltered data....???

Again there has been no warming for over 18 years 6 months..

And the satellite Data confirms it.

View attachment 41608

A perfect example of how the deniers LIE!
They lie that we have been cooling since the 1970s and then compound that lie by lying that the satellite data "confirms" it, but only post cherry picked data starting 2001, not the mid 1970s because they know they are lying. Deniers are premeditated liars!

There is not one single satellite data set, raw or otherwise, starting in the 1970s that shows cooling!

The reality is there has been no statistically significant global cooling for 115 years and 5 months.

^ Chart shows no warming the past 2 decades

 

[Liminal]

Oh and by the way, you can't find anywhere near half of what's in print on some subjects on the internet.

Bullshit. You can get most of the books published these days on Kindle.

Holy shit, looks like a whole generation of people who don't know anything about anything.

 

[bripat9643]

Oh and by the way, you can't find anywhere near half of what's in print on some subjects on the internet.

Bullshit. You can get most of the books published these days on Kindle.

Holy shit, looks like a whole generation of people who don't know anything about anything.

ROFL! Holly shit, it looks like the AGW cult never bought a book on Amazon before.

 

[Liminal]

Oh and by the way, you can't find anywhere near half of what's in print on some subjects on the internet.

Bullshit. You can get most of the books published these days on Kindle.

Holy shit, looks like a whole generation of people who don't know anything about anything.

ROFL! Holly shit, it looks like the AGW cult never bought a book on Amazon before.

I'd love to see all the research you've done at the National Archives through Amazon and Kindle.

 

[Liminal]

Here are eight reasons why.

Eight Pseudoscientific Climate Claims Debunked by Real Scientists BillMoyers.com

Yes, the planet HAS stopped warming. The data manipulation that the warmers have had to resort too is all the evidence you need to show that that is a fact.

Projection, prediction..... Are we arguing over what the definition of "is" is?

The temperature reading used to be. Now that there has been wholesale data falsification that is no longer true.

Who gives a shit. Consensus is the language of politics, not science.

Actually, yes it is the Suns fault.

This is correct. There currently is no global cooling. Wait a few years though and there WILL be a discernible marker.

Yes it has been MUCH warmer. So why try to hide that fact?

Yes, the Antarctic sea ice is increasing. So is most of the Ice sheet itself. The one exception being the peninsula. A small percentage of the whole continent.

This link is one hell of a fail....

If there were only some way for you to put all this information into some kind of context. I wonder who we could ask?

Context? Whatever do you mean dear child?

Context? You know, the kind of context you can get from people with actual knowledge, people with some kind of background in science. Know what I mean?

I merely pointed out that assertions made in the link, with one exception, were not factual. That's all the context a scientist ever needs.

Yes, I'm sure your credentials give you enough latitude to determine what the facts are without having to bother with substantiating anything.

 

[Liminal]

It was never "all the rage" anywhere outside the pages of Newsweek and Time.

And I would find it a serious disappointment were you to think such a comment is a meaningful rebuttal of the evidence for AGW that climate science has found.

wow. I guess you didnt live through that era.

http://www.climatemonitor.it/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/1974.pdf

this CIA report starts with a summary. simply read the first paragraph.

Feel free to explain how this report from the seventies refutes the science of 2015.

 

[bripat9643]

Oh and by the way, you can't find anywhere near half of what's in print on some subjects on the internet.

Bullshit. You can get most of the books published these days on Kindle.

Holy shit, looks like a whole generation of people who don't know anything about anything.

ROFL! Holly shit, it looks like the AGW cult never bought a book on Amazon before.

I'd love to see all the research you've done at the National Archives through Amazon and Kindle.

The National Archives aren't the only place you can find information about the global warming hoax.

 

[Liminal]

Oh and by the way, you can't find anywhere near half of what's in print on some subjects on the internet.

Bullshit. You can get most of the books published these days on Kindle.

Holy shit, looks like a whole generation of people who don't know anything about anything.

ROFL! Holly shit, it looks like the AGW cult never bought a book on Amazon before.

I'd love to see all the research you've done at the National Archives through Amazon and Kindle.

The National Archives aren't the only place you can find information about the global warming hoax.

I'm sure you can find all the information you need about that on Kindle.

 

[bripat9643]

Bullshit. You can get most of the books published these days on Kindle.

Holy shit, looks like a whole generation of people who don't know anything about anything.

ROFL! Holly shit, it looks like the AGW cult never bought a book on Amazon before.

I'd love to see all the research you've done at the National Archives through Amazon and Kindle.

The National Archives aren't the only place you can find information about the global warming hoax.

I'm sure you can find all the information you need about that on Kindle.

I can find it the same way you found your AGW propaganda, by searching the internet.

 

[jc456]

Here are eight reasons why.

Eight Pseudoscientific Climate Claims Debunked by Real Scientists BillMoyers.com

Yes, the planet HAS stopped warming. The data manipulation that the warmers have had to resort too is all the evidence you need to show that that is a fact.

Projection, prediction..... Are we arguing over what the definition of "is" is?

The temperature reading used to be. Now that there has been wholesale data falsification that is no longer true.

Who gives a shit. Consensus is the language of politics, not science.

Actually, yes it is the Suns fault.

This is correct. There currently is no global cooling. Wait a few years though and there WILL be a discernible marker.

Yes it has been MUCH warmer. So why try to hide that fact?

Yes, the Antarctic sea ice is increasing. So is most of the Ice sheet itself. The one exception being the peninsula. A small percentage of the whole continent.

This link is one hell of a fail....

If there were only some way for you to put all this information into some kind of context. I wonder who we could ask?

Context? Whatever do you mean dear child?

Context? You know, the kind of context you can get from people with actual knowledge, people with some kind of background in science. Know what I mean?

you mean someone besides you, right?