Climate Change Deniers Debunked

[flacaltenn]

Oh and by the way, you can't find anywhere near half of what's in print on some subjects on the internet.

And half of what's been in print is redundant. How many Thermodynamics or Calculus books do you need? How many have been in print?
(Largely the same economic scam as every new improved IPhone -- Professors gotta eat. Students shouldn't be reading textbooks by dead people and publishers need to have new products.)

No reason to suspect that an ONLINE textbook is incomplete or inferior. Otherwise, there would still be bookstores at Universities. Or haven't you discovered that there aren't any anymore (for the most part -- unless they have huge revenue on NCAA apparel and a joint deal with Barnes and Nobel..

As for citations to older journal articles. You can have somebody fetch it for you and deliver it cheap -- right over the internet.

I have a hard time getting my societies to continue to send me print versions of journals. You have a check the "I'm an old fart paper delivery" box.

How about you?

 

[Liminal]

Oh and by the way, you can't find anywhere near half of what's in print on some subjects on the internet.

And half of what's been in print is redundant. How many Thermodynamics or Calculus books do you need? How many have been in print?
(Largely the same economic scam as every new improved IPhone -- Professors gotta eat. Students shouldn't be reading textbooks by dead people and publishers need to have new products.)

No reason to suspect that an ONLINE textbook is incomplete or inferior. Otherwise, there would still be bookstores at Universities. Or haven't you discovered that there aren't any anymore (for the most part -- unless they have huge revenue on NCAA apparel and a joint deal with Barnes and Nobel..

As for citations to older journal articles. You can have somebody fetch it for you and deliver it cheap -- right over the internet.

I have a hard time getting my societies to continue to send me print versions of journals. You have a check the "I'm an old fart paper delivery" box.

How about you?

Half of what's in print is redundant? Hilarious, I thought for a moment you were being serious.

 

[flacaltenn]

Oh and by the way, you can't find anywhere near half of what's in print on some subjects on the internet.

And half of what's been in print is redundant. How many Thermodynamics or Calculus books do you need? How many have been in print?
(Largely the same economic scam as every new improved IPhone -- Professors gotta eat. Students shouldn't be reading textbooks by dead people and publishers need to have new products.)

No reason to suspect that an ONLINE textbook is incomplete or inferior. Otherwise, there would still be bookstores at Universities. Or haven't you discovered that there aren't any anymore (for the most part -- unless they have huge revenue on NCAA apparel and a joint deal with Barnes and Nobel..

As for citations to older journal articles. You can have somebody fetch it for you and deliver it cheap -- right over the internet.

I have a hard time getting my societies to continue to send me print versions of journals. You have a check the "I'm an old fart paper delivery" box.

How about you?

 

[Liminal]

Oh and by the way, you can't find anywhere near half of what's in print on some subjects on the internet.

And half of what's been in print is redundant. How many Thermodynamics or Calculus books do you need? How many have been in print?
(Largely the same economic scam as every new improved IPhone -- Professors gotta eat. Students shouldn't be reading textbooks by dead people and publishers need to have new products.)

No reason to suspect that an ONLINE textbook is incomplete or inferior. Otherwise, there would still be bookstores at Universities. Or haven't you discovered that there aren't any anymore (for the most part -- unless they have huge revenue on NCAA apparel and a joint deal with Barnes and Nobel..

As for citations to older journal articles. You can have somebody fetch it for you and deliver it cheap -- right over the internet.

I have a hard time getting my societies to continue to send me print versions of journals. You have a check the "I'm an old fart paper delivery" box.

How about you?

I'm sorry your access to knowledge has been so limited.

 

[flacaltenn]

Trust me on this one Luminal. There is no EASY way to get to the bottom of this issue. The context is often YEARS of carefully listening to the news and research..

Keep tuned in. Let us know what background info you might need..

When I find someone who's expertise didn't come from TV or the internet, I'll be sure to do that.

So you think my knowledge of the topic comes from TV? Got news for you.. Libraries are yesterday. Today science and technology is discussed, developed and distributed by the Internet. Or didntcha notice that?

I can shop 40 university libraries and research institutes right from this very chair.. AND I do that often.. But enough about me. What do YOU believe about the hysteria and intense exaggerations of Global Warming?

And what do you think a Denier believes?

The apparent basis for your argument is that climate change deniers base all their conclusions on science, while everyone who disagrees with them has to be politically motivated or simply naive. I'm saying that no part of that argument has ever, in any way, been substantiated by anyone.

No.. Simply "deniers" are pointing out the exaggerations and claims that were DESIGNED to misleading in order to further a socio-political agenda. And it's really not hard to do.. For instance..

Do you know about IPCC? Have you read their simple "mission statement"? Do you think that they are a purveyor of OBJECTIVE Climate science with the obvious bias in their mission statement. The "agenda" ain't hidden. It's right there in your face. Every time that some politician declares that "the science is over".. The only thing that's over is the free ride these scientists have had being used and rewarded as political tools..

So then we are apparently supposed to believe that there exists an international conspiracy of scientists and governments to suppress the truth about global climate change. Is that right?

Of course !! It's not hidden. It's in your face. Now I'm gonna give you one data point. The significance of that data is the following. Once you read the quote below -- you can no longer honestly claim to be totally ignorant of ANY statements admitting the true socio-political agenda behind the Global Warming Extravaganza.

The guy is a lead "investigator" for the IPCC. A "Climate Economics" specialist. And he sits in approval meetings for the scientific "consensus" statements coming out of that grand body..

Climate Talks or Wealth Redistribution Talks

NZZ: De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

Edenhofer: First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Poof -- If youre honest -- you are innoculated from your innocent view of Global Warming hype.

 

[Liminal]

Oh and by the way, you can't find anywhere near half of what's in print on some subjects on the internet.

And half of what's been in print is redundant. How many Thermodynamics or Calculus books do you need? How many have been in print?
(Largely the same economic scam as every new improved IPhone -- Professors gotta eat. Students shouldn't be reading textbooks by dead people and publishers need to have new products.)

No reason to suspect that an ONLINE textbook is incomplete or inferior. Otherwise, there would still be bookstores at Universities. Or haven't you discovered that there aren't any anymore (for the most part -- unless they have huge revenue on NCAA apparel and a joint deal with Barnes and Nobel..

As for citations to older journal articles. You can have somebody fetch it for you and deliver it cheap -- right over the internet.

I have a hard time getting my societies to continue to send me print versions of journals. You have a check the "I'm an old fart paper delivery" box.

How about you?

Ever been to the National Archives? I have. Can you guess what you'll find there? Millions of documents, journals and books that you can't get on the internet.

 

[Liminal]

When I find someone who's expertise didn't come from TV or the internet, I'll be sure to do that.

So you think my knowledge of the topic comes from TV? Got news for you.. Libraries are yesterday. Today science and technology is discussed, developed and distributed by the Internet. Or didntcha notice that?

I can shop 40 university libraries and research institutes right from this very chair.. AND I do that often.. But enough about me. What do YOU believe about the hysteria and intense exaggerations of Global Warming?

And what do you think a Denier believes?

The apparent basis for your argument is that climate change deniers base all their conclusions on science, while everyone who disagrees with them has to be politically motivated or simply naive. I'm saying that no part of that argument has ever, in any way, been substantiated by anyone.

No.. Simply "deniers" are pointing out the exaggerations and claims that were DESIGNED to misleading in order to further a socio-political agenda. And it's really not hard to do.. For instance..

Do you know about IPCC? Have you read their simple "mission statement"? Do you think that they are a purveyor of OBJECTIVE Climate science with the obvious bias in their mission statement. The "agenda" ain't hidden. It's right there in your face. Every time that some politician declares that "the science is over".. The only thing that's over is the free ride these scientists have had being used and rewarded as political tools..

So then we are apparently supposed to believe that there exists an international conspiracy of scientists and governments to suppress the truth about global climate change. Is that right?

Of course !! It's not hidden. It's in your face. Now I'm gonna give you one data point. The significance of that data is the following. Once you read the quote below -- you can honestly claim to be totally ignorant of ANY statements admitting the true socio-political agenda behind the Global Warming Extravaganza.

The guy is a lead "investigator" for the IPCC. A "Climate Economics" specialist. And he sits in approval meetings for the scientific "consensus" statements coming out of that grand body..

Climate Talks or Wealth Redistribution Talks

NZZ: De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

Edenhofer: First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Poof -- If youre honest -- you are innoculated from your innocent view of Global Warming hype.

Feel free to explain how nearly every civilized nation on earth officially agrees with the science of global climate change. How did that happen? Did they all meet one day at Applebees to plan this diabolical conspiracy? Have the real scientists been silenced and the truth suppressed?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Context? Whatever do you mean dear child?

Context? You know, the kind of context you can get from people with actual knowledge, people with some kind of background in science. Know what I mean?

Not asked of me, but..........................when the so called who's who of Climate change get caught Lying.........time and time again...........................why the hell should anyone trust them anymore................

Is that the current FOX News version?

LOL

On many posts the data and emails and raw data changes are reported.............Not doing it again..............

If they have to change the data to get graphs to support their position then they are worthless..............

Even Nasa screwed up the data...............at least they finally admitted it...........and then on the very thread I posted it on...............the same cult posters still denied it...............even after showing them that NASA was saying they screwed up.

Also too many predictions aren't coming true...............but the green backs by the Billions keep going to them................so they Lie Lie Lie.

Yes, I understand the contrived narrative.

OH look a useful idiot... one that couldn't find his ass with both hands... NO facts, just adhom attacks... Doesn't present evidence just belittles and spouts crap..

 

[Liminal]

Context? You know, the kind of context you can get from people with actual knowledge, people with some kind of background in science. Know what I mean?

Not asked of me, but..........................when the so called who's who of Climate change get caught Lying.........time and time again...........................why the hell should anyone trust them anymore................

Is that the current FOX News version?

LOL

On many posts the data and emails and raw data changes are reported.............Not doing it again..............

If they have to change the data to get graphs to support their position then they are worthless..............

Even Nasa screwed up the data...............at least they finally admitted it...........and then on the very thread I posted it on...............the same cult posters still denied it...............even after showing them that NASA was saying they screwed up.

Also too many predictions aren't coming true...............but the green backs by the Billions keep going to them................so they Lie Lie Lie.

Yes, I understand the contrived narrative.

OH look a useful idiot... one that couldn't find his ass with both hands... NO facts, just adhom attacks... Doesn't present evidence just belittles and spouts crap..

Unlike some people, I don't pretend to understand the evidence. That's why you don't see me presenting any, I post links and let people draw their own conclusions.

 

[Billy_Bob]

So you think my knowledge of the topic comes from TV? Got news for you.. Libraries are yesterday. Today science and technology is discussed, developed and distributed by the Internet. Or didntcha notice that?

I can shop 40 university libraries and research institutes right from this very chair.. AND I do that often.. But enough about me. What do YOU believe about the hysteria and intense exaggerations of Global Warming?

And what do you think a Denier believes?

The apparent basis for your argument is that climate change deniers base all their conclusions on science, while everyone who disagrees with them has to be politically motivated or simply naive. I'm saying that no part of that argument has ever, in any way, been substantiated by anyone.

No.. Simply "deniers" are pointing out the exaggerations and claims that were DESIGNED to misleading in order to further a socio-political agenda. And it's really not hard to do.. For instance..

Do you know about IPCC? Have you read their simple "mission statement"? Do you think that they are a purveyor of OBJECTIVE Climate science with the obvious bias in their mission statement. The "agenda" ain't hidden. It's right there in your face. Every time that some politician declares that "the science is over".. The only thing that's over is the free ride these scientists have had being used and rewarded as political tools..

So then we are apparently supposed to believe that there exists an international conspiracy of scientists and governments to suppress the truth about global climate change. Is that right?

Of course !! It's not hidden. It's in your face. Now I'm gonna give you one data point. The significance of that data is the following. Once you read the quote below -- you can honestly claim to be totally ignorant of ANY statements admitting the true socio-political agenda behind the Global Warming Extravaganza.

The guy is a lead "investigator" for the IPCC. A "Climate Economics" specialist. And he sits in approval meetings for the scientific "consensus" statements coming out of that grand body..

Climate Talks or Wealth Redistribution Talks

NZZ: De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

Edenhofer: First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Poof -- If youre honest -- you are innoculated from your innocent view of Global Warming hype.

Feel free to explain how nearly every civilized nation on earth officially agrees with the science of global climate change. How did that happen? Did they all meet one day at Applebees to plan this diabolical conspiracy? Have the real scientists been silenced and the truth suppressed?

Another post of crap... Not a single lick of fact... Where do you come up with your lies and deceit? Motherjones? HOTWHOPPER? the DNC? or some socialist crap organization like the IPCC who admitted that its all about power and wealth redistribution...

 

[Billy_Bob]

Not asked of me, but..........................when the so called who's who of Climate change get caught Lying.........time and time again...........................why the hell should anyone trust them anymore................

Is that the current FOX News version?

LOL

On many posts the data and emails and raw data changes are reported.............Not doing it again..............

If they have to change the data to get graphs to support their position then they are worthless..............

Even Nasa screwed up the data...............at least they finally admitted it...........and then on the very thread I posted it on...............the same cult posters still denied it...............even after showing them that NASA was saying they screwed up.

Also too many predictions aren't coming true...............but the green backs by the Billions keep going to them................so they Lie Lie Lie.

Yes, I understand the contrived narrative.

OH look a useful idiot... one that couldn't find his ass with both hands... NO facts, just adhom attacks... Doesn't present evidence just belittles and spouts crap..

Unlike some people, I don't pretend to understand the evidence. That's why you don't see me presenting any, I post links and let people draw their own conclusions.

AH yes the "I know better than you and you will do as I say" fuck face mantra.. You have proven you do not know shit about anything. You are simply a left wit troll who uses Alyinsky tactic in an effort to silence people..

 

[Liminal]

Is that the current FOX News version?

LOL

On many posts the data and emails and raw data changes are reported.............Not doing it again..............

If they have to change the data to get graphs to support their position then they are worthless..............

Even Nasa screwed up the data...............at least they finally admitted it...........and then on the very thread I posted it on...............the same cult posters still denied it...............even after showing them that NASA was saying they screwed up.

Also too many predictions aren't coming true...............but the green backs by the Billions keep going to them................so they Lie Lie Lie.

Yes, I understand the contrived narrative.

OH look a useful idiot... one that couldn't find his ass with both hands... NO facts, just adhom attacks... Doesn't present evidence just belittles and spouts crap..

Unlike some people, I don't pretend to understand the evidence. That's why you don't see me presenting any, I post links and let people draw their own conclusions.

AH yes the "I know better than you and you will do as I say" fuck face mantra.. You have proven you do not know shit about anything. You are simply a left wit troll who uses Alyinsky tactic in an effort to silence people..

That doesn't even make sense. You must be responding to some other post. Did you just wander onto the wrong thread by mistake?

 

[Dot Com]

Here are eight reasons why.

Eight Pseudoscientific Climate Claims Debunked by Real Scientists BillMoyers.com

I know right?

Hard facts.

 

[flacaltenn]

So you think my knowledge of the topic comes from TV? Got news for you.. Libraries are yesterday. Today science and technology is discussed, developed and distributed by the Internet. Or didntcha notice that?

I can shop 40 university libraries and research institutes right from this very chair.. AND I do that often.. But enough about me. What do YOU believe about the hysteria and intense exaggerations of Global Warming?

And what do you think a Denier believes?

The apparent basis for your argument is that climate change deniers base all their conclusions on science, while everyone who disagrees with them has to be politically motivated or simply naive. I'm saying that no part of that argument has ever, in any way, been substantiated by anyone.

No.. Simply "deniers" are pointing out the exaggerations and claims that were DESIGNED to misleading in order to further a socio-political agenda. And it's really not hard to do.. For instance..

Do you know about IPCC? Have you read their simple "mission statement"? Do you think that they are a purveyor of OBJECTIVE Climate science with the obvious bias in their mission statement. The "agenda" ain't hidden. It's right there in your face. Every time that some politician declares that "the science is over".. The only thing that's over is the free ride these scientists have had being used and rewarded as political tools..

So then we are apparently supposed to believe that there exists an international conspiracy of scientists and governments to suppress the truth about global climate change. Is that right?

Of course !! It's not hidden. It's in your face. Now I'm gonna give you one data point. The significance of that data is the following. Once you read the quote below -- you can honestly claim to be totally ignorant of ANY statements admitting the true socio-political agenda behind the Global Warming Extravaganza.

The guy is a lead "investigator" for the IPCC. A "Climate Economics" specialist. And he sits in approval meetings for the scientific "consensus" statements coming out of that grand body..

Climate Talks or Wealth Redistribution Talks

NZZ: De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

Edenhofer: First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Poof -- If youre honest -- you are innoculated from your innocent view of Global Warming hype.

Feel free to explain how nearly every civilized nation on earth officially agrees with the science of global climate change. How did that happen? Did they all meet one day at Applebees to plan this diabolical conspiracy? Have the real scientists been silenced and the truth suppressed?

Nope.. They meet at the UN every few years to present ONLY the Climate science relevent to MAN-CAUSED Global Warming. Then they all try to mug the industrialized world for money.

These "position statements by professional society are never voted on by the membership. They are drafted by the front office to ADMIT their bias and pledge their loyalties to all their sponsors. Like the BILLIONS of research dollars available IF --- you can swallow your pride and make your work SOUND like their prepackaged conclusion that man is wrecking the planet and money and power is required to fix that.

In fact -- 2nd data pt. The Geological Society of Australia had a Global Warming/Climate Policy Statement for YEARS.. Revised several times all without input from the membership. Last time they tried to revise it -- the membership demanded to be involved. They no longer HAVE a policy statement on Climate Change. Worthless as a Congressional Investigation I tell you.. Not like in the movies where the society members all meet in the Old Harvard lecture hall and hammer out a proclamation of truth.

I sense you're not really interested in learning this kind of conflicting information. Seriously,

DID you really think those policy positions are NOT political?

 

[Liminal]

The apparent basis for your argument is that climate change deniers base all their conclusions on science, while everyone who disagrees with them has to be politically motivated or simply naive. I'm saying that no part of that argument has ever, in any way, been substantiated by anyone.

No.. Simply "deniers" are pointing out the exaggerations and claims that were DESIGNED to misleading in order to further a socio-political agenda. And it's really not hard to do.. For instance..

Do you know about IPCC? Have you read their simple "mission statement"? Do you think that they are a purveyor of OBJECTIVE Climate science with the obvious bias in their mission statement. The "agenda" ain't hidden. It's right there in your face. Every time that some politician declares that "the science is over".. The only thing that's over is the free ride these scientists have had being used and rewarded as political tools..

So then we are apparently supposed to believe that there exists an international conspiracy of scientists and governments to suppress the truth about global climate change. Is that right?

Of course !! It's not hidden. It's in your face. Now I'm gonna give you one data point. The significance of that data is the following. Once you read the quote below -- you can honestly claim to be totally ignorant of ANY statements admitting the true socio-political agenda behind the Global Warming Extravaganza.

The guy is a lead "investigator" for the IPCC. A "Climate Economics" specialist. And he sits in approval meetings for the scientific "consensus" statements coming out of that grand body..

Climate Talks or Wealth Redistribution Talks

NZZ: De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

Edenhofer: First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Poof -- If youre honest -- you are innoculated from your innocent view of Global Warming hype.

Feel free to explain how nearly every civilized nation on earth officially agrees with the science of global climate change. How did that happen? Did they all meet one day at Applebees to plan this diabolical conspiracy? Have the real scientists been silenced and the truth suppressed?

Nope.. They meet at the UN every few years to present ONLY the Climate science relevent to MAN-CAUSED Global Warming. Then they all try to mug the industrialized world for money.

These "position statements by professional society are never voted on by the membership. They are drafted by the front office to ADMIT their bias and pledge their loyalties to all their sponsors. Like the BILLIONS of research dollars available IF --- you can swallow your pride and make your work SOUND like their prepackaged conclusion that man is wrecking the planet and money and power is required to fix that.

In fact -- 2nd data pt. The Geological Society of Australia had a Global Warming/Climate Policy Statement for YEARS.. Revised several times all without input from the membership. Last time they tried to revise it -- the membership demanded to be involved. They no longer HAVE a policy statement on Climate Change. Worthless as a Congressional Investigation I tell you.. Not like in the movies where the society members all meet in the Old Harvard lecture hall and hammer out a proclamation of truth.

I sense you're not really interested in learning this kind of conflicting information. Seriously,

DID you really think those policy positions are NOT political?

That must be why the military planners of all the industrialized nations are making contingency plans based on global climate change scenarios. Maybe they just don't have anything better to do, you know since they aren't concerned about terrorism or Chinese expansionism, or Russian resurgence. They must be thinking about stuff like that because it's stylish and trendy. You know how liberal those military guys can be.

 

[Dot Com]

No.. Simply "deniers" are pointing out the exaggerations and claims that were DESIGNED to misleading in order to further a socio-political agenda. And it's really not hard to do.. For instance..

Do you know about IPCC? Have you read their simple "mission statement"? Do you think that they are a purveyor of OBJECTIVE Climate science with the obvious bias in their mission statement. The "agenda" ain't hidden. It's right there in your face. Every time that some politician declares that "the science is over".. The only thing that's over is the free ride these scientists have had being used and rewarded as political tools..

So then we are apparently supposed to believe that there exists an international conspiracy of scientists and governments to suppress the truth about global climate change. Is that right?

Of course !! It's not hidden. It's in your face. Now I'm gonna give you one data point. The significance of that data is the following. Once you read the quote below -- you can honestly claim to be totally ignorant of ANY statements admitting the true socio-political agenda behind the Global Warming Extravaganza.

The guy is a lead "investigator" for the IPCC. A "Climate Economics" specialist. And he sits in approval meetings for the scientific "consensus" statements coming out of that grand body..

Climate Talks or Wealth Redistribution Talks

NZZ: De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

Edenhofer: First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Poof -- If youre honest -- you are innoculated from your innocent view of Global Warming hype.

Feel free to explain how nearly every civilized nation on earth officially agrees with the science of global climate change. How did that happen? Did they all meet one day at Applebees to plan this diabolical conspiracy? Have the real scientists been silenced and the truth suppressed?

Nope.. They meet at the UN every few years to present ONLY the Climate science relevent to MAN-CAUSED Global Warming. Then they all try to mug the industrialized world for money.

These "position statements by professional society are never voted on by the membership. They are drafted by the front office to ADMIT their bias and pledge their loyalties to all their sponsors. Like the BILLIONS of research dollars available IF --- you can swallow your pride and make your work SOUND like their prepackaged conclusion that man is wrecking the planet and money and power is required to fix that.

In fact -- 2nd data pt. The Geological Society of Australia had a Global Warming/Climate Policy Statement for YEARS.. Revised several times all without input from the membership. Last time they tried to revise it -- the membership demanded to be involved. They no longer HAVE a policy statement on Climate Change. Worthless as a Congressional Investigation I tell you.. Not like in the movies where the society members all meet in the Old Harvard lecture hall and hammer out a proclamation of truth.

I sense you're not really interested in learning this kind of conflicting information. Seriously,

DID you really think those policy positions are NOT political?

That must be why the military planners of all the industrialized nations are making contingency plans based on global climate change scenarios. Maybe they just don't have anything better to do, you know since they aren't concerned about terrorism or Chinese expansionism, or Russian resurgence. They must be thinking about stuff like that because it's stylish and trendy. You know how liberal those military guys can be.

True. The military has no ideological bent to defend. They have the nation to defend.

 

[Liminal]

So then we are apparently supposed to believe that there exists an international conspiracy of scientists and governments to suppress the truth about global climate change. Is that right?

Of course !! It's not hidden. It's in your face. Now I'm gonna give you one data point. The significance of that data is the following. Once you read the quote below -- you can honestly claim to be totally ignorant of ANY statements admitting the true socio-political agenda behind the Global Warming Extravaganza.

The guy is a lead "investigator" for the IPCC. A "Climate Economics" specialist. And he sits in approval meetings for the scientific "consensus" statements coming out of that grand body..

Climate Talks or Wealth Redistribution Talks

NZZ: De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

Edenhofer: First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Poof -- If youre honest -- you are innoculated from your innocent view of Global Warming hype.

Feel free to explain how nearly every civilized nation on earth officially agrees with the science of global climate change. How did that happen? Did they all meet one day at Applebees to plan this diabolical conspiracy? Have the real scientists been silenced and the truth suppressed?

Nope.. They meet at the UN every few years to present ONLY the Climate science relevent to MAN-CAUSED Global Warming. Then they all try to mug the industrialized world for money.

These "position statements by professional society are never voted on by the membership. They are drafted by the front office to ADMIT their bias and pledge their loyalties to all their sponsors. Like the BILLIONS of research dollars available IF --- you can swallow your pride and make your work SOUND like their prepackaged conclusion that man is wrecking the planet and money and power is required to fix that.

In fact -- 2nd data pt. The Geological Society of Australia had a Global Warming/Climate Policy Statement for YEARS.. Revised several times all without input from the membership. Last time they tried to revise it -- the membership demanded to be involved. They no longer HAVE a policy statement on Climate Change. Worthless as a Congressional Investigation I tell you.. Not like in the movies where the society members all meet in the Old Harvard lecture hall and hammer out a proclamation of truth.

I sense you're not really interested in learning this kind of conflicting information. Seriously,

DID you really think those policy positions are NOT political?

That must be why the military planners of all the industrialized nations are making contingency plans based on global climate change scenarios. Maybe they just don't have anything better to do, you know since they aren't concerned about terrorism or Chinese expansionism, or Russian resurgence. They must be thinking about stuff like that because it's stylish and trendy. You know how liberal those military guys can be.

True. The military has no ideological bent to defend. They have the nation to defend.

Now watch one of these guys tell us he knows all about how military planning priorities are established in other nations.

 

[flacaltenn]

No.. Simply "deniers" are pointing out the exaggerations and claims that were DESIGNED to misleading in order to further a socio-political agenda. And it's really not hard to do.. For instance..

Do you know about IPCC? Have you read their simple "mission statement"? Do you think that they are a purveyor of OBJECTIVE Climate science with the obvious bias in their mission statement. The "agenda" ain't hidden. It's right there in your face. Every time that some politician declares that "the science is over".. The only thing that's over is the free ride these scientists have had being used and rewarded as political tools..

So then we are apparently supposed to believe that there exists an international conspiracy of scientists and governments to suppress the truth about global climate change. Is that right?

Of course !! It's not hidden. It's in your face. Now I'm gonna give you one data point. The significance of that data is the following. Once you read the quote below -- you can honestly claim to be totally ignorant of ANY statements admitting the true socio-political agenda behind the Global Warming Extravaganza.

The guy is a lead "investigator" for the IPCC. A "Climate Economics" specialist. And he sits in approval meetings for the scientific "consensus" statements coming out of that grand body..

Climate Talks or Wealth Redistribution Talks

NZZ: De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

Edenhofer: First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Poof -- If youre honest -- you are innoculated from your innocent view of Global Warming hype.

Feel free to explain how nearly every civilized nation on earth officially agrees with the science of global climate change. How did that happen? Did they all meet one day at Applebees to plan this diabolical conspiracy? Have the real scientists been silenced and the truth suppressed?

Nope.. They meet at the UN every few years to present ONLY the Climate science relevent to MAN-CAUSED Global Warming. Then they all try to mug the industrialized world for money.

These "position statements by professional society are never voted on by the membership. They are drafted by the front office to ADMIT their bias and pledge their loyalties to all their sponsors. Like the BILLIONS of research dollars available IF --- you can swallow your pride and make your work SOUND like their prepackaged conclusion that man is wrecking the planet and money and power is required to fix that.

In fact -- 2nd data pt. The Geological Society of Australia had a Global Warming/Climate Policy Statement for YEARS.. Revised several times all without input from the membership. Last time they tried to revise it -- the membership demanded to be involved. They no longer HAVE a policy statement on Climate Change. Worthless as a Congressional Investigation I tell you.. Not like in the movies where the society members all meet in the Old Harvard lecture hall and hammer out a proclamation of truth.

I sense you're not really interested in learning this kind of conflicting information. Seriously,

DID you really think those policy positions are NOT political?

That must be why the military planners of all the industrialized nations are making contingency plans based on global climate change scenarios. Maybe they just don't have anything better to do, you know since they aren't concerned about terrorism or Chinese expansionism, or Russian resurgence. They must be thinking about stuff like that because it's stylish and trendy. You know how liberal those military guys can be.

Obviously, you're oblivious to the model of inefficiency that is our Federal Govt. Good bet would be that you LOVE yourself more of this kind of "military preparedness"..

That plan is right up there with the Alien Invasion Contingency Plan and the Return of Jesus Plan that Ronald Reagan required of them.

Are you that naive? Do you not know the effect of mandate requiring all Federal Agencies to address and be sensitive to a myriad of "favorite memes of the day"..

Do you really think the Coast Guard cadets that had to suffer thru 1/2 an hour of Obama explaining to them why Global Warming was one of their most serious missions - are ever gonna get a Purple Heart for heat exhaustion?

The day the Defense Dept develops a battle cross for meritorious service in the Climate Change cause because those CG cadets got a sunburn on patrol --- send me a PM.... 0.5degC change in your lifetime and you believe this is a military crisis? ARE YOU DAFT?

 

[Liminal]

So then we are apparently supposed to believe that there exists an international conspiracy of scientists and governments to suppress the truth about global climate change. Is that right?

Of course !! It's not hidden. It's in your face. Now I'm gonna give you one data point. The significance of that data is the following. Once you read the quote below -- you can honestly claim to be totally ignorant of ANY statements admitting the true socio-political agenda behind the Global Warming Extravaganza.

The guy is a lead "investigator" for the IPCC. A "Climate Economics" specialist. And he sits in approval meetings for the scientific "consensus" statements coming out of that grand body..

Climate Talks or Wealth Redistribution Talks

NZZ: De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.

Edenhofer: First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.

Poof -- If youre honest -- you are innoculated from your innocent view of Global Warming hype.

Feel free to explain how nearly every civilized nation on earth officially agrees with the science of global climate change. How did that happen? Did they all meet one day at Applebees to plan this diabolical conspiracy? Have the real scientists been silenced and the truth suppressed?

Nope.. They meet at the UN every few years to present ONLY the Climate science relevent to MAN-CAUSED Global Warming. Then they all try to mug the industrialized world for money.

These "position statements by professional society are never voted on by the membership. They are drafted by the front office to ADMIT their bias and pledge their loyalties to all their sponsors. Like the BILLIONS of research dollars available IF --- you can swallow your pride and make your work SOUND like their prepackaged conclusion that man is wrecking the planet and money and power is required to fix that.

In fact -- 2nd data pt. The Geological Society of Australia had a Global Warming/Climate Policy Statement for YEARS.. Revised several times all without input from the membership. Last time they tried to revise it -- the membership demanded to be involved. They no longer HAVE a policy statement on Climate Change. Worthless as a Congressional Investigation I tell you.. Not like in the movies where the society members all meet in the Old Harvard lecture hall and hammer out a proclamation of truth.

I sense you're not really interested in learning this kind of conflicting information. Seriously,

DID you really think those policy positions are NOT political?

That must be why the military planners of all the industrialized nations are making contingency plans based on global climate change scenarios. Maybe they just don't have anything better to do, you know since they aren't concerned about terrorism or Chinese expansionism, or Russian resurgence. They must be thinking about stuff like that because it's stylish and trendy. You know how liberal those military guys can be.

Obviously, you're oblivious to the model of inefficiency that is our Federal Govt. Good bet would be that you LOVE yourself more of this kind of "military preparedness"..

That plan is right up there with the Alien Invasion Contingency Plan and the Return of Jesus Plan that Ronald Reagan required of them.

Are you that naive? Do you not know the effect of mandate requiring all Federal Agencies to address and be sensitive to a myriad of "favorite memes of the day"..

Do you really think the Coast Guard cadets that had to suffer thru 1/2 an hour of Obama explaining to them why Global Warming was one of their most serious missions?

The day the Defense Dept develops a battle cross for meritorious service in the Climate Change cause because those CG cadets got a sunburn on patrol --- send me a PM.... 0.5degC change in your lifetime and you believe this is a military crisis? ARE YOU DAFT?

See, I knew we had an expert on military planning here.
Looks like we're back to conspiracy theories then.

 

[Dot Com]

Of course !! It's not hidden. It's in your face. Now I'm gonna give you one data point. The significance of that data is the following. Once you read the quote below -- you can honestly claim to be totally ignorant of ANY statements admitting the true socio-political agenda behind the Global Warming Extravaganza.

The guy is a lead "investigator" for the IPCC. A "Climate Economics" specialist. And he sits in approval meetings for the scientific "consensus" statements coming out of that grand body..

Poof -- If youre honest -- you are innoculated from your innocent view of Global Warming hype.

Feel free to explain how nearly every civilized nation on earth officially agrees with the science of global climate change. How did that happen? Did they all meet one day at Applebees to plan this diabolical conspiracy? Have the real scientists been silenced and the truth suppressed?

Nope.. They meet at the UN every few years to present ONLY the Climate science relevent to MAN-CAUSED Global Warming. Then they all try to mug the industrialized world for money.

These "position statements by professional society are never voted on by the membership. They are drafted by the front office to ADMIT their bias and pledge their loyalties to all their sponsors. Like the BILLIONS of research dollars available IF --- you can swallow your pride and make your work SOUND like their prepackaged conclusion that man is wrecking the planet and money and power is required to fix that.

In fact -- 2nd data pt. The Geological Society of Australia had a Global Warming/Climate Policy Statement for YEARS.. Revised several times all without input from the membership. Last time they tried to revise it -- the membership demanded to be involved. They no longer HAVE a policy statement on Climate Change. Worthless as a Congressional Investigation I tell you.. Not like in the movies where the society members all meet in the Old Harvard lecture hall and hammer out a proclamation of truth.

I sense you're not really interested in learning this kind of conflicting information. Seriously,

DID you really think those policy positions are NOT political?

That must be why the military planners of all the industrialized nations are making contingency plans based on global climate change scenarios. Maybe they just don't have anything better to do, you know since they aren't concerned about terrorism or Chinese expansionism, or Russian resurgence. They must be thinking about stuff like that because it's stylish and trendy. You know how liberal those military guys can be.

Obviously, you're oblivious to the model of inefficiency that is our Federal Govt. Good bet would be that you LOVE yourself more of this kind of "military preparedness"..

That plan is right up there with the Alien Invasion Contingency Plan and the Return of Jesus Plan that Ronald Reagan required of them.

Are you that naive? Do you not know the effect of mandate requiring all Federal Agencies to address and be sensitive to a myriad of "favorite memes of the day"..

Do you really think the Coast Guard cadets that had to suffer thru 1/2 an hour of Obama explaining to them why Global Warming was one of their most serious missions?

The day the Defense Dept develops a battle cross for meritorious service in the Climate Change cause because those CG cadets got a sunburn on patrol --- send me a PM.... 0.5degC change in your lifetime and you believe this is a military crisis? ARE YOU DAFT?

See, I knew we had an expert on military planning here.
Looks like we're back to conspiracy theories then.

I know right? I was in the military too. Funny.