Clean energy makes big gains.

[Woodznutz]

The future looks good for clean energy, which portends ensured success of EV's.

MSN

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why does more expensive, less reliable energy portend success for EVs?

 

[Dekster]

The future looks good for clean energy, which portends ensured success of EV's.

MSN

We will see where we are in 20 years when the windmills and solar panels have to be replaced. Right now, the grid still has a strong backstop of dirty energy power providers. Without them providing standby power, it it would be a very different situation than we are currently in. We simply aren't there yet. Even a mega battery farm can only provide 100% of the power needs of a large city for less than an hour and there are lots of hours after the sun goes down.

 

[Woodznutz]

We will see where we are in 20 years when the windmills and solar panels have to be replaced. Right now, the grid still has a strong backstop of dirty energy power providers. Without them providing standby power, it it would be a very different situation than we are currently in. We simply aren't there yet. Even a mega battery farm can only provide 100% of the power needs of a large city for less than an hour and there are lots of hours after the sun goes down.

Cleaner natural gas is replacing dirty coal. Clean energy is a work in progress, still evolving.

 

[task0778]

Actually what it really portends is the increase in wealth for those who invest in clean energy, and whether it actually works or not or makes any difference at all to climate change is beside the point. It's about money and power, which is patently obvious when we look at where most of the money ends up relative to the good it does for the environment. Who here believes that all the billions and trillions of money spent on high-speed rail will make the slightest difference in GW or CC? Anyone who believes that is a fucking liar or an idiot, probably both.

We don't make decisions these days about what programs and policies will have the most impact on the environment, for the most part those decisions are based on who makes the most money and gains political power. And the sad thing is that people who will be hurt the most are also the people that can afford it least. Anyone want to say how much Al Gore was hurt by $6 gas? How many other people than require the use of a ICE vehicle to make a living were hurt by $6 gas?

 

[Woodznutz]

Why does more expensive, less reliable energy portend success for EVs?

Clean energy gets cheaper all the time. Even fossil fueled energy is getting cleaner and more efficient. Energy costs will follow the general costs of everything else. Clean, home-produced energy might actually stabilize energy costs against global disruptions in fossil fuel supplies. We can't discount energy saving and storage technologies that will be developed as well.

 

[Woodznutz]

Actually what it really portends is the increase in wealth for those who invest in clean energy, and whether it actually works or not or makes any difference at all to climate change is beside the point. It's about money and power, which is patently obvious when we look at where most of the money ends up relative to the good it does for the environment. Who here believes that all the billions and trillions of money spent on high-speed rail will make the slightest difference in GW or CC? Anyone who believes that is a fucking liar or an idiot, probably both.

We don't make decisions these days about what programs and policies will have the most impact on the environment, for the most part those decisions are based on who makes the most money and gains political power. And the sad thing is that people who will be hurt the most are also the people that can afford it least. Anyone want to say how much Al Gore was hurt by $6 gas? How many other people than require the use of a ICE vehicle to make a living were hurt by $6 gas?

That's a valid point.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Cleaner natural gas is replacing dirty coal.

But the greens don't want fracking or natural gas. Or nukes.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Clean energy gets cheaper all the time. Even fossil fueled energy is getting cleaner and more efficient. Energy costs will follow the general costs of everything else. Clean, home-produced energy might actually stabilize energy costs against global disruptions in fossil fuel supplies. We can't discount energy saving and storage technologies that will be developed as well.

Clean energy gets cheaper all the time.

Just because the government is throwing tax dollars at it doesn't mean it's cheaper.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Energy costs will follow the general costs of everything else.

Under Biden, that means much higher.

 

[Woodznutz]

But the greens don't want fracking or natural gas. Or nukes.

They may not be in charge after November.

 

[Woodznutz]

Clean energy gets cheaper all the time.

Just because the government is throwing tax dollars at it doesn't mean it's cheaper.

A lot of those subsidies are running out.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A lot of those subsidies are running out.

The Inflation Reduction Act (LOL!) is throwing hundreds of billions of new dollars
at "green" energy.

 

[Woodznutz]

The Inflation Reduction Act (LOL!) is throwing hundreds of billions of new dollars
at "green" energy.

I hope it's better managed this time.

 

[Dekster]

Cleaner natural gas is replacing dirty coal. Clean energy is a work in progress, still evolving.

It is in America. In China, not so much and it is a global issue.

 

[Woodznutz]

It is in America. In China, not so much and it is a global issue.

China uses coal-produce electricity to make our solar panels and windmills. Now that's cooperation.

 

[Dekster]

China uses coal-produce electricity to make our solar panels and windmills. Now that's cooperation.

China is very practical. If the west isn't willing to compete for coal, they will get it for far cheaper than they will natural gas. They are on a 50 years plan to phase out fossil fuels, not the OMG we are dead in 7 years plan

 

[Woodznutz]

China is very practical. If the west isn't willing to compete for coal, they will get it for far cheaper than they will natural gas. They are on a 50 years plan to phase out fossil fuels, not the OMG we are dead in 7 years plan

We are exporting coal to China, then the wind blows the smoke back to us.

 

[Dekster]

We are exporting coal to China, then the wind blows the smoke back to us.

China is waiting for us to waste a mint developing the know how so they can steal the technology with the click of a mouse and get it for free. Horrible for us. Pretty crafty on their end though.

 

[task0778]

They are on a 50 years plan to phase out fossil fuels, not the OMG we are dead in 7 years plan

Last I heard, the Chinese are building and operating more coal-fired power plants, when are they going to get started on that 50-year plan? My guess, not any time soon.

A few years back, there was a person from the IPCC that admitted all this hysteria about climate change was basically nothing more than a redistribution of wealth, mostly from rich nations (US) to everyone else. And mostly that what it is in the US too, it's basically a scam to enrich certain people with gov't loans and grants that are never worth the money in terms of making any difference to the environment or the world's climate. And the democrats use that issue to scare people into voting for them.

You know what? When I see the Obamas and other rich people building estates on ocean front property after years of trying to convince us to spend huge amounts of money on GW and CC, what else can I think besides the idea that we're being lied to? All those rich people that live in Martha's Vineyard, are they all a bunch of dumbasses that are going to lose their homes in 10 years?

Which is not to say we shouldn't be concerned about the environment or the world's climate, but when I see by some estimates the democrats wanting spend $94 fucking trillion dollars on their Green New Deal, I have to believe they are fucking crazy. It's all absolute nonsense that we're all going to die in the next 80 years if we do nothing; news flash, we will adapt to whatever conditions exist down the road.