Civil War Facts

[Unkotare]

... Lincoln invaded purely because he wanted to enforce high tariffs on the Southern states. ...

Wrong again, headcase. President Lincoln punished the traitors and brought them to heel to preserve the Union; a Union imperiled by arrogant, vainglorious fools who would sacrifice all for the sake of an evil institution that chiefly benefited a morally bankrupt minority.

 

[Unkotare]

Lincoln and the population of Northern states didn't give a damn about the slaves. They opposed slavery purely because they didn't want Northern labor to have to compete with slave labor. It had nothing to do with any concern about slaves.
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As usual, just more bitter, emotive, ignorant nonsense from the headcase.



"From the beginning, some white colonists were uncomfortable with the notion of slavery. At the time of the American Revolution against the English Crown, Delaware (1776) and Virginia (1778) prohibited importation of African slaves; Vermont became the first of the 13 colonies to abolish slavery (1777); Rhode Island prohibited taking slaves from the colony (1778); and Pennsylvania began gradual emancipation in 1780.

The Maryland Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery and the Relief of Free Negroes and Others Unlawfully Held in Bondage was founded in 1789, the same year the former colonies replaced their Articles of Confederation with the new Constitution, "in order to form a more perfect union.""

Abolitionist Movement | Abolitionism

 

[Theowl32]

... Lincoln invaded purely because he wanted to enforce high tariffs on the Southern states. ...

Wrong again, headcase. President Lincoln punished the traitors and brought them to heel to preserve the Union; a Union imperiled by arrogant, vainglorious fools who would sacrifice all for the sake of an evil institution that chiefly benefited a morally bankrupt minority.

So long as we understand that slavery has not really been abolished in the world. Cheap labor is and will always be sought so long as there is a monetary system firmly in place. Since we all agree that is not going anywhere soon, we should identify where these "slave like" conditions exist today.

China, Vietnam etc etc is good place to start. There are hellish work conditions in these countries. Oh, ignorance is bliss. I wonder if Tiger Woods would reject his 8 figure contract with Nike for their horrible conditions they have for workers in Vietnam. I wonder if any of the "African American" athletes that make millions in endorsements from these companies that take advantage of human labor.

Yeah, when the shoe is in the over foot, all of a sudden it is entirely different. Anyway, yes. We all enjoy the cheaper prices at stores like Walmart.

The point is that this country (the North) indeed enjoyed the slave labor in the southern states. Many of the citizens in the North enjoyed the lower prices for an assortment of different things as a result.

Like I said, just like we enjoy the lower prices as a result of the slave like conditions of workers in those countries. Ignorance is really bliss. In todays world, since it is so far away, we show little to no concern. Out of sight out of mind.

I think Cicero was right about human behavior. When he observed the average Roman citizen in the ancient world, he mentioned they are really only concerned about the pebble in their shoe.

I laugh at those who really believe we are living in such an innocent time now.

 

[Unkotare]

... Lincoln invaded purely because he wanted to enforce high tariffs on the Southern states. ...

Wrong again, headcase. President Lincoln punished the traitors and brought them to heel to preserve the Union; a Union imperiled by arrogant, vainglorious fools who would sacrifice all for the sake of an evil institution that chiefly benefited a morally bankrupt minority.

So long as we understand that slavery has not really been abolished in the world. ...

Who said that it was? Stay on topic.

 

[Unkotare]

Cheap labor is and will always be sought so long as there is a monetary system firmly in place. Since we all agree that is not going anywhere soon, we should identify where these "slave like" conditions exist today.

China, Vietnam etc etc is good place to start. There are hellish work conditions in these countries. Oh, ignorance is bliss. I wonder if Tiger Woods would reject his 8 figure contract with Nike for their horrible conditions they have for workers in Vietnam. I wonder if any of the "African American" athletes that make millions in endorsements from these companies that take advantage of human labor.

Equating "cheap" labor to slavery is an offensively false equivalency. Have you ever witnessed firsthand work conditions in China? Do you know the cost of living in various parts of Vietnam relative to average wages in various industries?

Start a new thread if you feel the need to go so far off topic.

 

[Theowl32]

Cheap labor is and will always be sought so long as there is a monetary system firmly in place. Since we all agree that is not going anywhere soon, we should identify where these "slave like" conditions exist today.

China, Vietnam etc etc is good place to start. There are hellish work conditions in these countries. Oh, ignorance is bliss. I wonder if Tiger Woods would reject his 8 figure contract with Nike for their horrible conditions they have for workers in Vietnam. I wonder if any of the "African American" athletes that make millions in endorsements from these companies that take advantage of human labor.

Equating "cheap" labor to slavery is an offensively false equivalency. Have you ever witnessed firsthand work conditions in China? Do you know the cost of living in various parts of Vietnam relative to average wages in various industries?

Start a new thread if you feel the need to go so far off topic.

Yeah, is this your way of denying there are slave like condition in those countries?

Slave like conditions do exist. You can remain in your comfortable state of ignorance, and the issue of slavery is very much part of the topic in this thread.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z35uzed1yIU]Vietnamese worker in Malaysia complains of being kept in slave-like conditions - YouTube[/ame]

BBC News - Vietnam's lost children in labyrinth of slave labour

Last year, three teenage boys jumped out of a third-floor window in Ho Chi Minh City and ran as fast as they could until they found help. It was one in the morning and they did not know where they were going.

"I was really scared someone would catch us," recalled Hieu, 18.

Hieu, who did not want to give his real name, is from the Khmu ethnic minority. He grew up in a small village in Dien Bien, a mountainous area in north-western Vietnam, one of the country's poorest provinces and bordering China.

When he was 16 he had a job making coal bricks in his home village when a woman approached him offering vocational training.

"My parents were happy I could go and earn some money," he said.

He and 11 other children from his village were taken by bus on a 2,100km (1,300 miles) journey and put to work in Ho Chi Minh City (formerly Saigon), south Vietnam.

They spent the next two years locked in a cramped room making clothes for a small garment factory with no wages.

"We started at 6am and finished work at midnight," he said. "If we made a mistake making the clothes they would beat us with a stick."

Prostitution, begging and garment factories
Hieu is one of more than 230 child-trafficking victims that the Vietnam-based charity Blue Dragon Children's Foundation has rescued since 2005.

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When they realise the kids are now slaves in sweatshops, [their parents] want them back”

Michael Brosowski
Blue Dragon Children's Foundation
The charity helps children forced into a variety of jobs from prostitution to begging, but in the past year just over a quarter of that number have been rescued from garment factories in Ho Chi Minh City, the country's largest metropolis and industrial centre.

Conditions are often harsh.

"Last year we raided one factory. I think 14 people work, sleep, eat in a small room with the machines," says Blue Dragon's lawyer. "The factory owner only let them go to the bathroom for eight minutes a day, including brushing your teeth, washing, going to the toilet. "

The youngest was 11 and most were from ethnic minorities.

"They are taking kids from central and northern Vietnam because they are assuming those kids can't escape," said Blue Dragon co-founder Michael Brosowski.

"If they get kids from nearby, those kids can just walk out or walk home."

Mr Brosowski believes traffickers are targeting more remote areas such as Dien Bien province because communities there do not know about the risks of human trafficking.

Gangs approach local officials pretending to offer jobs or vocational training to children of the poorest families. Many are happy to send the children away.

Some villages Blue Dragon visit are missing dozens of children.

Parents and officials only realise there is a problem when the charity shows them pictures of garment factories they have raided in the past.

"When they realise the kids are now slaves in sweatshops, they want them back," he said.

Mr Brosowski believes the problem is getting worse, partly because it is so lucrative and other people in the trafficking business want "a piece of the pie", he said.

It also fits a nationwide trend as the rural poor seek jobs in the city. He does not believe the clothes are produced for export, but cannot say for sure.

Thousands of children have been treated like property in Vietnam due to the lack of sufficient pay, being sold as sex slaves, and the horrific working conditions of the sweatshops. This travesty has gone on for years without public knowledge for anyone to stop it. Kids as young as 9 years old are working for 10 hours a day. Laws in our country are clear cut as to the amount of hours a minor may work, but in other countries, such as Vietnam, laws are not followed through to that extent. Many businessmen view the situation as “out of sight – out of mind” and never stop this crime. Happy Meals at McDonalds always include a fluffy animal toy.

It may be of surprise, but these are made by children themselves. Kids work longer hours than many men and women, but receive much less pay. They work in old buildings with no fresh air and many deathly chemicals. They are robbed of their childhood of fun and games. Some are abused sexually and are scarred from the traumatic experiences so young.

Working for 10 hours, a person, especially a young growing child, needs at least three meals a day with a healthy snack in between. These children are being paid six cents an hour. Three basic meals cost two dollars and ten cents total. Teenage women, working for McDonald’s take home a salary of $4.20 after working 70 hours per week.

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Nike workers kicked, slapped and verbally abused at factories making Converse line in Indonesia | Mail Online

Nike workers 'kicked, slapped and verbally abused' at factories making Converse


They're one of the world's top sports clothing brands, but for years Nike have been dogged by allegations of sweatshops and child labour.

Now workers making Nike's Converse shoes at a factory in Indonesia say they are being physically and mentally abused.

Workers at the Sukabumi plant, about 60 miles from Jakarta, say supervisors frequently throw shoes at them, slap them in the face, kick them and call them dogs and pigs.


Nike admits that such abuse has occurred among the contractors that make its hip high-tops but says there was little it could do to stop it.

Dozens of interviews by The Associated Press, and a document released by Nike, show the company has a long way to go to meet the standards it set for itself a decade ago to end its reliance on sweatshop labour.

One worker at the Taiwanese-operated Pou Chen plant in Sukabumi said she was kicked by a supervisor last year after making a mistake while cutting rubber for soles.

'We're powerless,' said the woman, who like several others interviewed spoke on condition of anonymity out of fear of reprisals.

'Our only choice is to stay and suffer, or speak out and be fired.'

The 10,000 mostly female workers at the Taiwanese-operated Pou Chen plant make around 50 cents an hour.

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Go ahead, read that whole story about Nike and working conditions.


or....


Do not read it. BTW, these are things we know of. How much do we not know about?

 

[Unkotare]

Cheap labor is and will always be sought so long as there is a monetary system firmly in place. Since we all agree that is not going anywhere soon, we should identify where these "slave like" conditions exist today.

China, Vietnam etc etc is good place to start. There are hellish work conditions in these countries. Oh, ignorance is bliss. I wonder if Tiger Woods would reject his 8 figure contract with Nike for their horrible conditions they have for workers in Vietnam. I wonder if any of the "African American" athletes that make millions in endorsements from these companies that take advantage of human labor.

Equating "cheap" labor to slavery is an offensively false equivalency. Have you ever witnessed firsthand work conditions in China? Do you know the cost of living in various parts of Vietnam relative to average wages in various industries?

Start a new thread if you feel the need to go so far off topic.

Yeah, is this your way of denying there are slave like condition in those countries?

I notice you dodged my questions. Again, no one but YOU has tried to change the topic of this thread. Go start a new one to post common knowledge that there are poor working conditions around the world so you can feel as if you are informing the world about some great secret. Otherwise, you are just trolling this thread.

 

[bripat9643]

... Lincoln invaded purely because he wanted to enforce high tariffs on the Southern states. ...

Wrong again, headcase. President Lincoln punished the traitors and brought them to heel to preserve the Union; a Union imperiled by arrogant, vainglorious fools who would sacrifice all for the sake of an evil institution that chiefly benefited a morally bankrupt minority.

That's fascist carpetbagger horseshit. Lincoln even told the Confederate states that he would leave them alone so long as they paid the tariff. Lincoln stated quite plainly that he didn't give a damn about freeing the slaves. He was even willing to sign a Constitutional Amendment that would enshrine slavery in the Constitution forever.

"Preserving the Union" was a means to an end, not an end in itself. It was the means Lincoln used to force the Confederate states to pay ransom to the Northern states in the form of tariffs.

By the way, I looked up the definition of 'Unkotare.'

Unkotare

unkotare \ woon-ko-ta-re \ , noun;

Japanese. Roughly translated as dripping poop. This word is used to describe a pornographic genre commonly known as Scat.

"Hey Bro checkout this sweet unkotare video I found... it is super kawaii-desu"​

"Dripping shit" That describes you to a 'T'

 

[bripat9643]

Lincoln and the population of Northern states didn't give a damn about the slaves. They opposed slavery purely because they didn't want Northern labor to have to compete with slave labor. It had nothing to do with any concern about slaves.
.

As usual, just more bitter, emotive, ignorant nonsense from the headcase.

"From the beginning, some white colonists were uncomfortable with the notion of slavery. At the time of the American Revolution against the English Crown, Delaware (1776) and Virginia (1778) prohibited importation of African slaves; Vermont became the first of the 13 colonies to abolish slavery (1777); Rhode Island prohibited taking slaves from the colony (1778); and Pennsylvania began gradual emancipation in 1780.

The Maryland Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery and the Relief of Free Negroes and Others Unlawfully Held in Bondage was founded in 1789, the same year the former colonies replaced their Articles of Confederation with the new Constitution, "in order to form a more perfect union.""

Abolitionist Movement | Abolitionism

The abolitionist were always a very small minority of the population, perhaps 1% to 2%. The rest of the population thought they were kooks. Many Northern states had laws that persecuted blacks.

http://www.constitution.org/14ll/truth_14th.txt

The fact is, Northern states pioneered viciously discriminatory "black codes" long before they existed in any Southern state, and these codes were supported
by many of the same Northern politicians who voted for the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Revised Code of Indiana stated in 1862 that "Negroes and mulattos are not allowed to come into the state"; forbade the consummation of legal contracts with "Negroes and mulattos"; imposed a $500 fine on anyone who employed a black person; forbade interracial
marriage; and forbade blacks from testifying in court against white persons.

Illinois -- the "land of Lincoln" -- added almost identical restrictions in 1848, as did Oregon in 1857. Most Northern states in the 1860s did not permit immigration by blacks or, if they did, required them to post a $1,000 bond that would be confiscated if they behaved "improperly."

Senator Lyman Trimball of Illinois, a close confidant of Lincoln's, stated that "our people want nothing to do with the Negro" and was a strong supporter of Illinois' "black codes." Northern newspapers were often just as racist as the Northern black codes were. The Philadelphia Daily News editorialized on November 22, 1860, that "the African is naturally the
inferior race." The Daily Chicago Times wrote on December 7, 1860, that "nothing but evil" has come from the idea of Abolition and urged everyone to return any escaped slave "to his master where he belongs."​

The bottom line is that everything you believe about the Civil War is bunk. You're just a blowhard spouting off about a subject you know nothing about. However, in true fascist fashion, you attack anyone who disputes your idiocies and threaten them with death.

 

[Unkotare]

... Lincoln invaded purely because he wanted to enforce high tariffs on the Southern states. ...

Wrong again, headcase. President Lincoln punished the traitors and brought them to heel to preserve the Union; a Union imperiled by arrogant, vainglorious fools who would sacrifice all for the sake of an evil institution that chiefly benefited a morally bankrupt minority.

That's fascist carpetbagger horseshit.

No, that's historical reality, you bitter fucking weirdo. The Confederacy was wrong, and the traitorous curs who led so many good men to their deaths were arrogant fools rightly brought to heel by Union forces under the leadership of our greatest statesman. It's over, they lost, and it isn't your fight anyway, you fucking psycho.

 

[Unkotare]

The bottom line is that everything you believe about the Civil War is bunk.

Because some idiot on the internet who personally feels he lost the war says so? You're a fucking headcase, and your attempts at rewriting history are doomed to fail. Say whatever else you want, but you KNOW that no one other than idiots like you and the overgrown geeks who like to play dress up will EVER buy your idiotic attempts at playing PR man for the Confederacy. You KNOW this to be true, and I hope it pisses you off as much as I think it does.

 

[Unkotare]

However, in true fascist fashion, you attack anyone who disputes your idiocies and threaten them with death.

Who have I ever 'threatened with death,' you lying piece of shit? Is this how far you've gone? Is this how badly you've lost your shit over some shit that was lost long ago? Backup your accusation or retract it AT ONCE.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Or what?

 

[Unkotare]

Lincoln and the population of Northern states didn't give a damn about the slaves. They opposed slavery purely because they didn't want Northern labor to have to compete with slave labor. It had nothing to do with any concern about slaves.
.

As usual, just more bitter, emotive, ignorant nonsense from the headcase.

"From the beginning, some white colonists were uncomfortable with the notion of slavery. At the time of the American Revolution against the English Crown, Delaware (1776) and Virginia (1778) prohibited importation of African slaves; Vermont became the first of the 13 colonies to abolish slavery (1777); Rhode Island prohibited taking slaves from the colony (1778); and Pennsylvania began gradual emancipation in 1780.

The Maryland Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery and the Relief of Free Negroes and Others Unlawfully Held in Bondage was founded in 1789, the same year the former colonies replaced their Articles of Confederation with the new Constitution, "in order to form a more perfect union.""

Abolitionist Movement | Abolitionism

The abolitionist were always a very small minority of the population, perhaps 1% to 2%. .

Provide some proof of this "1% to 2%." Hurry up.

 

[Unkotare]

Or what?

I wasn't talking to you, R.eally C.an't be a Christian. You'll get your turn.

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong again, headcase. President Lincoln punished the traitors and brought them to heel to preserve the Union; a Union imperiled by arrogant, vainglorious fools who would sacrifice all for the sake of an evil institution that chiefly benefited a morally bankrupt minority.

That's fascist carpetbagger horseshit.

No, that's historical reality, you bitter fucking weirdo. The Confederacy was wrong, and the traitorous curs who led so many good men to their deaths were arrogant fools rightly brought to heel by Union forces under the leadership of our greatest statesman. It's over, they lost, and it isn't your fight anyway, you fucking psycho.

You swear like a psychotic serial killer, but I'm the bitter one?

I love the way you can never bring yourself to quote my entire post, even when it's fairly short. You just can't bare to repeat the ugly truth, can you? I know it hurts when your greatest hero is revealed to be a dictator, a tyrant, a mass murderer and congenital liar.

I know it must hurt to realize the Gettysburg address is nothing but a big lie and a cruel joke. If anyone was fighting for government "by the people, of the people and for the people," it was the Confederacy, not Lincoln. He was fighting to impose harsh tariffs on people who didn't want them. He was fighting for the power to dispense swag to his railroad cronies. He was fighting to turn the nation into an empire of subjects rather than a voluntary union of free states.

It's interesting to see how hysterical you get simply because I dare to post the facts about your dear sainted prophet. If my claims were as absurd as you claim, I would think you would simply ignore them. However, you just can't ignore historical facts, and they are all on my side of the issue. I can back up everything I say about Lincoln. All you can do is hysterically vent your spleen and lash out at those who try to educate you.

Every time you attack me you just provide me with another opportunity to educate people about the arch angel Lincoln. I know that must make your blood boil. You just can't shut me up.

 

[Unkotare]

By the way, I looked up the definition of 'Unkotare.'

You're not going to Google your way out of ignorance. It is a colloquialism you won't find on the internet translators you spent all that time searching. Once again you demonstrate the danger of 'a little knowledge.'


Here's an internet dictionary for ya, stupid: little knowledge is a dangerous thing - Idioms - by the Free Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

 

[Unkotare]

That's fascist carpetbagger horseshit.

No, that's historical reality, you bitter fucking weirdo. The Confederacy was wrong, and the traitorous curs who led so many good men to their deaths were arrogant fools rightly brought to heel by Union forces under the leadership of our greatest statesman. It's over, they lost, and it isn't your fight anyway, you fucking psycho.

You swear like a psychotic serial killer, but I'm the bitter one?

Yes, you're the bitter one. Even if reading the 'naughty' words offends your bugged-out, bloodshot eyes, you're still the bitter one.

 

[bripat9643]

By the way, I looked up the definition of 'Unkotare.'

You're not going to Google your way out of ignorance. It is a colloquialism you won't find on the internet translators you spent all that time searching. Once again you demonstrate the danger of 'a little knowledge.'


Here's an internet dictionary for ya, stupid: little knowledge is a dangerous thing - Idioms - by the Free Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

That's just more Unkotare (dripping shit)

 

[bripat9643]

No, that's historical reality, you bitter fucking weirdo. The Confederacy was wrong, and the traitorous curs who led so many good men to their deaths were arrogant fools rightly brought to heel by Union forces under the leadership of our greatest statesman. It's over, they lost, and it isn't your fight anyway, you fucking psycho.

You swear like a psychotic serial killer, but I'm the bitter one?

Yes, you're the bitter one. Even if reading the 'naughty' words offends your bugged-out, bloodshot eyes, you're still the bitter one.

Nope, it doesn't offend me at all. I think it's hysterical. It's like watching someone who just walked into a door start swearing at the door.