Civil Disobedience

[California Girl]

I absolutely support non smoking offices etc as they are specifically work environment. Bars and restuarants are 'leisure' based...

Clearly you never worked in a bar or a restaurant if you think that.

I think you are a hypocrite. You want the protections for yourself but not for anyone who works in a bar or restaurant.

I think you are an arrogant liberal who thinks it's okay to dictate how others live. I have actually worked in bars and restaurants... It was fun but quite hard work. It is not about having protection for myself but not for others. It is about choice. Non smokers need not work in a smoking bar or restuaurant. Quite straightforward.

 

[Father Time]

The genie is now out of the bottle and is not going back in. More and more states are now banning smoking in areas where the public has open access. We are not going back to the old way of doing things as much as the smokers choose to whine and pout. This means that if you are a smoker you must light up in environments where non-smokers will not be affected by your smoke. This should be a common courtesy but since smokers have never been known for their consideration of others, it is now the law.

Do you have anything to contribute other than
"Smokers are all evil and we should punish them for it"(which makes you an intolerant dick)
Psychic Predictions (which makes you a fraud)
It's a law so deal with it (which contributes jack)

Just introducing you to the new realities Father

New Sheriff in town

But none of those statements are correct.

Smokers are evil is a blanket statement (and you've done nothing to back it up).
You psychic guesses are just that, guesses.
Laws and attitudes can and have been changed.
And I highly doubt you'd accept deal with it as a response to complaining about a law you don't like.

 

[Father Time]

exactly how much personal space do you claim as your own to experience anything you want to in ?

Evidently her "personal space" involves all personal property of restaurant and bar owners.

LOL! Defensive and in denial to the end. It's been interesting to be able to pick the mind of someone so deluded and demented by years of nicotine addiction. Thanks for your participation in this thread.

Translation:

"I have absolutely no counter argument to this so I'm hoping you'll take my smugness as proof I'm right."

 

[Father Time]

Since it was banned in just about every indoor and some outdoor public places, that's where it's illegal. Are you really this dense?

Smoking isn't illegal.
Are you this stupid in real life?

Tell that to the judge next time you get a fine for smoking in a non smoking area.

He meant is there a place (a town, a city, or a state) where smoking is illegal everywhere?

 

[Father Time]

If the market will bear it...

''If the market will bear it.''

The fundamental difference today between liberals and conservatives, and dare I say old time conservatives...the few that exist, is the idea that 'the market' is king.

Are we now to be salary or interest slaves to the invisible hand of the market? Can prosperity only come from the market? When did the market become god?

Non sequiter. This has nothing to do with wages it's the simple fact that if more people wanted to go to smoke-free bars the bars that forbade smoking would earn more money and the other bars would likely ban smoking to try earn more as well.

I am NOT saying I am anti market, but I am saying the market is a man made beast that must always be tamed.

So you are anti-market

..non-smoking workers and patrons have other options, why not???

Not all optiins are healthy.

So people should have all unhealthy options taken away?

Are you one of those food Nazis that wants to ban every single sweet item?

case in point: why not allow drugs and porno to be sold within two feet of grade schools? surely we want to be able to allow the future to be free of regulation and constraints.

You do know it's illegal to sell both of those to minors so it really wouldn't make much difference.

 

[Father Time]

It's not changing the point. Did you miss the part where I said that because many smokers don't respect other people laws had to be passed to control them?

The part about you wanting government control over others was quite apparent.
Hope that works out for you over the long term.

It certainly has. Robbery and murder are illegal too.

So let me get this straight, if we don't recognize that the government has unlimited power to control the lives of its citizens then murder and robbery will be legal?

You're either a tremendous idiot or a fascist. Probably both.

 

[Father Time]

You know all this tired bullshit that 'smokers all evil and deserve to be treated as subhuman' reminds me of something from south park.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104220

 

[Douger]

FreeDumb
Land of the sheep and home of the idiot..............

 

[rightwinger]

Do you have anything to contribute other than
"Smokers are all evil and we should punish them for it"(which makes you an intolerant dick)
Psychic Predictions (which makes you a fraud)
It's a law so deal with it (which contributes jack)

Just introducing you to the new realities Father

New Sheriff in town

But none of those statements are correct.

Smokers are evil is a blanket statement (and you've done nothing to back it up).
You psychic guesses are just that, guesses.
Laws and attitudes can and have been changed.
And I highly doubt you'd accept deal with it as a response to complaining about a law you don't like.

Laws and attitutes have changed and they no longer tolerate your spewing smoke wherever and whenever you please. They are going to change more as you are going to be restricted to smaller areas in your attempt to satisfy your addiction in public.
Here in NJ, smoking is even being banned on area beaches. Not because of the smoke but because smokers use the beach as a giant ashtray and local towns tired of having to pay to rake up their butts.
Once again, inconsiderate actions of smokers are being used against them

 

[alan1]

LOL! Defensive and in denial to the end. It's been interesting to be able to pick the mind of someone so deluded and demented by years of nicotine addiction. Thanks for your participation in this thread.

Who started the thread?
Delusional much?

Answer that.

Because you started this thread you think you own it? Tell that to Gunny.

Where did I say I owned it?
Your appeal to authority is not only wrong, but just plain foolish.

 

[Father Time]

Just introducing you to the new realities Father

New Sheriff in town

But none of those statements are correct.

Smokers are evil is a blanket statement (and you've done nothing to back it up).
You psychic guesses are just that, guesses.
Laws and attitudes can and have been changed.
And I highly doubt you'd accept deal with it as a response to complaining about a law you don't like.

Laws and attitutes have changed and they no longer tolerate your spewing smoke wherever and whenever you please. They are going to change more as you are going to be restricted to smaller areas in your attempt to satisfy your addiction in public.

I don't smoke.
Stop using logical fallacies.
Hasty generalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No one is arguing to be allowed to smoke wherever they please.
And I was saying things can and have been unbanned, look at alcohol.

Here in NJ, smoking is even being banned on area beaches. Not because of the smoke but because smokers use the beach as a giant ashtray and local towns tired of having to pay to rake up their butts.

So should we ban fast food because of all the litter you'll find coming from them?

(Although since it's a public beach and taxpayers are footing the cleanup bill I'm fine with smoking being put up to a vote).

Once again, inconsiderate actions of smokers are being used against them

Once again you're trying to justify punishing everyone for the misdeeds of some, this makes you an asshole (to say the least).

 

[Anguille]

Here in NJ, smoking is even being banned on area beaches. Not because of the smoke but because smokers use the beach as a giant ashtray and local towns tired of having to pay to rake up their butts.
Once again, inconsiderate actions of smokers are being used against them

I hope the beach I go to goes non smoking. Nothing worse than being woken up from your nap in the sun by some asshole who plops himself next to you and starts smoking. Or stepping on a still lit butt that some asshole tossed onto the sand.

 

[Anguille]

Once again, inconsiderate actions of smokers are being used against them

Once again you're trying to justify punishing everyone for the misdeeds of some, this makes you an asshole (to say the least).

Smokers who are considerate enough not to smoke in eating and drinking establishments are hardly being punished since they don't do it anyway.

 

[rightwinger]

Once again, inconsiderate actions of smokers are being used against them

Once again you're trying to justify punishing everyone for the misdeeds of some, this makes you an asshole (to say the least).

Smokers who are considerate enough not to smoke in eating and drinking establishments are hardly being punished since they don't do it anyway.

Its a shame that the actions of some are used to "punish" all. But in the case of smokers, it is not the actions of a few. The majority of smokers openly smoked in public areas, threw their butts wherever they pleased and ruined the environment for anyone who was unfortunate enough to be around them.

Is it fair?

I don't know....was it "fair" to have a few smokers stink up the environment of those around them?

 

[Father Time]

Once again, inconsiderate actions of smokers are being used against them

Once again you're trying to justify punishing everyone for the misdeeds of some, this makes you an asshole (to say the least).

Smokers who are considerate enough not to smoke in eating and drinking establishments are hardly being punished since they don't do it anyway.

Its a shame that the actions of some are used to "punish" all. But in the case of smokers, it is not the actions of a few. The majority of smokers openly smoked in public areas, threw their butts wherever they pleased and ruined the environment for anyone who was unfortunate enough to be around them.

Source?

 

[Anguille]

Once again, inconsiderate actions of smokers are being used against them

Once again you're trying to justify punishing everyone for the misdeeds of some, this makes you an asshole (to say the least).

Smokers who are considerate enough not to smoke in eating and drinking establishments are hardly being punished since they don't do it anyway.

Its a shame that the actions of some are used to "punish" all. But in the case of smokers, it is not the actions of a few. The majority of smokers openly smoked in public areas, threw their butts wherever they pleased and ruined the environment for anyone who was unfortunate enough to be around them.

Is it fair?

I don't know....was it "fair" to have a few smokers stink up the environment of those around them?

Smokers were much more insufferable in the past, that's for sure. Now not so many cling to the arrogant assumption they can stink up any public place they want and toss their butts every where. Many try to be considerate, they don't always succeed but a lot try.

If the smoking bans were removed, though, they'd go right back to their old habits. Not many have enough self control not to.

 

[Ravi]

Every state and city has laws against littering...including cigarette butts. Better to enforce the laws on the books than kowtow to a bunch of nazi Progressives.

 

[Anguille]

Every state and city has laws against littering...including cigarette butts. Better to enforce the laws on the books than kowtow to a bunch of nazi Progressives.

Those laws have been around for decades but did smokers ever learn to obey them? All the more reason to have a no tolerance policy towards the smokers.
If anyone is a Nazi, its a pig headed smoker who wants to push her drug on everyone around her.

 

[Ravi]

Not sure how that changes what I said...I'll put it down to a blond moment on your part.

 

[Anguille]

Down girl, down!!