CIA Torture = Crimes Against Humanity?

[Vigilante]

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Torture is a crime against humanity. That there are perhaps worse crimes doesn't change this.

Really? Says who? Not in a legal sense

Says everyone with any decency, and yes, in a legal sense as well. As a signatory to the Geneva Convention the United States is forbidden to torture. Redefining your activities as "enhanced interrogation" does nothing to change this fact.

 

[Pop23]

Torture is a crime against humanity. That there are perhaps worse crimes doesn't change this.

Really? Says who? Not in a legal sense

Says everyone with any decency, and yes, in a legal sense as well. As a signatory to the Geneva Convention the United States is forbidden to torture. Redefining your activities as "enhanced interrogation" does nothing to change this fact.

But redefining torture does?

Okie dokey then

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Torture is a crime against humanity. That there are perhaps worse crimes doesn't change this.

Really? Says who? Not in a legal sense

Says everyone with any decency, and yes, in a legal sense as well. As a signatory to the Geneva Convention the United States is forbidden to torture. Redefining your activities as "enhanced interrogation" does nothing to change this fact.

What? We were discussing Crimes Against Humanity

and I haven't condoned torture in the way it was supossedly done

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I agree with Alan

Stop Winking at Torture and Codify It
U.S. must decide which interrogation tactics are allowable and which aren't.
June 13, 2004|Alan M. Dershowitz | Alan M. Dershowitz is a professor of law at Harvard. His latest book is "America on Trial."
Stop Winking at Torture and Codify It - Los Angeles Times

I do not agree with this person(s):

Codification of Torture Would Assault Decency - Los Angeles Times

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I applaud Alan's courage to call us out

Stop Winking at Torture and Codify It - Los Angeles Times

A codification of torture would be controversial, of course, but it would produce accountability of precisely the kind this administration wants to avoid. To date, only one other democracy has ever openly confronted this issue -- Israel.

Before 1999, Israel tried to come to terms with the torture issue. Rather than denying it publicly and winking at it privately like many other countries (and many police forces even in the United States), Israeli officials sought to codify what was and was not permissible in order to wage the most effective battle against terrorism within the rule of law.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Torture is a crime against humanity. That there are perhaps worse crimes doesn't change this.

Really? Says who? Not in a legal sense

Says everyone with any decency, and yes, in a legal sense as well. As a signatory to the Geneva Convention the United States is forbidden to torture. Redefining your activities as "enhanced interrogation" does nothing to change this fact.

What? We were discussing Crimes Against Humanity

and I haven't condoned torture in the way it was supossedly done

Then define for us what a "Crime Against Humanity" in a legal sense is then. We know that torture is illegal, so what exactly are you talking about?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Torture is a crime against humanity. That there are perhaps worse crimes doesn't change this.

Really? Says who? Not in a legal sense

Says everyone with any decency, and yes, in a legal sense as well. As a signatory to the Geneva Convention the United States is forbidden to torture. Redefining your activities as "enhanced interrogation" does nothing to change this fact.

What? We were discussing Crimes Against Humanity

and I haven't condoned torture in the way it was supossedly done

Then define for us what a "Crime Against Humanity" in a legal sense is then. We know that torture is illegal, so what exactly are you talking about?

Real cases: Situations and cases

definition?
Crimes against humanity - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

. Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Crimes against humanity, as defined by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court Explanatory Memorandum, "are particularly odious offences in that they constitute a serious attack on human dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of human beings."[1] They are not isolated or sporadic events, but are part either of a government policy (although the perpetrators need not identify themselves with this policy) or of a wide practice of atrocities tolerated or condoned by a government or a de facto authority. Murder; massacres; dehumanization; extermination; human experimentation; extrajudicial punishments; military use of children; kidnappings; unjust imprisonment; slavery; cannibalism, torture; rape; political, racial, or religious persecution; and other inhumane acts reach the threshold of crimes against humanity only if they are part of a widespread or systematic practice. Isolated inhumane acts of this nature may instead constitute grave infringements of human rights, or — depending on the circumstances — war crimes, but are not classified as crimes against humanity.

 

[JakeStarkey]

CIA Torture = Crimes Against Humanity?

Of course they are, and we have executed war criminals for torture.

And the criminals know who they are; that's why they won't be traveling to most of Western Europe. . . ever.

What is interesting to see if some of the criminals who live on the borders with Mexico and Canada are "extradited" a la Eichmann.

Unlike Eichmann, the won't have to watch that "final step".

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

CIA Torture = Crimes Against Humanity?

Of course they are, and we have executed war criminals for torture.

And the criminals know who they are; that's why they won't be traveling to most of Western Europe. . . ever.

What is interesting to see if some of the criminals who live on the borders with Mexico and Canada are "extradited" a la Eichmann.

Unlike Eichmann, the won't have to watch that "final step".

A War Crime is not always a Crime against Humanity/ Look it up

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Torture is a crime against humanity. That there are perhaps worse crimes doesn't change this.

Really? Says who? Not in a legal sense

Says everyone with any decency, and yes, in a legal sense as well. As a signatory to the Geneva Convention the United States is forbidden to torture. Redefining your activities as "enhanced interrogation" does nothing to change this fact.

What? We were discussing Crimes Against Humanity

and I haven't condoned torture in the way it was supossedly done

Then define for us what a "Crime Against Humanity" in a legal sense is then. We know that torture is illegal, so what exactly are you talking about?

Real cases: Situations and cases

definition?
Crimes against humanity - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

. Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Crimes against humanity, as defined by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court Explanatory Memorandum, "are particularly odious offences in that they constitute a serious attack on human dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of human beings."[1] They are not isolated or sporadic events, but are part either of a government policy (although the perpetrators need not identify themselves with this policy) or of a wide practice of atrocities tolerated or condoned by a government or a de facto authority. Murder; massacres; dehumanization; extermination; human experimentation; extrajudicial punishments; military use of children; kidnappings; unjust imprisonment; slavery; cannibalism, torture; rape; political, racial, or religious persecution; and other inhumane acts reach the threshold of crimes against humanity only if they are part of a widespread or systematic practice. Isolated inhumane acts of this nature may instead constitute grave infringements of human rights, or — depending on the circumstances — war crimes, but are not classified as crimes against humanity.

Well the torture was an attack on human dignity, and it was the systematic practice of the U.S. government not limited to the CIA, but also including the military and rendition to countries like Egypt, Libya, and Syria, which were all left out of the report. Whether you want to call them crimes against humanity is irrelevant, though the threshold you spelled out above is obviously met by the torture. The simple fact is that torture is illegal, and the U.S. has acted in a way that it often condemns so-called "rogue states" for doing.

 

[Darkwind]

Funny thing is, that would actually be torture.

The CIA? Not so much.

 

[JakeStarkey]

In this case it is such.

 

[whitehall]

Let's see, elite Military personnel undergo waterboarding in training so how can it be "a crime against humanity"? When lefties manage to change or expand the definition of "torture" it opens the door for anti-American rhetoric. Our enemies are beheading captives with knives and stoning women to death for minor infractions and selling children into slavery. Jihad maniacs use their own bodies for shrapnel when they kill Jews in marketplaces or at religious services. One of our own Army officers killed about a dozen of his own men in an insane islamic jihad frenzy. At least one of the president's friends and political advisers engaged in a decade long spree of "crimes against humanity" when he terrorized America with bombs and he is still a wheeler and dealer in Chicago democrat politics.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Let's see, elite Military personnel undergo waterboarding in training so how can it be "a crime against humanity"? When lefties manage to change or expand the definition of "torture" it opens the door for anti-American rhetoric. Our enemies are beheading captives with knives and stoning women to death for minor infractions and selling children into slavery. Jihad maniacs use their own bodies for shrapnel when they kill Jews in marketplaces or at religious services. One of our own Army officers killed about a dozen of his own men in an insane islamic jihad frenzy. At least one of the president's friends and political advisers engaged in a decade long spree of "crimes against humanity" when he terrorized America with bombs and he is still a wheeler and dealer in Chicago democrat politics.

This post is based on the incorrect premises that water boarding is the only form of torture that the CIA undertook, and that somehow the crimes of terrorists whitewash torturing people including innocent people.

 

[whitehall]

Let's see, elite Military personnel undergo waterboarding in training so how can it be "a crime against humanity"? When lefties manage to change or expand the definition of "torture" it opens the door for anti-American rhetoric. Our enemies are beheading captives with knives and stoning women to death for minor infractions and selling children into slavery. Jihad maniacs use their own bodies for shrapnel when they kill Jews in marketplaces or at religious services. One of our own Army officers killed about a dozen of his own men in an insane islamic jihad frenzy. At least one of the president's friends and political advisers engaged in a decade long spree of "crimes against humanity" when he terrorized America with bombs and he is still a wheeler and dealer in Chicago democrat politics.

This post is based on the incorrect premises that water boarding is the only form of torture that the CIA undertook, and that somehow the crimes of terrorists whitewash torturing people including innocent people.

American POW's have been victims of real torture in every conflict since WW1 . Apparently the American left is inclined to forgive and forget in the spirit of bi-partisanship when a Hollywood actress supports the real torture of American POW's in Vietnam. The point is that the left has expanded the definition of "torture" to include embarrassment and discomfort. Remember when the radical left went crazy when it was alleged that Marines mishandled the Koran at Gitmo? What would happen to Christians worldwide if they were caught with a Bible? The Bush administration authorized millions of taxpayer dollars to feed captured terrorists with food authorized by a 6th century freaking document. American POW's lived on rat guts in three wars started during democrat administrations. I'd say the torture issue is a ridiculous issue designed by the left and authorized by the lame duck democrats as a desperate scorched earth agenda before the democrat party becomes redundant.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"The point is that the left has expanded the definition of "torture" to include embarrassment and discomfort." Give us some examples, sunbeam.

 

[whitehall]

"The point is that the left has expanded the definition of "torture" to include embarrassment and discomfort." Give us some examples, sunbeam.

Give us examples of alleged American torture, moonbeam.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I see that you fail, sunshine, yet again.

You make it to easy. The Senate report rebuts you, and you inability to answer sensibly guts you.

 

[MaryL]

There are issues from WWII that are still being held back from the public awareness even though all the people on all sides are long dead. WHY did the Obama administration allow this to go public? People are going to get hurt as a result of these disclosures of CIA interrogation tactics. Obama knows this...This isn't about fairness or anything else, Obama isn't fit to be president, let alone lick my foot. I am really getting to hate Obama. Despite himself, he cost me my job with this health care shit my employer couldn't afford, he promotes illegal aliens, I can't relate to this man in million years. He is the commander in chief and talks about racism, right, mean while back at the ranch...