Church goers must take their firearms with them to Church

[2aguy]

2aguy and family going to church.

Maybe you can explain to me why after all the gun laws bans and confiscations in the UK since the 1960's that the murder rate is actually higher than it was in the 1950's

I mean if tough gun laws, outright bans and confiscations lower the murder rate shouldn't the murder rate in the UK be lower than before all those things came to be?

It is up more than they want to admit......up 89% in 2009.....and it keeps going up....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.





The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .



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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

 

[Brain357]

I haven't let anyone out of jail.

Yes it does. We lead the world in mass shootings, police shootings, police deaths, accidental shootings, gun violence... Too many guns.

We had 7 mass shootings last year....7 people out of 320 million.....2 of them were muslim terrorists....

We have mass shootings all the time.
Mass Shooting Tracker

Those aren't mass shootings....those are gangs shooting at each other at parties and over drug turf......

This is the actual list...from anti-gun, left wing Mother Jones.....they actually list only mass public shootings....not every gang banger shooting someone over a facebook insult......troll.

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2017: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation

Look like massive numbers of people shot. The police have to deal with all these shootings. That is why so may people get shot. Too many guns.

Americans use guns to stop crime......Europeans allowed 12 million unarmed men, women and children to be gassed to death by the Germans.....averaged out, that total far surpasses even our criminals murdering each other.....

An armed society doesn't have mass murder, genocide and ethnic cleansing....just ask Mexico...where the unarmed people are murdered by the police and the drug cartels...right across our border......

While Americans use guns to stop violent criminals......

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

And the result of having too many guns:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

 

[Brain357]

Yes most the concealed carry increase has been in recent years. And this is the result:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

The Ferguson effect is the problem. Troll. Since crime went down as more Americans owned and carried guns up to 2015, when obama and black lies matter started attacking the police.....troll.

And ferguson is because we have too many guns. Police shoot more people than in any other country because we have too many guns.

Moron.....Ferguson was a thug attacking a police officer.....and then people like you lied about it.

It wasn't about one event. It was obviously a build up of many. Too many guns.

Moron...thugs attacking people and getting killed for it ......and then people like you lied about what happened......this is on you.

No it was following years of police shooting many. That's what happens when you flood the country with guns.

 

[Brain357]

well, let's see, who to believe.... your colon, or a scientific study.... hmm, tough call...

So maybe you can explain since BrainDead won't why states with the most lax gun laws have lower murder rates than states with the strictest gun laws or why the murder rate in the UK went UP not down after all their gun laws bans and confiscations.

<<So maybe you can explain since BrainDead won't why states with the most lax gun laws have lower murder rates than states with the strictest gun laws>>


because the States with the strictest gun laws implemented them because of their high gun violence. You really couldn't puzzle that one out all by yourself?

And yet those strict gun laws don't reduce the murder rate do they?

Now tell me why the murder rate in those strict gun law states is higher than Utah the state with the most lax gun laws in the country.

And tell me why despite all the gun laws bans and confiscations in the UK since the 60's the murder rate is actually higher than it was in 1950.

Utah? Utah doesn't have a major city.

Never heard of Salt Lake City?

So now let me get this straight it's cities that cause murders not guns?

You have been saying stricter gun laws will lower the murder rate I have shown you that is completely untrue

Yes I have, it's tiny compared to actual major cities...

 

[Brain357]

<<So maybe you can explain since BrainDead won't why states with the most lax gun laws have lower murder rates than states with the strictest gun laws>>


because the States with the strictest gun laws implemented them because of their high gun violence. You really couldn't puzzle that one out all by yourself?

And yet those strict gun laws don't reduce the murder rate do they?

Now tell me why the murder rate in those strict gun law states is higher than Utah the state with the most lax gun laws in the country.

And tell me why despite all the gun laws bans and confiscations in the UK since the 60's the murder rate is actually higher than it was in 1950.

Link Between Gun Ownership Rates and Murders of Women | SPH | Boston University
The study found that for every 10 percentage point increase in state-level gun ownership, the female gun-related homicide rate increased by 10.2 percent. That suggests, the authors said, that if the proportion of gun ownership in Wyoming was to fall from 73 percent (the average level between 1981 and 2013) to 40 percent, its female homicide rate could be predicted to drop by about 33 percent.

Yeah....not guns.....violent men. These women are in relationships with criminals, addicts and these men have violence in their histories.....guns aren't the issue, the choices in boyfriends and husbands are the issue.....but thanks for trying.

And gun ownership leads to more death.

Then why do states with the most lax gun laws have lower murder rates than the states with the strictest gun laws?

That isn't true as I have already pointed out in several ways.

 

[Brain357]

<<So maybe you can explain since BrainDead won't why states with the most lax gun laws have lower murder rates than states with the strictest gun laws>>


because the States with the strictest gun laws implemented them because of their high gun violence. You really couldn't puzzle that one out all by yourself?

And yet those strict gun laws don't reduce the murder rate do they?

Now tell me why the murder rate in those strict gun law states is higher than Utah the state with the most lax gun laws in the country.

And tell me why despite all the gun laws bans and confiscations in the UK since the 60's the murder rate is actually higher than it was in 1950.

The Relationship Between Gun Ownership and Firearm Homicide Rates in the United States, 1981–2010
The correlation of gun ownership with firearm homicide rates was substantial. Results from our model showed that a 1-SD difference in the gun ownership proxy measure, FS/S, was associated with a 12.9% difference in firearm homicide rates. All other factors being equal, our model would predict that if the FS/S in Mississippi were 57.7% (the average for all states) instead of 76.8% (the highest of all states), its firearm homicide rate would be 17% lower.

Sorry....actual facts show this is wrong...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Wow still trying?

That increase is insignificant as compared to the drop in violent crimes over the past 20 years

The drop following the Bill Clinton crime bill and strengthened gun control? After years of weakening gun control and increased carry we get this:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

 

[Brain357]

Only in the USA, thanks gun culture:
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year

 

[Brain357]

What happens regularly here is extremely rare in countries with gun control:
One police officer killed, other wounded in Georgia shooting

Another one of our best lost.

 

[Brain357]

<<So maybe you can explain since BrainDead won't why states with the most lax gun laws have lower murder rates than states with the strictest gun laws>>


because the States with the strictest gun laws implemented them because of their high gun violence. You really couldn't puzzle that one out all by yourself?

And yet those strict gun laws don't reduce the murder rate do they?

Now tell me why the murder rate in those strict gun law states is higher than Utah the state with the most lax gun laws in the country.

And tell me why despite all the gun laws bans and confiscations in the UK since the 60's the murder rate is actually higher than it was in 1950.

Link Between Gun Ownership Rates and Murders of Women | SPH | Boston University
The study found that for every 10 percentage point increase in state-level gun ownership, the female gun-related homicide rate increased by 10.2 percent. That suggests, the authors said, that if the proportion of gun ownership in Wyoming was to fall from 73 percent (the average level between 1981 and 2013) to 40 percent, its female homicide rate could be predicted to drop by about 33 percent.

Yeah....not guns.....violent men. These women are in relationships with criminals, addicts and these men have violence in their histories.....guns aren't the issue, the choices in boyfriends and husbands are the issue.....but thanks for trying.

And gun ownership leads to more death.

Then why do states with the most lax gun laws have lower murder rates than the states with the strictest gun laws?

Have you looked at alaska? Louisiana?

 

[2aguy]

And yet those strict gun laws don't reduce the murder rate do they?

Now tell me why the murder rate in those strict gun law states is higher than Utah the state with the most lax gun laws in the country.

And tell me why despite all the gun laws bans and confiscations in the UK since the 60's the murder rate is actually higher than it was in 1950.

The Relationship Between Gun Ownership and Firearm Homicide Rates in the United States, 1981–2010
The correlation of gun ownership with firearm homicide rates was substantial. Results from our model showed that a 1-SD difference in the gun ownership proxy measure, FS/S, was associated with a 12.9% difference in firearm homicide rates. All other factors being equal, our model would predict that if the FS/S in Mississippi were 57.7% (the average for all states) instead of 76.8% (the highest of all states), its firearm homicide rate would be 17% lower.

Sorry....actual facts show this is wrong...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Wow still trying?

That increase is insignificant as compared to the drop in violent crimes over the past 20 years

The drop following the Bill Clinton crime bill and strengthened gun control? After years of weakening gun control and increased carry we get this:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

The assault weapon ban and the brady bill did nothing to lower the gun crime rate.....and as you keep posting as if you are intelligent....we have shown that until obama and the left attacked police in 2015, the gun crime, and gun murder rates were going down, not up, as we went from 300 million guns in private hands to 600 million guns....and as we went from 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense to over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense.....law abiding people carrying guns does not increase the gun crime rate.

 

[2aguy]

Only in the USA, thanks gun culture:
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year

And they are lying.......the truth...

Accidental death of children in a country of 320 million people with 600 million guns and 16.3 million carrying guns for self defense...
WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports
2015...48
2014...50
2013...69
2012...58
2011...74
2010...62
2009...48
2008...62
2007...65
2006...54
2005...75
2004...63
2003...56
2002...60
2001...72
2000...86
1999...88

Total number of accidental gun deaths as more Americans now own and carry guns....in a country of over 320 million people...keep in mind...in 2015

Car accidental deaths...

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html
Total car accidental death....

2015....36,161
2014....33,736
2013....33,804
2012....34,935

Total Accidental gun deaths......

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

 

[2aguy]

What happens regularly here is extremely rare in countries with gun control:
One police officer killed, other wounded in Georgia shooting

Another one of our best lost.

and another thing that doesn't happen in countries that take guns away from normal people...those normal people saving themselves from criminals

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

And yet those strict gun laws don't reduce the murder rate do they?

Now tell me why the murder rate in those strict gun law states is higher than Utah the state with the most lax gun laws in the country.

And tell me why despite all the gun laws bans and confiscations in the UK since the 60's the murder rate is actually higher than it was in 1950.

Link Between Gun Ownership Rates and Murders of Women | SPH | Boston University
The study found that for every 10 percentage point increase in state-level gun ownership, the female gun-related homicide rate increased by 10.2 percent. That suggests, the authors said, that if the proportion of gun ownership in Wyoming was to fall from 73 percent (the average level between 1981 and 2013) to 40 percent, its female homicide rate could be predicted to drop by about 33 percent.

Yeah....not guns.....violent men. These women are in relationships with criminals, addicts and these men have violence in their histories.....guns aren't the issue, the choices in boyfriends and husbands are the issue.....but thanks for trying.

And gun ownership leads to more death.

Then why do states with the most lax gun laws have lower murder rates than the states with the strictest gun laws?

Have you looked at alaska? Louisiana?

Alaska...really? Where they have lots of crime in Indian controlled areas....and Louisiana...where the biggest cities are controlled by democrats and their lax policies toward violent criminals? Try harder.

 

[Brain357]

The Relationship Between Gun Ownership and Firearm Homicide Rates in the United States, 1981–2010
The correlation of gun ownership with firearm homicide rates was substantial. Results from our model showed that a 1-SD difference in the gun ownership proxy measure, FS/S, was associated with a 12.9% difference in firearm homicide rates. All other factors being equal, our model would predict that if the FS/S in Mississippi were 57.7% (the average for all states) instead of 76.8% (the highest of all states), its firearm homicide rate would be 17% lower.

Sorry....actual facts show this is wrong...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Wow still trying?

That increase is insignificant as compared to the drop in violent crimes over the past 20 years

The drop following the Bill Clinton crime bill and strengthened gun control? After years of weakening gun control and increased carry we get this:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

The assault weapon ban and the brady bill did nothing to lower the gun crime rate.....and as you keep posting as if you are intelligent....we have shown that until obama and the left attacked police in 2015, the gun crime, and gun murder rates were going down, not up, as we went from 300 million guns in private hands to 600 million guns....and as we went from 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense to over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense.....law abiding people carrying guns does not increase the gun crime rate.

Yes the unrest if because we have too many guns. Our police shoot way more people than any other country. Too many guns. And with concealed carry increasing we see the results:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

 

[2aguy]

Sorry....actual facts show this is wrong...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Wow still trying?

That increase is insignificant as compared to the drop in violent crimes over the past 20 years

The drop following the Bill Clinton crime bill and strengthened gun control? After years of weakening gun control and increased carry we get this:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

The assault weapon ban and the brady bill did nothing to lower the gun crime rate.....and as you keep posting as if you are intelligent....we have shown that until obama and the left attacked police in 2015, the gun crime, and gun murder rates were going down, not up, as we went from 300 million guns in private hands to 600 million guns....and as we went from 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense to over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense.....law abiding people carrying guns does not increase the gun crime rate.

Yes the unrest if because we have too many guns. Our police shoot way more people than any other country. Too many guns. And with concealed carry increasing we see the results:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

No...we don't have too many guns...democrats refuse to lock up repeat, violent criminals, who keep gettting out of jail, and then use illegal guns to shoot people. Normal, law abiding people are not shooting each other or police.....and up until 2015 when obama, you and the other left wingers lied about what happened to Trayvon Martin and Ferguson, the violent crime rate went down, not up....but needing to start a new push for gun control, you and obama decided to hamstring the police, so that the crime rate would go up, so you could push gun control.....just like obama tried with FAst and Furious until he was caught.....

Hard Data, Hollow Protests



The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them.

And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it. Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

 

[Brain357]

Only in the USA, thanks gun culture:
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year

And they are lying.......the truth...

Accidental death of children in a country of 320 million people with 600 million guns and 16.3 million carrying guns for self defense...
WISQARS Leading Causes of Death Reports
2015...48
2014...50
2013...69
2012...58
2011...74
2010...62
2009...48
2008...62
2007...65
2006...54
2005...75
2004...63
2003...56
2002...60
2001...72
2000...86
1999...88

Total number of accidental gun deaths as more Americans now own and carry guns....in a country of over 320 million people...keep in mind...in 2015

Car accidental deaths...

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html
Total car accidental death....

2015....36,161
2014....33,736
2013....33,804
2012....34,935

Total Accidental gun deaths......

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

The link states toddlers are killing people. Sometimes their mom, sometimes other toddlers....

That is a lot of death just for accidents. Then throw in 2 years of increasing violent crime. Mass shooting victims. Over 50 cops killed each year....

 

[Brain357]

What happens regularly here is extremely rare in countries with gun control:
One police officer killed, other wounded in Georgia shooting

Another one of our best lost.

and another thing that doesn't happen in countries that take guns away from normal people...those normal people saving themselves from criminals

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Yes and countries with strong gun control have much lower crime rates and we see what is happening with increased carry:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

 

[Brain357]

Link Between Gun Ownership Rates and Murders of Women | SPH | Boston University
The study found that for every 10 percentage point increase in state-level gun ownership, the female gun-related homicide rate increased by 10.2 percent. That suggests, the authors said, that if the proportion of gun ownership in Wyoming was to fall from 73 percent (the average level between 1981 and 2013) to 40 percent, its female homicide rate could be predicted to drop by about 33 percent.

Yeah....not guns.....violent men. These women are in relationships with criminals, addicts and these men have violence in their histories.....guns aren't the issue, the choices in boyfriends and husbands are the issue.....but thanks for trying.

And gun ownership leads to more death.

Then why do states with the most lax gun laws have lower murder rates than the states with the strictest gun laws?

Have you looked at alaska? Louisiana?

Alaska...really? Where they have lots of crime in Indian controlled areas....and Louisiana...where the biggest cities are controlled by democrats and their lax policies toward violent criminals? Try harder.

Don't have to try harder, both have strong gun ownership, lax laws, and lots of homicide.

 

[2aguy]

What happens regularly here is extremely rare in countries with gun control:
One police officer killed, other wounded in Georgia shooting

Another one of our best lost.

and another thing that doesn't happen in countries that take guns away from normal people...those normal people saving themselves from criminals

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Yes and countries with strong gun control have much lower crime rates and we see what is happening with increased carry:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

No....Chicago, Baltimore, D.C...have extreme gun control and they are the reason the violent crime rate went up.....it has nothing to do with guns, it has everything with people like you attacking the police.

 

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What happens regularly here is extremely rare in countries with gun control:
One police officer killed, other wounded in Georgia shooting

Another one of our best lost.

and another thing that doesn't happen in countries that take guns away from normal people...those normal people saving themselves from criminals

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Yes and countries with strong gun control have much lower crime rates and we see what is happening with increased carry:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

No....Chicago, Baltimore, D.C...have extreme gun control and they are the reason the violent crime rate went up.....it has nothing to do with guns, it has everything with people like you attacking the police.

I'm not attacking police, I'm trying to help them. We lose over 50 a year, this is unheard of in countries with gun control.

City gun control doesn't stop guns from coming in. Cities have no walls. You should understand that.