Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God

[Dajjal]

Many people get upset when they hear muslims claiming that Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and other biblical heros, are muslims.

The confusion is in the the word muslim.

Muslim in arabic means a person who 'submits' to the worship of 'the one God'. (monotheism)

Thus, by that definition, Jesus and the Prophets in the Torah were all muslims. ......

But Christians worship the trinity. The father, son and holy ghost.

 

[Sunni Man]

Sadly, the Christians have over time morphed into pagan polytheists. ......

 

[Mudda]

Sadly, the Christians have over time morphed into pagan polytheists. ......

Sadly, Muslims are still backwards, bloodthirsty child sellers. ......

 

[Dajjal]

Sadly, the Christians have over time morphed into pagan polytheists. ......

And Muslims have become blasphemers, against the holy ghost. The one unforgivable sin.

 

[Dajjal]

I am pasting in one of my previous posts about this.

The quran states quite clearly that God is one, and it is a blasphemy to say Jesus is the son of God, at sura 5.72 and it is a blasphemy to say God is part of a trinity. at sura 5.73.

Sura 5.72 They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary"

Sura 5.73 They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no God except One God.

But the bible says you may be forgiven for blasphemy against Jesus, but to deny the Holy Ghost will not be forgiven. Therefore if the bible is right then Muhammad was an unforgivable blasphemer.
Only one book can be right, and there is no room for adjustment here. So it is quite clear that the quran does not confirm all the previous messages, as it claims to do at sura 10.37

Sura 10.37 This quran is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of revelations that went before it, and a fuller explanation.


It is clear where Muhammad got the idea of claiming he received the quran from the angel Gabriel in the bible, as the angel is sent to Zacharias to tell him of the coming of John the baptist at Luke 1.11 to 1.20 The angel Gabriel also visited Mary to tell her about Jesus at Luke 1.27

But the bible states that it was the Holy Ghost that spoke through Jesus, and later the through the disciples, so the angel Gabriel was not required to tell the word of God, as God himself in the form of the holy Ghost speaks with the mouth of his true messengers.
Therefore what doubt can there be that Muhammad invented a lie about God, and said he was told what was written on a tablet in heaven, and he remembered the message and passed it on to his followers. There can be no clearer indictment of Muhammad as a false prophet than the denial of the trinity, and the power of the holy spirit to speak through a true messenger.
Muhammad could not speak without thinking about his words, as he might contradict himself or make errors. Which of course, he did do anyway. But he gave himself time to go away and think up his next statement by claiming he had to get the message from Gabriel.


The following are the bible texts that state denying the Holy Ghost is an unforgivable sin, but denying Jesus is not.

Matthew:12:31: Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Matthew:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Matthew29: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Luke:12 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.


These are some more verses that explain the concept that the Holy Ghost is God within us. which is the message Muhammad denies, and for which there is no forgiveness.

1Co:6 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Co:12 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

1Jo:5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


The only conclusion anyone can really draw from this complete contradiction between the message of the New Testament, that the Holy Ghost enters true prophets, and God speaks through them, and the message of the quran that Muhammad claims he received as dictation from the angel Gabriel.
Is that Muhammad has committed the unforgivable blasphemy by denying The holy ghost and that Jesus was a part of God, and as a consequence denying the concept that God is within us all. So by the terms of the New Testament, Muhammad has and consigned himself to hell.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Sadly, the Christians have over time morphed into pagan polytheists. ......

Wrong again.
I worship God the Father
in the name of Jesus Christ
by the power of the Holy Ghost.
Jesus is not the Father, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost

 

[tyroneweaver]

A picture is worth a thousand words

Dang, the anti christ and his false prophet.

 

[Sunni Man]

I worship God the Father
in the name of Jesus Christ
by the power of the Holy Ghost.
Jesus is not the Father, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost

The trinity is basically pagan polytheism. .......

 

[Dajjal]

The trinity is basically pagan polytheism. .......

Watch out, the bible may be right and Muhammad may have lied, and if so you are denying the Holy Ghost.


Matthew:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

 

[Sunni Man]

Watch out, the bible may be right and Muhammad may have lied, and if so you are denying the Holy Ghost.
Matthew:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Some random bible verse means absolutely zero to me. .......

 

[kjw47]

Actually no...

... Muslims worship Allah the Egyptian moon god...

... Christians worship Jehovah.

99% of religions that claim Christianity--do not listen to Jesus
The Muslims--do not listen to Jesus.
97% of all religions claiming Christianity--serve a non existent trinity god, created at the councils of Catholicism.

 

[Dajjal]

Watch out, the bible may be right and Muhammad may have lied, and if so you are denying the Holy Ghost.
Matthew:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Some random bible quote means absolutely zero to me. .......

The Quran says it confirms all the previous messages, but it does not, it contradicts them.
And you don't smell a rat.

 

[Sunni Man]

The Quran says it confirms all the previous messages, but it does not, it contradicts them.

The bible in use today has been corrupted with many verses added and deleted.

So no, we do not depend on the current version of the Bible to validate our religion. ......

 

[Dajjal]

The Quran says it confirms all the previous messages, but it does not, it contradicts them.

The bible in use today has been corrupted with many verses added and deleted.

So no, we do not depend on the current version of the Bible to validate our religion. ......

The Quran was edited down from four versions to one by Kaliph Uthman. and censored by a goat that ate some of it.

Here is the Quran saying it confirms what was written before it, Even though it actually contradicts the bible.


3.3 It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book,
confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the
Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the
criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

10.37 This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than God; on the
contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a
fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the
worlds.

 

[Sunni Man]

Sorry Dajjaltard........but I'm not going to waste my time engaging your nonsense.

Bye ........

 

[Dot Com]

The muslims also claim the godman jesus as their own

Pope Francis would seem to agree. He is, in many ways, working to repair damage done by Benedict, the previous pontiff, in his infamous lecture at the University of Regensburg in Germany, where some of his remarks were taken, possibly out of context, to be anti-Islam. As if in reaction, the current pontiff has gone out of his way to forge alliances with Islam, praying that religious tolerance will ultimately prevail in the Middle East.

this is true. Monotheism encompasses these two plus judaism. Hence, why I'm an atheist

 

[Dajjal]

Sorry Dajjaltard........but I'm not going to waste my time engaging your nonsense.

Bye ........

The Preservation of the Qur'an and synoptic Qur'ans

 

[guno]

Don't you nut bags even think that our God is connected to your god. A Christian that in any shape or form worships allah will not be saved.

Allah of the muslims is the exact same God of the Bible which both Christians and Jews believe.

In fact, a Bible in the middle east used in arab churches will have the name Allah written instead of God in the verses. .......

Even the oriental jews (arabs who are jews) call God Allah, it is the word for god

 

[guno]

Sadly, the Christians have over time morphed into pagan polytheists. ......

Wrong again.
I worship God the Father
in the name of Jesus Christ
by the power of the Holy Ghost.
Jesus is not the Father, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost

I worship God the Father
in the name of Jesus Christ

PAGAN

 

[tyroneweaver]

Watch out, the bible may be right and Muhammad may have lied, and if so you are denying the Holy Ghost.
Matthew:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Some random bible verse means absolutely zero to me. .......

Random Bible verse. Where can tyroneweaver go with this one.
Is 14:12

I worship God the Father
in the name of Jesus Christ
by the power of the Holy Ghost.
Jesus is not the Father, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost

The trinity is basically pagan polytheism. .......

...and worshiping the kaaba stone isn't???