China has carrier-killer missile, U.S. admiral says

[zzzz]

You people are amazing. We maintain a military base on Taiwan.

Where is it located? I do not know of any on the Island. We do not recognize Taiwan as an independant country, therefore we do not have diplomatic relations with them or an embassy so no Marines are there.

We sure as heck DO have relations with them..and have for a long time. We DO recognize Taiwan as an independent country. For a long time we maintained a subtle pact to defend Taiwan until George W. Bush declared we would respond to any attack by China.

Ching Chuan Kang Air Base - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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On 13 November 1973, the 374th TAW was reassigned to Clark AB Philippines. In 1979, normalization of relations with the People's Republic of China (PRC) led to the withdrawal of USAF personnel from the base.

 

[Sallow]

Where is it located? I do not know of any on the Island. We do not recognize Taiwan as an independant country, therefore we do not have diplomatic relations with them or an embassy so no Marines are there.

We sure as heck DO have relations with them..and have for a long time. We DO recognize Taiwan as an independent country. For a long time we maintained a subtle pact to defend Taiwan until George W. Bush declared we would respond to any attack by China.

Ching Chuan Kang Air Base - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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On 13 November 1973, the 374th TAW was reassigned to Clark AB Philippines. In 1979, normalization of relations with the People's Republic of China (PRC) led to the withdrawal of USAF personnel from the base.

We still have a presence there.

 

[uscitizen]

It's originally a Russian development. The technology was sold to Iran, which in turn sold it to China. It is a fearsome, ship-killing missile for which there is no available countermeasure.

It's called the Sunburn and is not new but has been around for several years. What makes it so dangerous is it flies faster than the speed of sound, carries an enormous payload (powerful enough to sink a carrier) and it follows a sensor-maintained flight path no higher than six feet above the surface of the water, which makes it undetectable by conventional radar. And it costs less than a low-grade fighter plane to produce.

We'd better hope that a countermeasure for this weapon is developed soon, because it conceivably could render our Naval warfare capability totally useless.

I'm sure there is a countermeasure, the missile has been around for a while. and this is different then the balistic missile quoted in the OP's message.

these missiles can still be shot down by AA missiles, it is just harder to do it. There are also additonal countermeasures, such as shooting down the launching aircraft, sinking the launching boat, or even creating large water plumes in the flight path of the missile.

Add in all the ECM/chaff/ etc countermeasures and the weapon is still a far cry from one shot one kill.

if it comes in like an Exocet which is not what was described in the op as you noted, yes we have counter measures, we have point defenses etc. that have been upgraded since say, the Falklands. I would think we studied that and fly our CAP further out than 30 miles and use side scan and underneath the envelope radar etc.

IF its a high flyer plunger, vectoring in a missile from 100K feet up, on to a surface moving at 30 knots,even at what appears to be a huge 1000 feet long and 200 feet wide is not as easy as it sounds. They'd need constant surveillance, interference free communications between the 'driver' all the way to the missile until it acquired the target, then of course we would attempt to jam its on-board homing devices.

Its size as in carrying a payload that could "kill" a carrier is a virtue in that its purportedly a one shot one kill, but the size required to make it so, means less maneuverability especially when its goes 'terminal' on its final flight path etc.

In 2008, an Aegis launched SM-3 intercepted and 'killed ' a decaying U.S. satellite re-entering the atmosphere at over 20,000 mph. Apparently we aren't asleep.

A decaying satellite has a known predictable flight path.

 

[Trajan]

I'm sure there is a countermeasure, the missile has been around for a while. and this is different then the balistic missile quoted in the OP's message.

these missiles can still be shot down by AA missiles, it is just harder to do it. There are also additonal countermeasures, such as shooting down the launching aircraft, sinking the launching boat, or even creating large water plumes in the flight path of the missile.

Add in all the ECM/chaff/ etc countermeasures and the weapon is still a far cry from one shot one kill.

if it comes in like an Exocet which is not what was described in the op as you noted, yes we have counter measures, we have point defenses etc. that have been upgraded since say, the Falklands. I would think we studied that and fly our CAP further out than 30 miles and use side scan and underneath the envelope radar etc.

IF its a high flyer plunger, vectoring in a missile from 100K feet up, on to a surface moving at 30 knots,even at what appears to be a huge 1000 feet long and 200 feet wide is not as easy as it sounds. They'd need constant surveillance, interference free communications between the 'driver' all the way to the missile until it acquired the target, then of course we would attempt to jam its on-board homing devices.

Its size as in carrying a payload that could "kill" a carrier is a virtue in that its purportedly a one shot one kill, but the size required to make it so, means less maneuverability especially when its goes 'terminal' on its final flight path etc.

In 2008, an Aegis launched SM-3 intercepted and 'killed ' a decaying U.S. satellite re-entering the atmosphere at over 20,000 mph. Apparently we aren't asleep.

A decaying satellite has a known predictable flight path.

I am aware.

 

[uscitizen]

I also remember the lies told to us by our government about the accuracy/effectiveness of the Patriot missles during the first gulf war.

 

[Douger]

So what China has ship killer missles. perhaps we can buy some from them?

Hopefully they work as well as everything else China produces...

You mean like the computer you posted that ignorant statement with ?

 

[Sallow]

I also remember the lies told to us by our government about the accuracy/effectiveness of the Patriot missles during the first gulf war.

They never hit a thing.

 

[Sallow]

So what China has ship killer missles. perhaps we can buy some from them?

Hopefully they work as well as everything else China produces...

You mean like the computer you posted that ignorant statement with ?

I have a 6 year old Alienware. Prior to Dell buying that company..it was Manufactured in the USA.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We were at war with China during the Viet Nam Crisis and Korea. Our Military were just not allowed to reference it in their reports, at least in relation to Nam.

I seriously doubt the Chinese sent troops to Vietnam. The two countries are hostile to each other..although they may have sent arms. Russians, however, are a different matter entirely.

there were over 40K Chinese troops ( and north koreans) in north Vietnam. they manned AA batteries, built roads, supervised building roads and bridges, drove trucks helped with logistics etc.

I happen to believe you are right, but please provide a credible link

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

ASo are we to go to war with a power that we could not whip twice before over a little island called Tiawan?

Of course they would enslave and torture the population of Taiwan just like they are doing to Hong Kong.

Could this be business interest driven?

We have NEVER really been at real war with China.

You also just answered your own question of why we need to stop them with your 2nd sentence.

We were at war with China during the Viet Nam Crisis and Korea. Our Military were just not allowed to reference it in their reports, at least in relation to Nam.

Exactly, hence: NEVER, REALLY.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

ASo are we to go to war with a power that we could not whip twice before over a little island called Tiawan?

Of course they would enslave and torture the population of Taiwan just like they are doing to Hong Kong.

Could this be business interest driven?

We have NEVER really been at real war with China.

You also just answered your own question of why we need to stop them with your 2nd sentence.

Sure we have. You really need to pick up a freaking book. You could start with "The Boxer Rebellion" and end with "Korea".

We're any of those official? Korea sure as hell wasn't. PROXY WARS DON'T COUNT YOU FLAMING DUMBASS.

Neither does a REBELLION.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Tell that to the Marines and army personnel that faced 250,000 Chinese that came across the NK border in November 1950 and kicked our ass. Tell that to my stepdad and his fellow heroes who fought their way from the reservoir in the middle of winter, taking their dead and wounded with them, to the coast for evacuation, having to fight every step of the way. Tell that to Tenth Army and I Corps that reeled way back before they could stabilize the front lines.

What an amazing statement you just made. R1, you have to evaluate the talking points your right wing masters are giving you. You just look incredibly stupid here with official and unofficial statuses. You need to think these things through.

 

[Ancient lion]

so, what ?!
Every one knows that China is growing rapidly - it knows how to use it's resources !

 

[Sallow]

We have NEVER really been at real war with China.

You also just answered your own question of why we need to stop them with your 2nd sentence.

Sure we have. You really need to pick up a freaking book. You could start with "The Boxer Rebellion" and end with "Korea".

We're any of those official? Korea sure as hell wasn't. PROXY WARS DON'T COUNT YOU FLAMING DUMBASS.

Neither does a REBELLION.

Proxy wars don't count? That takes the cake. Neither does Rebellion? I am sure the Americans that fought in the Revolution would be happy to hear that if they were alive.

Any way..neither were "Proxy wars". Chinese rebels fought Americans in the Boxer Rebellion and China sent troops to Korea.

 

[daveman]

Be scared. Be very very scared. And don't forget to hate the Chinese (they're not white people).
We need more weapons, bigger nukes, more nukes, small nukes too. Because they're out to get us. The Russians too, and don't forget the Muslims, Arabs, North Koreans and Iranians. Be scared. Hate. Remember, being scared and hating others will make you free.

If you had cast conservatives as the bad guys, I'd say you were reading an Obama Justice Department internal memo.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Proxy wars don't count? Really? Then what the fuck was Iraq? If you ask all 4,000 plus soldiers and their families, I'm pretty sure they'd tell you different.

Ya know..........If Righteous Lemming had actually completed boot camp and gone into a specialty that actually deals with weapons threats (Operations Specialist, etc.) and completed a full enlistment, I'd be willing to listen to what they say.

Unfortunately, he's never even made it through boot camp, much less to the Fleet, and therefore, his views are suspect.

 

[uscitizen]

Didn't the Boxer Rebellion involve our support of the opium trade?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nah, it supported European and Japanese imperialism against China's uprising against them at the turn of the century. British opium markets and China's opposition happened about sixty years earlier.

 

[Sallow]

I seriously doubt the Chinese sent troops to Vietnam. The two countries are hostile to each other..although they may have sent arms. Russians, however, are a different matter entirely.

there were over 40K Chinese troops ( and north koreans) in north Vietnam. they manned AA batteries, built roads, supervised building roads and bridges, drove trucks helped with logistics etc.

I happen to believe you are right, but please provide a credible link

I never heard of it..I know there were ROK troops there..I had several friends in Vietnam.

However, Intense seems to be pretty credible..but it might be one of those "spooky" things.

 

[JWBooth]

Didn't the Boxer Rebellion involve our support of the opium trade?

You're trying to coach folks whose depth of historical knowledge confuses WW1 with the death of Constantine.