Cheney confirms waterboarding and states "It's a no-brainer for me"

[glockmail]

..."this debate seems a little silly given the threat we face..."

 

[Mr. P]

I'll give you the benefit of the tremendous doubt. Describe for me moment by moment your experience on the board and anything that you said during that time. And don't lie about it.



Psychoblues

Moment by moment? It was 32 years ago...I'll post something though.

 

[CSM]

Moment by moment? It was 32 years ago...I'll post something though.

Isn't it incredibly ironic that a pathological liar like Psycho would DEMAND that someone else not lie!

 

[trobinett]

No, in fact he verified that it was and then went on to say that we do not torture. There is no fine line here.



You are as stupid as he is if you are advocating waterboarding and like interrogation techniques as viable for reliable information extraction. proven again and again they simply do not work and information derived from such techniques is unreliable. But,,,,WE don't use them,,,,,,,,,,,,,RRRRIIIIGGGHHHHTTT. Stupid is as Stupid Does.

Psychoblues

Psycho, rein it in.:talk2:

Are you an expert on interrogation techniques, and what is reliable, or unreliable?

I simple subscribe to the policy of information gathering, and if using somewhat more harsh techniques against TERROIST, than one would use with pow's upset you, well tough shit.

 

[glockmail]

Did you lie then too?
...

It appears to me that Psychoblues is reffering to the charge by the Democrats that those being aggressively interogated will say anything to make it stop. This has been proven false, of course, by the fact that the information gleaned has resulted in us being able to spoil their plans and capture or kill more terrorists.

 

[Mr. P]

Isn't it incredibly ironic that a pathological liar like Psycho would DEMAND that someone else not lie!

Yep..I'm working on the post..He'll not believe it but I don't really care.

 

[Mr. P]

For anyone that may have any interest in what I said about my experience with water-boarding here’s the story.

Near the end of the Vietnam conflict the Army finally realized that helicopter pilots were not prepared for possibly being POWs. So they developed a very extensive course.
This course was part of the flight school curriculum, conducted three weeks before graduation.

The course was a brutal combination of Escape and Evasion and a POW camp, with a few weeks of classroom and field training. It all concluded with the evasion/escape/POW exercise and it was dreaded by ALL!
.
November (the day after Thanksgiving) about 5:30pm we were dropped in the woods.
The objective was to make our way to a point several miles away where we would meet with a partisan who would feed us and would take us to a SAFE place, the enemy we had to avoid was an infantry company tasked with the mission of finding us.

If you were captured you went right to the POW camp.
I wasn’t captured and made it to the meeting place. After we ate some crappy stew as promised (about 12am) we were loaded onto a 2 ½ ton truck to be taken to the “SAFE” place.

Things looked good until the truck was ambushed. Blank gun fire everywhere.
Shouting and screaming from outside the truck.

Well, our traing was to resist, so I did. We were all laying down in the back of the truck when the screams came to get out. We didn’t. I still remember being drug out of that truck bed and landing flat on my back on a hard clay road. (The bed of the truck is about 4 ½ feet above the ground, for those that may not know. Correct me if I’m wrong, it’s been along time).

After unloading they put us back on the truck for a trip to the POW camp. I’ll always remember our escort/guard inside the back with us saying in a normal listen to me voice “do what they say, these guys will hurt you”.

When we arrived at the camp and got off the truck we were make to crawl on our hands a knees and not look up. If you did look up they were on you like white on rice physically beating you. Before entering the camp you had to see the Doctor. He was in a small wooden sorta outhouse size building with a door on the front and one on the back. The doors were cut up from the ground about 2 ft. you had to crawl under them and just answer the questions, but not stand nor look up. Then you crawled out the other side and HELL started. Keep in mind I’m not even in the camp yet.

Shall I continue, folks??????? There is much more but I don't need to write it if no one has interest..It is difficult.

 

[Psychoblues]

Please do, and don't let the 32 years of thinking about it distort your memory.

Moment by moment? It was 32 years ago...I'll post something though.

Yeah, you'll post another damn lie. Just another shitty day in paradise, right?

Psychoblues

 

[glockmail]

.....Shall I continue, folks??????? ....

We get the picture. Psycho wouldn't be convinced that a truck was coming if it ran him over.

 

[Psychoblues]

You still ain't said shit. Tell me, moment by moment and word for word how you reacted on the board. You only descibe elementary survival training. Tell me about the board that you "boast" as having endured and survived.

For anyone that may have any interest in what I said about my experience with water-boarding here’s the story.

Near the end of the Vietnam conflict the Army finally realized that helicopter pilots were not prepared for possibly being POWs. So they developed a very extensive course.
This course was part of the flight school curriculum, conducted three weeks before graduation.

The course was a brutal combination of Escape and Evasion and a POW camp, with a few weeks of classroom and field training. It all concluded with the evasion/escape/POW exercise and it was dreaded by ALL!
.
November (the day after Thanksgiving) about 5:30pm we were dropped in the woods.
The objective was to make our way to a point several miles away where we would meet with a partisan who would feed us and would take us to a SAFE place, the enemy we had to avoid was an infantry company tasked with the mission of finding us.

If you were captured you went right to the POW camp.
I wasn’t captured and made it to the meeting place. After we ate some crappy stew as promised (about 12am) we were loaded onto a 2 ½ ton truck to be taken to the “SAFE” place.

Things looked good until the truck was ambushed. Blank gun fire everywhere.
Shouting and screaming from outside the truck.

Well, our traing was to resist, so I did. We were all laying down in the back of the truck when the screams came to get out. We didn’t. I still remember being drug out of that truck bed and landing flat on my back on a hard clay road. (The bed of the truck is about 4 ½ feet above the ground, for those that may not know. Correct me if I’m wrong, it’s been along time).

After unloading they put us back on the truck for a trip to the POW camp. I’ll always remember our escort/guard inside the back with us saying in a normal listen to me voice “do what they say, these guys will hurt you”.

When we arrived at the camp and got off the truck we were make to crawl on our hands a knees and not look up. If you did look up they were on you like white on rice physically beating you. Before entering the camp you had to see the Doctor. He was in a small wooden sorta outhouse size building with a door on the front and one on the back. The doors were cut up from the ground about 2 ft. you had to crawl under them and just answer the questions, but not stand nor look up. Then you crawled out the other side and HELL started. Keep in mind I’m not even in the camp yet.

Shall I continue, folks??????? There is much more but I don't need to write it if no one has interest..It is difficult.

About the only thing difficult I see in your story is that you had to cut and paste about a lot of shit you obviously know nothing about. Give me the realism that I experienced and I'll tell you how close you come to accurate.

Psychoblues

 

[Mr. P]

You still ain't said shit. Tell me, moment by moment and word for word how you reacted on the board. You only descibe elementary survival training. Tell me about the board that you "boast" as having endured and survived.



About the only thing difficult I see in your story is that you had to cut and paste about a lot of shit you obviously know nothing about. Give me the realism that I experienced and I'll tell you how close you come to accurate.

Psychoblues

You ARE A TRUE FUCKING ASSHOLE!

 

[glockmail]

Don't fall for it, Mr. P.

 

[Mr. P]

Don't fall for it, Mr. P.

Thanks for reeling me back to earth.

 

[glockmail]

Thanks for reeling me back to earth.

It looks like I was about 20 seconds too late. I had Psycho pegged the first time I nailed him on a post- and he ignored it. He's a bomb thrower- a drive by. He can never defend himself.

 

[Avatar4321]

Shall I continue, folks??????? There is much more but I don't need to write it if no one has interest..It is difficult.

Actually its alot more i nteresting than the drivel psycho comes up with

 

[Avatar4321]

So does water boarding actually qualify as torture? I think that is the question we are getting at.

Is anyone killed by it?

Is anyone significantly hurt by it?

 

[manu1959]

did the cia use waterboarding during the blow job years?

 

[Psychoblues]

I'm just calling your lying ass out. YOU were never tortured on the board and you were never even on the board even for training purposes. You have already given us this much.

You ARE A TRUE FUCKING ASSHOLE!

No, asshole P. I am a Veteran, a true American, tried and true. I am nothing as you describe.

Now, go cry to your mama or someone else that can accept your lies and quit lying for chrissake.

Psychoblues

 

[manu1959]

You can assure me anything you want. I AM NOT LYING!!!!!!

Psychoblues

i belive you..........hard to lie if you don't know anything.

 

[glockmail]

did the cia use waterboarding during the blow job years?

Did Monica think she was drowning?