CDZ Chaos By the Bay

[Concerned American]

trump was the first and only candidate for president in 2016 who even recognized there was a problem with immigration and trade

the career 40-year plus swamp rats in Washington were just fine with flooding our country with shoeless Mexicans and exporting jobs to china

I'm OK with open borders. I think it's one of those "unalienable rights, endowed by our creator." I don't think any government should have the authority to tell people where they can or can't travel. Being around Mexican (many illegal), I realize the propaganda that went into the lefts support for the "WALL" many moons ago. It's the same rhetoric the right is using today. Same shit, different shovel.
Being a bad person isn't a nationality trait, It's a human nature trait.

The BIGGEST reason for jobs leaving the country isn't taxes or regulations. It's the USD value.
Example: In Mexico, $10hr is an upper class wage. Here in the US, it's a poverty wage. Same as China. Equalize the value of the Peso and the USD, and you end the immigration "situation." In 10 years, (or less) $15hr will be a poverty wage.

Trump did nothing to address the value of the USD. Probably because he wasn't allowed to. But he should've just been honest with the American people and said that. Something along the lines of "If I tried to tackle that problem, I'd be assassinated, like JFK." You know, just to let the American people know just how powerful those that control the supply and the value of the money really are. .

You have no understanding of economics.

 

[Donald H]

A buddy sent me this a few minutes ago



I don't think there is a an immediate fix- if you do, lets talk about it.

First off:
Do you really care?

If the answer is 'yes' then of course there is a fix for the situation, be the problem in the Bay area or throughout America.

Canada happens to be #1 in the world on 'quality of life' for it's people, while America has fallen to 15th. or even 17th. by some study estimates.

Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life | News

For the fifth year in a row, Canada is ranked the #1 country in the world in 2020 for Quality of Life, according to a global ranking from US News.

dailyhive.com

There's a list of parameters chosen as those which must be satisfied when judging 'quality of life' for any country's people. That list provides direct answers to your question and infers solutions to America's problem.

And so, do you really care?

Or should this thread just be seen as another attempt to promote biased politics for an excuse on why America is failing it's people so badly?

An additional point worth making is that this forum serves as exposure of the ugly facts on what America has become. A new future America regime could censor such damaging exposure as has become the norm on a discussion forum, for the good of the country.

But again as shown by history, it would be too late to hide anything.

And funny thing is Canada is fucked. They built their perfect little socialist paradise and yet there is no one to pay the bills. The US is at 100% debt to GDP. Canada is at 170% debt to GDP. The wheels are coming off its just a question of when.

Speaking of the George Floyd murder, fascism has become a real possibility and a definite threat to a country in which it's people would even debate the fact that the cop kneeled on a man's neck for 9 1/2 to make sure the man was stone dead.
Only a fascist regime could justify that and find doubt over the cop's guilt. He'll walk.

And when the cop walks, it will be proven that the law has become powerless to deal with the country's problems.
It happened in Nazi Germany in the same way and only fools would turn to the law for justice in either case.

You see, we should talk about it, and we need contributions from your side too in order to ask the right questions and provide answers.

 

[Concerned American]

A buddy sent me this a few minutes ago



I don't think there is a an immediate fix- if you do, lets talk about it.

First off:
Do you really care?

If the answer is 'yes' then of course there is a fix for the situation, be the problem in the Bay area or throughout America.

Canada happens to be #1 in the world on 'quality of life' for it's people, while America has fallen to 15th. or even 17th. by some study estimates.

Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life | News

For the fifth year in a row, Canada is ranked the #1 country in the world in 2020 for Quality of Life, according to a global ranking from US News.

dailyhive.com

There's a list of parameters chosen as those which must be satisfied when judging 'quality of life' for any country's people. That list provides direct answers to your question and infers solutions to America's problem.

And so, do you really care?

Or should this thread just be seen as another attempt to promote biased politics for an excuse on why America is failing it's people so badly?

An additional point worth making is that this forum serves as exposure of the ugly facts on what America has become. A new future America regime could censor such damaging exposure as has become the norm on a discussion forum, for the good of the country.

But again as shown by history, it would be too late to hide anything.

And funny thing is Canada is fucked. They built their perfect little socialist paradise and yet there is no one to pay the bills. The US is at 100% debt to GDP. Canada is at 170% debt to GDP. The wheels are coming off its just a question of when.

Speaking of the George Floyd murder, fascism has become a real possibility and a definite threat to a country in which it's people would even debate the fact that the cop kneeled on a man's neck for 9 1/2 to make sure the man was stone dead.
Only a fascist regime could justify that and find doubt over the cop's guilt. He'll walk.

And when the cop walks, it will be proven that the law has become powerless to deal with the country's problems.
It happened in Nazi Germany in the same way and only fools would turn to the law for justice in either case.

You see, we should talk about it, and we need contributions from your side too in order to ask the right questions and provide answers.

Eight minutes 46 seconds. No need to embellish.

 

[ESay]

was talking with my 18-year-old daughter last night about this very issue and she also watch this video. Her recommendation is to make drugs like alcohol, where it’s illegal to be intoxicated out in the streets same for using drugs out in public. She supports legalizing all drugs but thinks there should be a law against using out in public

Very wise opinion, I think. I don't know why it hasn't been implemented yet. My guess is that a certain group of powerful people makes a great deal of easy money out of that.

You’re right that there are certain groups that profit from the homeless populations, which is a very screwed up situation that needs to change.

The continued rate of acceleration of these growing tent populations is so overwhelming that many people are just giving up there homes/livelihood and moving away. If they don’t do something now as a last ditch effort, SF tent pops will eventually encapsulate the entire city, as more homeless are drawn there from other states. Warmer weather will now amplify the numbers, with gangs freely dealing drugs on street corners.

Btw- I’ll make sure to tell my daughter you gave her the thumbs up on her comment- it will make her smile which makes me smile-thanks

The main question is what the reasonable authorities should do in this situation. You can't just gather all these people and put them somewhere in the desert or behind the bars.

PS You are welcome. Best wishes to your daughter.

Well I got to say that what Damaged Eagle mentioned about setting up ranch type of temporary residence sounds promising, somewhere off the beaten path and staffed mostly by recovered addicts, they could work like halfway houses. A lot of drug addicts have a good act of pretending to be doing the right thing and on the right path and a former addict can better call them out by knowing the tricks of the trade.

Well, I have similar feeling. Maybe not ranches, but some rehabilitation centers. I think that the drugs issue is more about medical treatment. It is pointless to jail a person for consumption of drugs or keeping small amounts of it for personal usage. It changes nothing to the better, but only deteriorates the situation.

And of course they should be kept out of the streets and public places.

 

[Concerned American]

was talking with my 18-year-old daughter last night about this very issue and she also watch this video. Her recommendation is to make drugs like alcohol, where it’s illegal to be intoxicated out in the streets same for using drugs out in public. She supports legalizing all drugs but thinks there should be a law against using out in public

Very wise opinion, I think. I don't know why it hasn't been implemented yet. My guess is that a certain group of powerful people makes a great deal of easy money out of that.

You’re right that there are certain groups that profit from the homeless populations, which is a very screwed up situation that needs to change.

The continued rate of acceleration of these growing tent populations is so overwhelming that many people are just giving up there homes/livelihood and moving away. If they don’t do something now as a last ditch effort, SF tent pops will eventually encapsulate the entire city, as more homeless are drawn there from other states. Warmer weather will now amplify the numbers, with gangs freely dealing drugs on street corners.

Btw- I’ll make sure to tell my daughter you gave her the thumbs up on her comment- it will make her smile which makes me smile-thanks

The main question is what the reasonable authorities should do in this situation. You can't just gather all these people and put them somewhere in the desert or behind the bars.

PS You are welcome. Best wishes to your daughter.

Well I got to say that what Damaged Eagle mentioned about setting up ranch type of temporary residence sounds promising, somewhere off the beaten path and staffed mostly by recovered addicts, they could work like halfway houses. A lot of drug addicts have a good act of pretending to be doing the right thing and on the right path and a former addict can better call them out by knowing the tricks of the trade.

Well, I have similar feeling. Maybe not ranches, but some rehabilitation centers. I think that the drugs issue is more about medical treatment. It is pointless to jail a person for consumption of drugs or keeping small amounts of it for personal usage. It changes nothing to the better, but only deteriorates the situation.

And of course they should be kept out of the streets and public places.

I think the perfect solution would be to round up the druggies and homeless in SF and give them a free ride out to the Farallones and leave them to fend for themselves. If they want to live uncivilized lives, they will get their wish there.

 

[YoursTruly]

You have no understanding of economics.

Let's do some numbers, shall we?

Two companies. One in China and one in the US. Both with 500 employees working 40 hours in a week, with the average hourly pay. Not included is over time, health insurance, sick pay, vacation pay, or anything other than the normal 40hr wages.
China - (USD) $1.52hr
US - $19.00hr

500 X 40 X 1.52 X 51(weeks) =$1,550,400
500 X 40 X $19.00 X 51 (weeks) $19,380,000

For a savings of $17,829,600. Throw in all the benefits US companies are almost forced to throw in, and that savings rises up to about $25 million. Of course the number comes down just a little for shipping their products back to the US. But the savings are still too high to pass up, if the bottom line is making money. Which it always is.

 

[YoursTruly]

Well, I have similar feeling. Maybe not ranches, but some rehabilitation centers. I think that the drugs issue is more about medical treatment. It is pointless to jail a person for consumption of drugs or keeping small amounts of it for personal usage. It changes nothing to the better, but only deteriorates the situation.

And of course they should be kept out of the streets and public places.

Homeless druggies NEVER have large amounts on them. Neither do the dealers. The laws in SF and Seattle make it impossible for police to arrest someone for small amounts. This is how these people keep from being taken to jail and forced to detox.
And more importantly, it's what helps keep the supply of these drugs running throughout the druggy community.

 

[Concerned American]

You have no understanding of economics.

Let's do some numbers, shall we?

Two companies. One in China and one in the US. Both with 500 employees working 40 hours in a week, with the average hourly pay. Not included is over time, health insurance, sick pay, vacation pay, or anything other than the normal 40hr wages.
China - (USD) $1.52hr
US - $19.00hr

500 X 40 X 1.52 X 51(weeks) =$1,550,400
500 X 40 X $19.00 X 51 (weeks) $19,380,000

For a savings of $17,829,600. Throw in all the benefits US companies are almost forced to throw in, and that savings rises up to about $25 million. Of course the number comes down just a little for shipping their products back to the US. But the savings are still too high to pass up, if the bottom line is making money. Which it always is.

Which makes the case for tariffs. Americans enjoy a higher standard of living than those in China. If China, through low wages and currency manipulation, tilts the playing field, tariffs are the only way for the US to compete. By increasing the prices of foreign goods, US consumers would return to buying American products and the ex pat companies would come back--as had started to happen before Biden fucked it up. BTW, the rule of thumb for figuring wages and benefits. Benefits generally double the wage so your $19M becomes $38M. Also left out of your calculations are slave labor. Uighurs?

 

[Mac-7]

I'm OK with open borders. I think it's one of those "unalienable rights, endowed by our creator."

I dont

I have to much love and respect for America to see it turned in Guatama

 

[Mac-7]

The BIGGEST reason for jobs leaving the country isn't taxes or regulations. It's the USD value.
Example: In Mexico, $10hr is an upper class wage. Here in the US, it's a poverty wage. Same as China. Equalize the value of the Peso and the USD, and you end the immigration "situation." In 10 years, (or less) $15hr will be a poverty wage.

we are not exporting washing machines to the world so we don't need poverty level wages so we can be competitive with China

Fuck china and their cheap products

We can make everything here and keep Americans employed

 

[YoursTruly]

I think the perfect solution would be to round up the druggies and homeless in SF and give them a free ride out to the Farallones and leave them to fend for themselves. If they want to live uncivilized lives, they will get their wish there.

I agree 100%. I have an idea on changing our prison system, that might also work for the homeless druggy problem as well.

One part of it is "no mans land." It's about 5000 acres (more or less), with a wall around it that can't be climbed or dug under without being detected.
Inside, there are no guards. No cafeteria, showers, beds or any of the modern conveniences. The only tools they may have are shovels & hoes. Some seeds to plant for their food. Scrap lumber. Hammers and nails. And some sort of water source. You know, just basics that you might find on a farm 100 years ago.
Once it's deemed that they can't be rehab'd, they'll never be able to return to a free society amongst decent people, they're put inside those walls and never seen again, except maybe in some drone footage. They're there to do with what they need to do to survive. Whether it be fight for their lives, or make the best of it. They can live or die. It's all up to them.
But they'll never come out of those walls.
The upkeep is also up to them. The cost to the tax payer would be extremely minimal. If places next to a prison itself, the prison guards could also monitor surveillance when they're not tending to the actual prison.

No mans land is the final straw for those who refused to be decent folks.

 

[Mac-7]

Well, I have similar feeling. Maybe not ranches, but some rehabilitation centers. I think that the drugs issue is more about medical treatment. It is pointless to jail a person for consumption of drugs or keeping small amounts of it for personal usage. It changes nothing to the better, but only deteriorates the situation.

And of course they should be kept out of the streets and public places.

Homeless druggies NEVER have large amounts on them. Neither do the dealers. The laws in SF and Seattle make it impossible for police to arrest someone for small amounts. This is how these people keep from being taken to jail and forced to detox.
And more importantly, it's what helps keep the supply of these drugs running throughout the druggy community.

why do flaming liberals running the west coast allow the druggies to outsmart them?

 

[Donald H]

You have no understanding of economics.

Let's do some numbers, shall we?

Two companies. One in China and one in the US. Both with 500 employees working 40 hours in a week, with the average hourly pay. Not included is over time, health insurance, sick pay, vacation pay, or anything other than the normal 40hr wages.
China - (USD) $1.52hr
US - $19.00hr

500 X 40 X 1.52 X 51(weeks) =$1,550,400
500 X 40 X $19.00 X 51 (weeks) $19,380,000

For a savings of $17,829,600. Throw in all the benefits US companies are almost forced to throw in, and that savings rises up to about $25 million. Of course the number comes down just a little for shipping their products back to the US. But the savings are still too high to pass up, if the bottom line is making money. Which it always is.

If you're about to turn this into a more sophisticated conversation then we have a few important points to consider.

1. the average of $19 is heavily weighted out of proportion due to the huge income inequality in America. We need to seek out the truth.

2. China has elevated hundreds of millions of it's people up out of poverty in a very short time; for which they are extremely grateful and made very happy. America's people are very unhappy and have come close to revolution!

3. America stands at 15th. on quality of life and China stands somewhere around 17th. or 19th.

China is likely going to continue doing what it's doing and that could mean they will close the gap with the US on 'quality of life', and even pass the US! They have the power in their financial footing to do just that now.

America must compete with China on what it has with economic and financial leverage. America can't turn to it's military power for obvious reasons I probably don't need to spell out to you.

As a suggestion: America could eliminate it's outrageous income inequality situation and gain a huge leg up on China with that alone. Can that happen in America?

 

[Concerned American]

1. the average of $19 is heavily weighted out of proportion due to the huge income inequality in America. We need to seek out the truth.

I think that is probably pretty close to average American wage.

 

[Mac-7]

2. China has elevated hundreds of millions of it's people up out of poverty in a very short time; for which they are extremely grateful and made very happy. America's people are very unhappy and have come close to revolution!

I don't give a crap about china when they are elevating their people at our expense

Along with building their military and expanding their political influence around the world, all paid for by American consumers who buy their products

 

[Concerned American]

2. China has elevated hundreds of millions of it's people up out of poverty in a very short time; for which they are extremely grateful and made very happy. America's people are very unhappy and have come close to revolution!

Solution--move to China if you are unhappy in America, I am sure they have room for you in the Uighur camps.

China is likely going to continue doing

CCP Joe is definitely going to help China with turning the US into a third world country.

 

[YoursTruly]

I dont

I have to much love and respect for America to see it turned in Guatama

I understand where you're coming from. I used to think the same way. That is until I put a little thought into it and added some common sense.
Maybe you've never worked with them, made friends with them. Been to their house and ate at their table. Seen their fathers discipline their children for things we let our kids slide on. And how the vast majority of them are extremely hard working, family oriented, religious and just down right decent folks.
In fact, I'm recently retired and have been looking for a less expensive place to retire too. Someone turned me onto Mexico. My first thought was "AWE HAIL NAW." My brain was filled with things like "the drug cartels would chop me up and throw me into a ditch somewhere. " And a whole lot of other horrible things.
But after talking to hundreds so far, come to find out, 95% of Mexico is as safe as the small town I live in now. So I watched probably 100 video's of the do's and don'ts of living in Mexico. And they, and the people I've come to know, all agree. If you don't mess with drugs, you'll not be messed with by anyone in the drug trade down there. And it's the same way here. In fact, many Mexican communities protect Americans, Canadians and Europeans, because of the money they bring with them, and spend there.
Many times, Expats (gringo's who have retired there) say the BS the American news puts out about how dangerous it is in Mexico, is just that. BS. One woman (67yr old expat from Kansas) said that she thinks the US news says all those things to keep Americans from taking their money to Mexico. So after a little research, I can see why. Over 1 million Americans have retired down there in the last few years.

The drug trade is as real there as it is here. But Mexicans rarely kill anyone that's not involved in the trade.

The point is, those Mexicans that come here, will be beneficial to our country and our economy.

Another point I'd like to make. On the west side of our town, 10 years ago, was "the hood." The "projects." Filled with run down homes, welfare sponges, trashy yards. It was 90% African American. It was not safe for a white person to go into that neighborhood, day or night. Especially night.
The Mexicans started moving in and renting/buying those homes on the first 3 blocks. They painted, repaired the drive ways. Opened up businesses. They cleaned up the yards. scrapped all the broken down cars. Fixed the roofs. Replaced windows. etc etc etc.. And now, no matter what race you are, you can walk through that neighborhood, day or night. Cops don't need back up to go there.
Coincidently, the "hood" moved to the north side of town. It's now the same way the west side of town used to be. And getting worse all the time.

But don't take my word for all that I just posted. Do some research on Expats.

 

[Concerned American]

income inequality

So you think Xi is making the same wage as the Uighurs--you are deluded.

 

[YoursTruly]

I don't give a crap about china when they are elevating their people at our expense

Along with building their military and expanding their political influence around the world, all paid for by American consumers who buy their products

You're blaming the symptom, not the disease.

Those that control the Fed. Those that create the money and control the supply and the value of the USD are the culprit in all of this. The silent culprit.

 

[Mac-7]

Someone turned me onto Mexico.

if you like Mexico and want to live there I don't mind

But I don't want you to bring Mexico here