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I didn't put out any exact numbers. I said that a bell curve applies to the possibility of redemption of all addicts, whatever the total number may be. I suspect that MOST of whatever the number of addicts may be will never be saved. If we have 10 million addicts and 10% of them can be saved (by forced methods), that's a million people that can be saved. To me, that does not qualify as "not many".I wrote that “not many” too quickly and see how it reads. My intent was to say that overall a percentage of the homeless can be saved, while as you’ve indicated the exact numbers we’re talking here eludes me. People have different reasons/circumstances to become homeless.
Otherwise there is the "they have rights" issue that stands in the way of anything done.
It depends on what exactly you want to fix - the homelessness per se or the current consequences it caused.
Oh, I took your post as being fully neutral in tone, and agree that a small percentage of a large number can result in many lives ( like we see in topics about COVID-19 deaths... with small percentage of deaths still resulting in a many lives). I’m always open to any challenges small and large on this fine board! Earlier today as a matter fact, unlike this matter, I was immensely challenged on another topic altogether by one particular poster who will remain nameless to protect the guilty! Lol Peace!I didn't put out any exact numbers. I said that a bell curve applies to the possibility of redemption of all addicts, whatever the total number may be. I suspect that MOST of whatever the number of addicts may be will never be saved. If we have 10 million addicts and 10% of them can be saved (by forced methods), that's a million people that can be saved. To me, that does not qualify as "not many".I wrote that “not many” too quickly and see how it reads. My intent was to say that overall a percentage of the homeless can be saved, while as you’ve indicated the exact numbers we’re talking here eludes me. People have different reasons/circumstances to become homeless.
I'm not arguing your point, just the choice of words.
Peace be with you!
This thread brings a song to mind- listen to the hopelessness - most people don't know what hopelessness is-
A buddy sent me this a few minutes ago
I don't think there is a an immediate fix- if you do, lets talk about it.
First off:
Do you really care?
If the answer is 'yes' then of course there is a fix for the situation, be the problem in the Bay area or throughout America.
Canada happens to be #1 in the world on 'quality of life' for it's people, while America has fallen to 15th. or even 17th. by some study estimates.
Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life | News
For the fifth year in a row, Canada is ranked the #1 country in the world in 2020 for Quality of Life, according to a global ranking from US News.dailyhive.com
There's a list of parameters chosen as those which must be satisfied when judging 'quality of life' for any country's people. That list provides direct answers to your question and infers solutions to America's problem.
And so, do you really care?
Or should this thread just be seen as another attempt to promote biased politics for an excuse on why America is failing it's people so badly?
An additional point worth making is that this forum serves as exposure of the ugly facts on what America has become. A new future America regime could censor such damaging exposure as has become the norm on a discussion forum, for the good of the country.
But again as shown by history, it would be too late to hide anything.
I'm going to agree with you- you have the right to defend your property as you see fit- just shoot them (I wouldn't have a problem with that at all)- it wouldn't take long for the word to spread- voila! A great, mass, disappearing act- of course the next place they light might not get the memo- until they reach San Francisco's near point of no return- unless the msm took it up, and then, the protectors of property would be the bad guys-instead of just dying, like nature intended.
The entire album is like that- it is the epitome of concept album- I've spent hours and hours and hours listening to it since the first time I heard it in the 70's- it's poignancy is awesome- he illustrates so much pain as to make it almost unbearable-Absolutely a beautiful song in both melody and lyrics!
I like this version....The entire album is like that- it is the epitome of concept album- I've spent hours and hours and hours listening to it since the first time I heard it in the 70's- it's poignancy is awesome- he illustrates so much pain as to make it almost unbearable-Absolutely a beautiful song in both melody and lyrics!
All songs written by Mickey Newbury, except where noted.
- "An American Trilogy" (Newbury/traditional) – 4:50
- "How Many Times (Must the Piper Be Paid for His Song)" – 5:48
- "Interlude" – 1:44
- "The Future's Not What It Used to Be" – 4:14
- "Mobile Blue" – 2:48
- "Frisco Depot" – 3:38
- "You're Not My Same Sweet Baby" – 3:46
- "Interlude" – 1:05
- "Remember the Good" – 2:57
- "Swiss Cottage Place" – 3:10
- "How I Love Them Old Songs" – 3:50
- "San Francisco Mabel Joy" – 5:17
- San Francisco Mabel Joy" was covered by folk singer Joan Baez on her 1971 album Blessed Are....
- John Denver recorded "San Francisco Mabel Joy" on his 1981 album Some Days Are Diamonds.
- Elvis Presley made "An American Trilogy" a part of his Las Vegas shows in 1972, and his version was included on live albums Elvis: As Recorded at Madison Square Garden (1972), Aloha From Hawaii: Via Satellite (1973), Elvis: As Recorded Live on Stage in Memphis (1974), and Elvis' 1972 documentary Elvis on Tour. The song is largely associated with Presley's interpretation, though in execution it is substantively different from Newbury's original version.
- "How I Love Them Old Songs" has merited over thirty different cover versions including recordings by Gene Vincent, Carol Channing, Bill Monroe, and Don Gibson. Mickey Gilley recorded the song on his 1975 album Movin' On, and it was recorded by Tompall Glaser on his 1977 album The Wonder of It All.
- "Remember The Good" has been recorded by Eddy Arnold, Roy Orbison, Brook Benton, and Glenn Yarbrough, among others.
- "Frisco Depot" was recorded by Waylon Jennings in 1972 prior to his breakthrough Lonesome, On'ry and Mean which included Newbury's "San Francisco Mabel Joy" (Jennings has also recorded this album's "Mobile Blue" and "You're Not My Same Sweet Baby"). Robert Forster included "Frisco Depot" on his 1995 covers album I Had a New York Girlfriend. The song has also been covered by Roberta Flack and Ronny Cox.
- Roger Miller recorded "Swiss Cottage Place" prior to the release of Newbury's LP.
- Ronnie Milsap recorded a version of "The Future's Not What It Used To Be" in 1977.
- In 2000 Peter Blackstock, the founder of No Depression magazine, organized a multi-artist tribute that recreated the entire album titled Frisco Mabel Joy Revisited. Artists that participated in the recording include Dave Alvin performing "Mobile Blue," Michael Fracasso's "Remember The Good," and Kris Kristofferson recording "San Francisco Mabel Joy".
- Manowar included "An American Trilogy" on their 2002 album Warriors of the World
Frisco Mabel Joy - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
In the song, Lukenbach Texas, by Waylon and Willie, there's part of a line referencing Newbury's train songs-
He was an awesome writer, guitar player and singer- probably one of the most under rated ever-
I'm going to agree with you- you have the right to defend your property as you see fit- just shoot them (I wouldn't have a problem with that at all)- it wouldn't take long for the word to spread- voila! A great, mass, disappearing act- of course the next place they light might not get the memo- until they reach San Francisco's near point of no return- unless the msm took it up, and then, the protectors of property would be the bad guys-
Speaking of drugs, homelessness and overdosing, here lies a long video from a 2018. The problem is likely much worse today than it was back then. When you can spare and hour, watch as much as you can stand...and if you have a bit more time you can read
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(If it doesn't start at zero, just slide the end of the red line back to the beginning.)
I like this version....The entire album is like that- it is the epitome of concept album- I've spent hours and hours and hours listening to it since the first time I heard it in the 70's- it's poignancy is awesome- he illustrates so much pain as to make it almost unbearable-Absolutely a beautiful song in both melody and lyrics!
All songs written by Mickey Newbury, except where noted.
- "An American Trilogy" (Newbury/traditional) – 4:50
- "How Many Times (Must the Piper Be Paid for His Song)" – 5:48
- "Interlude" – 1:44
- "The Future's Not What It Used to Be" – 4:14
- "Mobile Blue" – 2:48
- "Frisco Depot" – 3:38
- "You're Not My Same Sweet Baby" – 3:46
- "Interlude" – 1:05
- "Remember the Good" – 2:57
- "Swiss Cottage Place" – 3:10
- "How I Love Them Old Songs" – 3:50
- "San Francisco Mabel Joy" – 5:17
- San Francisco Mabel Joy" was covered by folk singer Joan Baez on her 1971 album Blessed Are....
- John Denver recorded "San Francisco Mabel Joy" on his 1981 album Some Days Are Diamonds.
- Elvis Presley made "An American Trilogy" a part of his Las Vegas shows in 1972, and his version was included on live albums Elvis: As Recorded at Madison Square Garden (1972), Aloha From Hawaii: Via Satellite (1973), Elvis: As Recorded Live on Stage in Memphis (1974), and Elvis' 1972 documentary Elvis on Tour. The song is largely associated with Presley's interpretation, though in execution it is substantively different from Newbury's original version.
- "How I Love Them Old Songs" has merited over thirty different cover versions including recordings by Gene Vincent, Carol Channing, Bill Monroe, and Don Gibson. Mickey Gilley recorded the song on his 1975 album Movin' On, and it was recorded by Tompall Glaser on his 1977 album The Wonder of It All.
- "Remember The Good" has been recorded by Eddy Arnold, Roy Orbison, Brook Benton, and Glenn Yarbrough, among others.
- "Frisco Depot" was recorded by Waylon Jennings in 1972 prior to his breakthrough Lonesome, On'ry and Mean which included Newbury's "San Francisco Mabel Joy" (Jennings has also recorded this album's "Mobile Blue" and "You're Not My Same Sweet Baby"). Robert Forster included "Frisco Depot" on his 1995 covers album I Had a New York Girlfriend. The song has also been covered by Roberta Flack and Ronny Cox.
- Roger Miller recorded "Swiss Cottage Place" prior to the release of Newbury's LP.
- Ronnie Milsap recorded a version of "The Future's Not What It Used To Be" in 1977.
- In 2000 Peter Blackstock, the founder of No Depression magazine, organized a multi-artist tribute that recreated the entire album titled Frisco Mabel Joy Revisited. Artists that participated in the recording include Dave Alvin performing "Mobile Blue," Michael Fracasso's "Remember The Good," and Kris Kristofferson recording "San Francisco Mabel Joy".
- Manowar included "An American Trilogy" on their 2002 album Warriors of the World
Frisco Mabel Joy - Wikipedia
In the song, Lukenbach Texas, by Waylon and Willie, there's part of a line referencing Newbury's train songs-
He was an awesome writer, guitar player and singer- probably one of the most under rated ever-
LOL, I haven't recovered yet. Can I have another drink? hic*Do you suppose that the ridiculous drug laws now on the books have some thing to do with the drug problem? what do recovering addicts say about the situation?
trump was the first and only candidate for president in 2016 who even recognized there was a problem with immigration and tradeWhat Trump did to get elected, was almost exactly like Hitler. Made promises he knew he's never be able to fulfill.
trump was the first and only candidate for president in 2016 who even recognized there was a problem with immigration and trade
the career 40-year plus swamp rats in Washington were just fine with flooding our country with shoeless Mexicans and exporting jobs to china
Do you suppose that the ridiculous drug laws now on the books have some thing to do with the drug problem? what do recovering addicts say about the situation?
