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Average MLB game - league average was 2 hours and 51 seconds, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.

Average NFL game - 3 hours, 6 minutes and 58 seconds, says league spokesman Dan Masonson.

11 Minutes of Action

According to a Wall Street Journal study of four recent broadcasts, and similar estimates by researchers, the average amount of time the ball is in play on the field during an NFL game is about 11 minutes.



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Then again, an NFL game packs in about 2 hours and 15 minutes of excitement in those 3 hours while a MLB game contains about twenty minutes of excitement in those same 3 hours.

Immie

What 'excites' you Immie? Is it the commercials? Maybe it's seeing overweight men squat?

The fact that the game can turn in an instance. Even when a team is down by several scores the game is rarely over until the last minute or so of the game, if then. With basketball, if a team gets ahead by ten points at any time, the game is more or less over. With baseball, even though a team is never out of it as long as they are within four runs, just to get those four runs can take forever.

An NFL game can turn on one play. I can't think of another sport that can claim such.

I will grant you that since that asshole Roger Goodell took over as the commissioner the commercial breaks have gotten damn near unbearable, but it did not used to be like that, and the game can still turn in an instance. Goodell had tried to make the players into panzies. He's doing his damnedest to ruin the game.

Immie
 
Then again, an NFL game packs in about 2 hours and 15 minutes of excitement in those 3 hours while a MLB game contains about twenty minutes of excitement in those same 3 hours.

Immie

What 'excites' you Immie? Is it the commercials? Maybe it's seeing overweight men squat?

The fact that the game can turn in an instance. Even when a team is down by several scores the game is rarely over until the last minute or so of the game, if then. With basketball, if a team gets ahead by ten points at any time, the game is more or less over. With baseball, even though a team is never out of it as long as they are within four runs, just to get those four runs can take forever.

An NFL game can turn on one play. I can't think of another sport that can claim such.

I will grant you that since that asshole Roger Goodell took over as the commissioner the commercial breaks have gotten damn near unbearable, but it did not used to be like that, and the game can still turn in an instance. Goodell had tried to make the players into panzies. He's doing his damnedest to ruin the game.

Immie

I love football Immie, but you are exaggerating. Only in baseball there is no prevent defense, full court press or running out the clock. The pitcher has to make pitches over the plate.

Baseball is the ultimate team sport AND individual sport. If you watched the 2011 World Series and the last day of the 2011 regular season, there was more drama than any sports fan could hope for.
 
What 'excites' you Immie? Is it the commercials? Maybe it's seeing overweight men squat?

The fact that the game can turn in an instance. Even when a team is down by several scores the game is rarely over until the last minute or so of the game, if then. With basketball, if a team gets ahead by ten points at any time, the game is more or less over. With baseball, even though a team is never out of it as long as they are within four runs, just to get those four runs can take forever.

An NFL game can turn on one play. I can't think of another sport that can claim such.

I will grant you that since that asshole Roger Goodell took over as the commissioner the commercial breaks have gotten damn near unbearable, but it did not used to be like that, and the game can still turn in an instance. Goodell had tried to make the players into panzies. He's doing his damnedest to ruin the game.

Immie

I love football Immie, but you are exaggerating. Only in baseball there is no prevent defense, full court press or running out the clock. The pitcher has to make pitches over the plate.

Baseball is the ultimate team sport AND individual sport. If you watched the 2011 World Series and the last day of the 2011 regular season, there was more drama than any sports fan could hope for.

I love football. I sometimes enjoy baseball.

Baseball is 99% boring and that little bit (1%) can be exciting.

You speak of the last day of the season and the final game of the World Series. Hate to tell you this, but there are close to 200 days a year that MLB plays ball. Two days out of 200 is nothing to brag about.

Every game of the NFL, even pre season games, can provide more drama than the final game of a World Series.

Immie
 
I was out at a local watering hole the other night with my lovely wife and of course there was a baseball game on the TVs in the bar.

Now most of you know that I don't waste my time watching pampered overpaid athletes on the idiot box but I couldn't escape it.

As I watched some of the game I realized that baseball has got to be the most boring game on the planet.

I watched as the pitcher took about 5 minutes to throw the ball. The hitter swung, missed then had to walk around for a few minutes, fix his gloves, tap his shoes with the bat then take a few swings all just to wait a few more minutes for the pitcher to throw another ball.

It was agonizing.

IMO Baseball should be put on a clock like any other team sport. Now I realize that the entire game can't be subject to a time limit but there should be a pitch clock similar to the play clock in football or the shot clock in basketball.

At least then the game would move along at something more than a snail's pace.

Don't know if anyone posted this yet, but there is already a rule limiting the time a pitcher can take between pitches.

8.04
When the bases are unoccupied, the pitcher shall deliver the ball to the batter within 12 seconds after he receives the ball. Each time the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire shall call “Ball.” The 12-second timing starts when the pitcher is in possession of the ball and the batter is in the box, alert to the pitcher. The timing stops when the pitcher releases the ball.
The intent of this rule is to avoid unnecessary delays. The umpire shall insist that the catcher return the ball promptly to the pitcher, and that the pitcher take his position on the rubber promptly. Obvious delay by the pitcher should instantly be penalized by the umpire.

The problem is in bold. Batters frequently have so many little routines they go through that it is them that actually cause the delay.

Nobody was worse than Nomar Garciaparra. Except possibly Mike Hargrove...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tGm_JajqLo]Mike Hargrove - The Human Rain Delay - YouTube[/ame]
 
The fact that the game can turn in an instance. Even when a team is down by several scores the game is rarely over until the last minute or so of the game, if then. With basketball, if a team gets ahead by ten points at any time, the game is more or less over. With baseball, even though a team is never out of it as long as they are within four runs, just to get those four runs can take forever.

An NFL game can turn on one play. I can't think of another sport that can claim such.

I will grant you that since that asshole Roger Goodell took over as the commissioner the commercial breaks have gotten damn near unbearable, but it did not used to be like that, and the game can still turn in an instance. Goodell had tried to make the players into panzies. He's doing his damnedest to ruin the game.

Immie

I love football Immie, but you are exaggerating. Only in baseball there is no prevent defense, full court press or running out the clock. The pitcher has to make pitches over the plate.

Baseball is the ultimate team sport AND individual sport. If you watched the 2011 World Series and the last day of the 2011 regular season, there was more drama than any sports fan could hope for.

I love football. I sometimes enjoy baseball.

Baseball is 99% boring and that little bit (1%) can be exciting.

You speak of the last day of the season and the final game of the World Series. Hate to tell you this, but there are close to 200 days a year that MLB plays ball. Two days out of 200 is nothing to brag about.

Every game of the NFL, even pre season games, can provide more drama than the final game of a World Series.

Immie

To each his own Immie. Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint.

Too bad you are unable to appreciate the greatest game on earth.

Baseball and Football

Baseball is different from any other sport, very different. For instance, in most sports you score points or goals; in baseball you score runs. In most sports the ball, or object, is put in play by the offensive team; in baseball the defensive team puts the ball in play, and only the defense is allowed to touch the ball. In fact, in baseball if an offensive player touches the ball intentionally, he's out; sometimes unintentionally, he's out.

Also: in football, basketball, soccer, volleyball, and all sports played with a ball, you score with the ball and in baseball the ball prevents you from scoring.

In most sports the team is run by a coach; in baseball the team is run by a manager. And only in baseball does the manager or coach wear the same clothing the players do. If you'd ever seen John Madden in his Oakland Raiders uniform,you'd know the reason for this custom.

Now, I've mentioned football. Baseball & football are the two most popular spectator sports in this country. And as such, it seems they ought to be able to tell us something about ourselves and our values.

I enjoy comparing baseball and football:

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.
Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!
Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything's dying.

In football you wear a helmet.
In baseball you wear a cap.

Football is concerned with downs - what down is it?
Baseball is concerned with ups - who's up?

In football you receive a penalty.
In baseball you make an error.

In football the specialist comes in to kick.
In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness.
Baseball has the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog...
In baseball, if it rains, we don't go out to play.

Baseball has the seventh inning stretch.
Football has the two minute warning.

Baseball has no time limit: we don't know when it's gonna end - might have extra innings.
Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden death.

In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there's kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there's not too much unpleasantness.
In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you're capable of taking the life of a fellow human being.

And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:

In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll be safe at home!
 
I was out at a local watering hole the other night with my lovely wife and of course there was a baseball game on the TVs in the bar.

Now most of you know that I don't waste my time watching pampered overpaid athletes on the idiot box but I couldn't escape it.

As I watched some of the game I realized that baseball has got to be the most boring game on the planet.

I watched as the pitcher took about 5 minutes to throw the ball. The hitter swung, missed then had to walk around for a few minutes, fix his gloves, tap his shoes with the bat then take a few swings all just to wait a few more minutes for the pitcher to throw another ball.

It was agonizing.

IMO Baseball should be put on a clock like any other team sport. Now I realize that the entire game can't be subject to a time limit but there should be a pitch clock similar to the play clock in football or the shot clock in basketball.

At least then the game would move along at something more than a snail's pace.

softball was created b/c someone thought baseball was Two exciting.

but

If you play softball, you can drink beer in the dugout.
 
I love football Immie, but you are exaggerating. Only in baseball there is no prevent defense, full court press or running out the clock. The pitcher has to make pitches over the plate.

Baseball is the ultimate team sport AND individual sport. If you watched the 2011 World Series and the last day of the 2011 regular season, there was more drama than any sports fan could hope for.

I love football. I sometimes enjoy baseball.

Baseball is 99% boring and that little bit (1%) can be exciting.

You speak of the last day of the season and the final game of the World Series. Hate to tell you this, but there are close to 200 days a year that MLB plays ball. Two days out of 200 is nothing to brag about.

Every game of the NFL, even pre season games, can provide more drama than the final game of a World Series.

Immie

To each his own Immie. Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint.

Too bad you are unable to appreciate the greatest game on earth.

Baseball and Football

Baseball is different from any other sport, very different. For instance, in most sports you score points or goals; in baseball you score runs. In most sports the ball, or object, is put in play by the offensive team; in baseball the defensive team puts the ball in play, and only the defense is allowed to touch the ball. In fact, in baseball if an offensive player touches the ball intentionally, he's out; sometimes unintentionally, he's out.

Also: in football, basketball, soccer, volleyball, and all sports played with a ball, you score with the ball and in baseball the ball prevents you from scoring.

In most sports the team is run by a coach; in baseball the team is run by a manager. And only in baseball does the manager or coach wear the same clothing the players do. If you'd ever seen John Madden in his Oakland Raiders uniform,you'd know the reason for this custom.

Now, I've mentioned football. Baseball & football are the two most popular spectator sports in this country. And as such, it seems they ought to be able to tell us something about ourselves and our values.

I enjoy comparing baseball and football:

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.
Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!
Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything's dying.

In football you wear a helmet.
In baseball you wear a cap.

Football is concerned with downs - what down is it?
Baseball is concerned with ups - who's up?

In football you receive a penalty.
In baseball you make an error.

In football the specialist comes in to kick.
In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness.
Baseball has the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog...
In baseball, if it rains, we don't go out to play.

Baseball has the seventh inning stretch.
Football has the two minute warning.

Baseball has no time limit: we don't know when it's gonna end - might have extra innings.
Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden death.

In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there's kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there's not too much unpleasantness.
In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you're capable of taking the life of a fellow human being.

And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:

In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll be safe at home!

Ah, but I do enjoy the greatest game on earth... football. I also enjoy baseball. Used to enjoy it much more as a kid though. Today, it just doesn't have the excitement it used to have. I lost a lot of interest after the strike.

And another thing, the last time I went to a game... the players seemed like kids. It was an MLB game between the Expos (now the Nationals right?) and the Devil Rays. I swear not only did I feel like I was watching a Little League game (not because of talent but because most of the players weren't old enough to shave!) but the bastards made me feel so damned old!

I still don't get that feeling when I go to an NFL game, probably because of all the gear they are wearing. :D

Immie
 
I love football. I sometimes enjoy baseball.

Baseball is 99% boring and that little bit (1%) can be exciting.

You speak of the last day of the season and the final game of the World Series. Hate to tell you this, but there are close to 200 days a year that MLB plays ball. Two days out of 200 is nothing to brag about.

Every game of the NFL, even pre season games, can provide more drama than the final game of a World Series.

Immie

To each his own Immie. Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint.

Too bad you are unable to appreciate the greatest game on earth.

Baseball and Football

Baseball is different from any other sport, very different. For instance, in most sports you score points or goals; in baseball you score runs. In most sports the ball, or object, is put in play by the offensive team; in baseball the defensive team puts the ball in play, and only the defense is allowed to touch the ball. In fact, in baseball if an offensive player touches the ball intentionally, he's out; sometimes unintentionally, he's out.

Also: in football, basketball, soccer, volleyball, and all sports played with a ball, you score with the ball and in baseball the ball prevents you from scoring.

In most sports the team is run by a coach; in baseball the team is run by a manager. And only in baseball does the manager or coach wear the same clothing the players do. If you'd ever seen John Madden in his Oakland Raiders uniform,you'd know the reason for this custom.

Now, I've mentioned football. Baseball & football are the two most popular spectator sports in this country. And as such, it seems they ought to be able to tell us something about ourselves and our values.

I enjoy comparing baseball and football:

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.
Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!
Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything's dying.

In football you wear a helmet.
In baseball you wear a cap.

Football is concerned with downs - what down is it?
Baseball is concerned with ups - who's up?

In football you receive a penalty.
In baseball you make an error.

In football the specialist comes in to kick.
In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness.
Baseball has the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog...
In baseball, if it rains, we don't go out to play.

Baseball has the seventh inning stretch.
Football has the two minute warning.

Baseball has no time limit: we don't know when it's gonna end - might have extra innings.
Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden death.

In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there's kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there's not too much unpleasantness.
In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you're capable of taking the life of a fellow human being.

And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:

In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll be safe at home!

Ah, but I do enjoy the greatest game on earth... football. I also enjoy baseball. Used to enjoy it much more as a kid though. Today, it just doesn't have the excitement it used to have. I lost a lot of interest after the strike.

And another thing, the last time I went to a game... the players seemed like kids. It was an MLB game between the Expos (now the Nationals right?) and the Devil Rays. I swear not only did I feel like I was watching a Little League game (not because of talent but because most of the players weren't old enough to shave!) but the bastards made me feel so damned old!

I still don't get that feeling when I go to an NFL game, probably because of all the gear they are wearing. :D

Immie

I love football too. But I wouldn't take a young son or daughter to an NFL game. I had Bills season tickets for too long, saw too much violence and heard too much profanity to expose a young person to it. The testosterone cowboys the culture attracts and all those commercials target during the 3 hours and 4 minutes of static non action ruin it for families.

Baseball may not be as popular as football, but it will always be America's pastime. Because a baseball crowd IS America...mothers, fathers, grandmothers, grandfathers and children.
 
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To each his own Immie. Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint.

Too bad you are unable to appreciate the greatest game on earth.

Baseball and Football

Baseball is different from any other sport, very different. For instance, in most sports you score points or goals; in baseball you score runs. In most sports the ball, or object, is put in play by the offensive team; in baseball the defensive team puts the ball in play, and only the defense is allowed to touch the ball. In fact, in baseball if an offensive player touches the ball intentionally, he's out; sometimes unintentionally, he's out.

Also: in football, basketball, soccer, volleyball, and all sports played with a ball, you score with the ball and in baseball the ball prevents you from scoring.

In most sports the team is run by a coach; in baseball the team is run by a manager. And only in baseball does the manager or coach wear the same clothing the players do. If you'd ever seen John Madden in his Oakland Raiders uniform,you'd know the reason for this custom.

Now, I've mentioned football. Baseball & football are the two most popular spectator sports in this country. And as such, it seems they ought to be able to tell us something about ourselves and our values.

I enjoy comparing baseball and football:

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game.
Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park!
Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life.
Football begins in the fall, when everything's dying.

In football you wear a helmet.
In baseball you wear a cap.

Football is concerned with downs - what down is it?
Baseball is concerned with ups - who's up?

In football you receive a penalty.
In baseball you make an error.

In football the specialist comes in to kick.
In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness.
Baseball has the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog...
In baseball, if it rains, we don't go out to play.

Baseball has the seventh inning stretch.
Football has the two minute warning.

Baseball has no time limit: we don't know when it's gonna end - might have extra innings.
Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden death.

In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there's kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there's not too much unpleasantness.
In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you're capable of taking the life of a fellow human being.

And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:

In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll be safe at home!

Ah, but I do enjoy the greatest game on earth... football. I also enjoy baseball. Used to enjoy it much more as a kid though. Today, it just doesn't have the excitement it used to have. I lost a lot of interest after the strike.

And another thing, the last time I went to a game... the players seemed like kids. It was an MLB game between the Expos (now the Nationals right?) and the Devil Rays. I swear not only did I feel like I was watching a Little League game (not because of talent but because most of the players weren't old enough to shave!) but the bastards made me feel so damned old!

I still don't get that feeling when I go to an NFL game, probably because of all the gear they are wearing. :D

Immie

I love football too. But I wouldn't take a young son or daughter to an NFL game. I had Bills season tickets for too long, saw too much violence and heard too much profanity to expose a young person to it. The testosterone cowboys the culture attracts and all those commercials target during the 3 hours and 4 minutes of static non action ruin it for families.

Baseball may not be as popular as football, but it will always be America's pastime. Because a baseball crowd IS America...mothers, fathers, grandmothers, grandfathers and children.

I used to sell beer at Rich Stadium. Those end zones were a zoo. But you could sell a lot of beer
 
Ah, but I do enjoy the greatest game on earth... football. I also enjoy baseball. Used to enjoy it much more as a kid though. Today, it just doesn't have the excitement it used to have. I lost a lot of interest after the strike.

And another thing, the last time I went to a game... the players seemed like kids. It was an MLB game between the Expos (now the Nationals right?) and the Devil Rays. I swear not only did I feel like I was watching a Little League game (not because of talent but because most of the players weren't old enough to shave!) but the bastards made me feel so damned old!

I still don't get that feeling when I go to an NFL game, probably because of all the gear they are wearing. :D

Immie

I love football too. But I wouldn't take a young son or daughter to an NFL game. I had Bills season tickets for too long, saw too much violence and heard too much profanity to expose a young person to it. The testosterone cowboys the culture attracts and all those commercials target during the 3 hours and 4 minutes of static non action ruin it for families.

Baseball may not be as popular as football, but it will always be America's pastime. Because a baseball crowd IS America...mothers, fathers, grandmothers, grandfathers and children.

I used to sell beer at Rich Stadium. Those end zones were a zoo. But you could sell a lot of beer

I had season tickets when it was still called Rich. I have been to games since taking customers with company tickets. Buffalo fans are not the worse in the league, but a few can ruin it for the many.

My daughter (26) is a Patriot's fan (she fell in love with TB). She goes to every Bills/Pats game wearing a Brady jersey (against my recommendations). She had a full can of beer thrown at her in the concourse at halftime last year. It just missed her head by an inch.
 
I enjoy baseball, either on the television or being there in the ball park.

Each time I go to the ballpark, I try to get a seat behind home plate, because the view from there gives me the best overall perspective of the game.

Why does TV show the game from the the angle where the primary view is the pitcher's ass?

Put a camera or two behind home plate.
 
Only use pitchers that also play another position full time.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsrqOxOuNGg]Chris Davis pitching for O's in the 16th - YouTube[/ame]
 
Baseball would be a more interesting game if the batter was allowed to run the bases with the bat. He could fight his way to first, then to second, then to third and then home.
 
I enjoy baseball, either on the television or being there in the ball park.

Each time I go to the ballpark, I try to get a seat behind home plate, because the view from there gives me the best overall perspective of the game.

Why does TV show the game from the the angle where the primary view is the pitcher's ass?

Put a camera or two behind home plate.

I actually think the worst perspective is right behind the plate. No perception of depth. I like the front row of the upper deck, but I understand why people like to be closer to the action.
 
I agree the pitcher takes too long to pitch the ball and the game needs to speed up, but baseball is the greatest sport ever created
 

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