CBO Says Republicans Right On Health Care...

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Seriously,i don't think even Reid & Pelosi understand their own plan at this point. It's just such a massive debacle. Fining Citizens for not having Health Insurance? Yikes! This new Republican plan is at least streamlined and coherent. Hey it's a start in my opinion.

Thats what they do here in MA....if you take your freedom of choice and choose not to buy health insurance the government imposes a fine on you.

Wait, on second thought I guess in MA we DON'T have the unfettered freedom to choose.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yes at least this Republican Plan preserves some Freedoms & Liberties. The Democratic plan is just an oppressive & incoherent Socialist debacle.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I'm already just about done reading the Republican Plan. Let me know when you finish reading Pelosi & Reid's epic Boondoggle. Talk to ya in a couple of years.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I'm already just about done reading the Republican Plan. Let me know when you finish reading Pelosi & Reid's epic Boondoggle. Talk to ya in a couple of years.

Hey i'm up to page 160.

I have to backtrack to older legislation and regulations every few paragraphs though.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

How many times do Reid & Pelosi use the word "Shall" in their Boondoggle? A bit too many times for me. At least Republicans actually made an attempt to preserve some Freedoms & Liberties.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yup. On one side, costs more, less freedom, insures a few more. On the other side, costs less, insures a few less, more freedom.

I don't fancy paying more for less freedoms. Seems rather obvious.

What freedom do you personally lose?

The freedom to use my personal earnings only for the personal responsibilities of myself... my personal property rights...

As stated SO many times.. you do not have the right to have your personal responsibilities and well being paid for by infringing on the personal freedoms of another... Others do not exist to take care of your personal responsibilities and well being... you are not entitled to something for your personal well being at my expense or anyone else's expense

Is that simple enough for you?

What is that? Like me having to pay school taxes even though I have no children in school? Is that like me having to pay for the Iraq war even though I oppose it?

 

[DiamondDave]

What freedom do you personally lose?

The freedom to use my personal earnings only for the personal responsibilities of myself... my personal property rights...

As stated SO many times.. you do not have the right to have your personal responsibilities and well being paid for by infringing on the personal freedoms of another... Others do not exist to take care of your personal responsibilities and well being... you are not entitled to something for your personal well being at my expense or anyone else's expense

Is that simple enough for you?

What is that? Like me having to pay school taxes even though I have no children in school? Is that like me having to pay for the Iraq war even though I oppose it?

Now the school thing brings up a good point.. should those without children really be responsible for the education costs of those children??? But the main difference being is that those children are indeed minors.. Whereas the healthcare is taking the personal responsibility of adults and directly paying for the care of the adults at the expense of others... Now.. I still would pay for schools thru taxation even if I sent my children to private school... I guess this one comes down to the fact that the vast majority of families do have and have had children in school... and I think you would not have as much opposition if the emergency healthcare would only apply to minors who families have no assets or insurance.. however, we have that already... though I think this would be a good discussion thread on taxation for education of minors (whether the fed should have anything to do with it, whether citizens who have never had children should pay or have an option to opt out, etc)

As for the Iraq war.. that war and the defense of the country is directly in the charge of the federal government... and before you try and bring out 'general welfare' for your personal healthcare, it has already been shown (ad nauseum) that the general welfare does not and did not mean the personal well being of individuals

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I actually find it pretty funny watching the Hopey Changeys cheerleading for the Democratic plan despite not reading it or even attempting to read it. I can't blame them though because i seriously doubt Reid & Pelosi will read their own massive debacle either. Man it will take years to fully read and comprehend what the h*ll those two are talking about. All those "Shalls" and "Mandates" would make anyone's head spin in confusion. This Republican Plan is far more realistic and coherent. Hey just my opinion anyway.

 

[Mike458877]

We all have our own idea of what we feel we would like to see happen with healthcare.

IMO, the democrats plan is extreme over kill, it takes the many things which work right and reinvents them into less dynamic systems.

The republican plan however, does not go far enough into the problem to truly answer some of the major problems, but, at least it does begin to answer some of them.

For myself, I know first hand what government dictated healthcare is like, the European and Canadian models and frankly, I do not want to live with such a poor system, nor do I want my children and grandchildren to be forced to live with it.

I also get tired of hearing about how bad our healthcare is. This is such a false and misleading statement. Our healthcare is frankly some of the most advanced in the world and it is geographically well offered throughout our nation. Meaning in most cases we do not have to travel to another state for a MRI and wait 12 months to get one.

Our problem is waste, overhead and payment. Now I don't have the answers and I'm not a rocket scientist, but I know that we can find solutions without decaying our entire system as Government Dictated Healthcare would.

So for now I stand strongly against the democratic plans and most of all the more radical thoughts of the White House and the leadership in Washington. They are simply wrong.

Mike

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Look we all know the drill by now. The Democrats are now in full frenzy mode trying to attack this new plan simply because it is a Republican plan. Their arguments against it so far have been incredibly weak and partisan. This new Republican Plan is not perfect but it is clearly a more reasonable and coherent plan for real Health Care reform. I'm pretty sure none of the Democrats on this board have even bothered to read the Pelosi & Reid massive debacle. I can't blame them though. That massive Boondoggle is impossible for anyone to make sense of. The Republican Plan on the other hand seems to be pretty streamlined and coherent. Hating this plan just because the Republicans came up with it really is pretty low. Btw,i'm almost done reading the Republican Plan. Let me know when you finish reading that Pelosi/Reid epic debacle. Talk to ya in a couple of years.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

There is still Government funding for Abortion in the Democratic plan. The Fining and possible imprisonment of Citizens who don't have Health Insurance is also still in the Democratic plan. Those two issues alone force me to oppose the Democratic plan. The Republican Plan really does seem more reasonable and coherent. That's how i feel anyway.

 

[ihopehefails]

I really don't give a shit about the uninsured and don't think its even a problem. I realize that people are without health insurance but its up to them to obtain it and fix there own problems as they see fit. Its not the responsibility of the "collective" to ensure that eveyone has health insurance. It is the responsibility of the individual to obtain their own means in life and its my right not to have their problems meshed onto my own being.

I do see a problem with government that might be making it more difficult for people to solve their own problems such as not allowing interstate competition of insurance companies or excessive government regulation that drives up cost. I'm all for fixing the government but I don't think someone's inability to obtain something is a problem for the collective but just for that individual.

So it really doesn't matter how many people get insured because not having everyone covered is not a problem that needs to be solved.

 

[ihopehefails]

There is still Government funding for Abortion in the Democratic plan. The Fining and possible imprisonment of Citizens who don't have Health Insurance is also still in the Democratic plan. Those two issues alone force me to oppose the Democratic plan. The Republican Plan really does seem more reasonable and coherent. That's how i feel anyway.

Don't you know that fining people for making choices over their own life that the government doesn't want you to do is pretty damn liberal because the word liberal means freedom and you are free to buy insurance and free to go to jail if you don't.

 

[sealybobo]

This is a pretty big story that isn't getting much play in the MSM but some are beginning to pick up on it. The CBO has just released their report on the Republican Health Care plan and it shows their plan will indeed cost less. The thing i like most about this Republican Plan is that there will be no fines or imprisonment for not having Health Insurance. Their Bill is also much more streamlined and easier to understand,unlike the Pelosi & Reid Behemoths. This really is amazing considering the Democrats have locked the Republicans out of numerous meetings concerning Health Care legislation. In fact they just did that again today. So while this Republican Plan is not perfect,it does seem like it is a more logical & reasonable start to real Health Care reform.

No link? And can you show us details on the fines and imprisonment for not having insurance?

Who are these smart Republicans? Where were they when they had control? What are their ideas? Chances are, they don't want to change a thing. If we tried to work with them, it would have to be all their way or they would not deal, because dealing would mean success for the Dems, and that's the last thing they want. So lets start being honest here.

Yes, it would have been logical for them to have implemented some of these things when they controlled the government, but they didn't. Now they want to be involved and work with us?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I seriously doubt there are any Democrats on this board who have even bothered to read that massive Democratic Behemoth. I really can't blame them though. I don't think Pelosi & Reid have read their Behemoth either. While certainly not perfect,the Republican Plan does seem to be more reasonable and coherent. This plan is only a couple hundred pages long compared to Pelosi & Reid's Thousands of pages. It also doesn't have Government funding of Abortion and the fining of Citizens for not having Health Insurance. Personally,i'm gonna have to go with the Republican Plan.