Car Repos Are Exploding. That’s a Bad Omen.

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The jobs report and minutes from the Federal Reserve’s June meeting were the economic highlights of the week, but they are, respectively, a lagging indicator and old news. This column instead digs into the auto market, where there is an underappreciated ticking time bomb.

Lucky Lopez is a car dealer who has been in the business for about 20 years. In recent meetings with bankers, where he bids on repossessed vehicles before they go to auction, he has noticed some common characteristics of the defaulted loans. Most of the loans on recently repossessed cars originated during 2020 and 2021, whereas origination dates are normally scattered because people fall on hard times at different times; loan-to-value ratios, or the amount financed relative to the value of the vehicle, are around 140%, versus a more normal 80%; and many of the loans were extended to buyers who had temporary pops in income during the pandemic. Those monthly incomes fell—sometimes by half—as pandemic stimulus programs stopped, and now they look even worse on an inflation-adjusted basis and as the prices of basics in particular are climbing.

Car Repos Are Exploding. That’s a Bad Omen.

Weird, I was getting my 2019 KIA Soul serviced Friday morning and of course one of the salesmen tried to get me to sell it to the dealership.....The offer was 2K under what I paid for it new.

I noticed that there wasn't hardly any KIAs on the lot (no Souls) and asked why and he said they are sold when the truck arrives and that most of the used vehicles were bank repos.

LOL.....They had more used Jeeps on the lot than KIAs. I noticed that their sales staff had been pared way back too.

Tough times for stimulus/unemployment ballers and child tax credit playas that paid 140% above MSRP I guess. ;)
 
Nearly every negative economic occurrence is predicted well in advance but we march forward doing the very thing we know that will blow up in our faces.

This ties in with another thread where I note that our economic system is not sustainable forever.
 
Nearly every negative economic occurrence is predicted well in advance but we march forward doing the very thing we know that will blow up in our faces.

This ties in with another thread where I note that our economic system is not sustainable forever.

Massive socialist stimulus giveaways and spending programs causing inflation, and you're blaming our capitalist economic system for it?

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Massive socialist stimulus giveaways and spending programs causing inflation, and you're blaming our capitalist economic system for it?

:laughing0301::auiqs.jpg::lmao::21:

Those massive giveaways are our economic system. I can not blame something that doesn't even exist.
 
Translation: Idiots with no credit, and no ability to budget received their stimulus check.

Then, on an economy with a stymied supply chain, and microchip shortage purchased cars 40% above book, on interest rated loans exceeding 10%.

Unscrupulous dealers, and their loan departments rifled the applications through as they are paid on the front end.

You see.

The poor stay poor...because they get taken advantage of.

They get taken advantage of...because they are FUCKING STUPID.
 
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Translation: Idiots with no credit, and no ability to budget received their stimulus check.

Then, on an economy with a stymied supply chain, and microchip shortage purchased cars 50-60% above MSRP, on interest rated loans exceeding 10%.

Unscrupulous dealers, and their loan departments rifled the applications through as they are paid on the front end.

You see.

The poor stay poor...because they get taken advantage of.

They get taken advantage of...because they are FUCKING STUPID.

Nobody purchased cars at 50-60% above MSRP. You could still make your point without the hyperbole.
 
Nobody purchased cars at 50-60% above MSRP. You could still make your point without the hyperbole.
Certain "hot" models they did.....Like the Ford Bronco.

That and I wonder how many "work from Homers" (now called back in) put the money they were saving into vehicles that they now can't really afford to drive to work due to the combination of high gas prices and their monthly payment?

:oops8:
 
Certain "hot" models they did.....Like the Ford Bronco.

That and I wonder how many "work from Homers" (now called back in) put the money they were saving into vehicles that they now can't really afford to drive to work due to the combination of high gas prices and their monthly payment?

:oops8:

I've noticed that 8 months ago, you couldn't find a decent used car on the lots here in town. Now the lots are full of them.
 
The jobs report and minutes from the Federal Reserve’s June meeting were the economic highlights of the week, but they are, respectively, a lagging indicator and old news. This column instead digs into the auto market, where there is an underappreciated ticking time bomb.

Lucky Lopez is a car dealer who has been in the business for about 20 years. In recent meetings with bankers, where he bids on repossessed vehicles before they go to auction, he has noticed some common characteristics of the defaulted loans. Most of the loans on recently repossessed cars originated during 2020 and 2021, whereas origination dates are normally scattered because people fall on hard times at different times; loan-to-value ratios, or the amount financed relative to the value of the vehicle, are around 140%, versus a more normal 80%; and many of the loans were extended to buyers who had temporary pops in income during the pandemic. Those monthly incomes fell—sometimes by half—as pandemic stimulus programs stopped, and now they look even worse on an inflation-adjusted basis and as the prices of basics in particular are climbing.

Car Repos Are Exploding. That’s a Bad Omen.

Weird, I was getting my 2019 KIA Soul serviced Friday morning and of course one of the salesmen tried to get me to sell it to the dealership.....The offer was 2K under what I paid for it new.

I noticed that there wasn't hardly any KIAs on the lot (no Souls) and asked why and he said they are sold when the truck arrives and that most of the used vehicles were bank repos.

LOL.....They had more used Jeeps on the lot than KIAs. I noticed that their sales staff had been pared way back too.

Tough times for stimulus/unemployment ballers and child tax credit playas that paid 140% above MSRP I guess. ;)
/——-/ That’s sad. I wonder why so many Jeeps we’re sitting on the lot. Cool car, but I’d never buy one.
 
Certain "hot" models they did.....Like the Ford Bronco.

That and I wonder how many "work from Homers" (now called back in) put the money they were saving into vehicles that they now can't really afford to drive to work due to the combination of high gas prices and their monthly payment?

:oops8:

They weren't 50-60% above MSRP. They did get a premium about MSRP.

Funny because Ford has hundreds and hundreds of them just sitting because of no chips but when they hit the markets prices will collapse.
 
Those massive giveaways are our economic system. I can not blame something that doesn't even exist.
We haven't had a true free market for many years.
Stimulus, too big too fail, corporate cronyism, lockdowns- these are all designed to drive the mom & pops out of business while giving unfair advantages to large corps that are easier for the govt to control.
These have crushed the middle class & further divided us into have's & have not's.

We are closer to a fascist system of govt/corporate symbiosis than a true free market based economy.

If I never hear stimulus or too big to fail again it will still be too soon.
Keynesian economics & modern monetary policy are both tools of Cloward/Piven.
They are driving the West into financial insolvency & a crashing of our fiat currency based economic system that has allowed our overspending for decades
 
We haven't had a true free market for many years.
Stimulus, too big too fail, corporate cronyism, lockdowns- these are all designed to drive the mom & pops out of business while giving unfair advantages to large corps that are easier for the govt to control.
These have crushed the middle class & further divided us into have's & have not's.

We are closer to a fascist system of govt/corporate symbiosis than a true free market based economy.

If I never hear stimulus or too big to fail again it will still be too soon.
Keynesian economics & modern monetary policy are both tools of Cloward/Piven.
They are driving the West into financial insolvency & a crashing of our fiat currency based economic system that has allowed our overspending for decades

Some still refuse to acknowledge that is what we pass off as Capitalism.
 
Massive socialist stimulus giveaways and spending programs causing inflation, and you're blaming our capitalist economic system for it?

:laughing0301::auiqs.jpg::lmao::21:
The massive spending by our corrupt government tends to go to the big corporations, the wealthy and connected. The couple thousand given to the people is peanuts in comparison. The CARES Act was the greatest upwards transfer of wealth in history. Much like what O did during the Great Recession, in bailing out banks and Wall Street but nothing for the people.
 
K....so we agree.

But guess what?

The banks, and the dealers, and sales...can't be greedy UNLESS?

UNLESS?

You know the answer...

An idiot signs the contract.

I don't excuse either party. The thing is, only one gets bailed out when things go bad.

There is little risk when you know the government will make the taxpayers make up your losses. It's what we call capitalism.
 
As much as I hate to go off the musings of one "Lucky Lopez" he's right, the used vehicles (at least the Jeeps) had '20 or '21 stickers on the windshields.

Okay but high loan to values could be an indicator that prices have skyrocketed since they bought them in 2020. I bought a new car in January 2021 right before the great sticker shock thing hit and car lots started running out of inventory. It was full when I bought mine. 6 months later, it's lot was very sparse.
 

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