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[G.T.]

That's cool with me. I'm also pro-Capitalism and pro-protesting. But i have seen many Socialists/Progressives who routinely complain about how much they despise our Capitalistic System. I just think it's a very fair question to ask what they want to replace it with. Lets just be honest and hash it out. What System do they want? Discussing this rationally is far better than all this hate and division. It's time to get the discusssion started.

I haven't seen that, at all. Where ? Who? name names, drop links.

I think the undertone of "the left" is more regulation, not "different economic system altogether." But that's what I've gathered.

I also have to disagree with them. We need smarter regulation, not more.

[Emphasis added]

Totally agree. You should consider protesting with the Tea Party.

No. The tea party is phony to me because it changed its name from "the conservative party" to "the tea party" and thought noone would notice, like they're actually saying something new.

Also, with all the shit's that's fucked up, taxes being as low as they've been in recent history isn't exactly what I'd have on my priority list of protests to get things back in order. I agree with the retard-spending spree part, but unfortunately they are conservative down the line of all issues and I am not a Conservative.

 

[G.T.]

That's cool with me. I'm also pro-Capitalism and pro-protesting. But i have seen many Socialists/Progressives who routinely complain about how much they despise our Capitalistic System. I just think it's a very fair question to ask what they want to replace it with. Lets just be honest and hash it out. What System do they want? Discussing this rationally is far better than all this hate and division. It's time to get the discusssion started.

I haven't seen that, at all. Where ? Who? name names, drop links.

I think the undertone of "the left" is more regulation, not "different economic system altogether." But that's what I've gathered.

I also have to disagree with them. We need smarter regulation, not more.

Well then the question isn't for you. But there are many on the Left who do hate Capitalism. I just want to hear from them on what their alternative would be. We should have an honest discussion on this instead of all this hate. The hate and attacks will not solve anything. It will only force people to become more entrenched in their beliefs. We need more open minds for sure. Thanks for your replies.

You keep saying that, but I'm wondering where the people who openly want to get rid of Capitalism are around these boards. You can't quote any of them?

Sorry, I'm not being a dick, but asking a general question like that which isn't even apparently true to begin with and then demanding a better system from the imaginary people who want to abolish this system is a bit silly. It would help if you name names. Seems like you're talking to yourself a bit because I frequent these boards daily and I've no poster that comes to mind that said they'd like to get rid of Capitalism.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

If it's not obvious to you,

Isn't this supposed to be a fun/funny thread?

No need to get your panties stuck way up your twat dude.

Maybe you should have posted the list instead there mr. sensitive

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

Oh that's a wholly endorsed list by the entire movement, I'm sure

Well its still up on their official website.....wouldn't they take it down if the movement didn't support it? Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! | OccupyWallSt.org Forum

 

[G.T.]

Isn't this supposed to be a fun/funny thread?

No need to get your panties stuck way up your twat dude.

Maybe you should have posted the list instead there mr. sensitive

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

Oh that's a wholly endorsed list by the entire movement, I'm sure

Well its still up on their official website.....wouldn't they take it down if the movement didn't support it? Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! | OccupyWallSt.org Forum

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.


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You were saying?

 

[Liability]

I haven't seen that, at all. Where ? Who? name names, drop links.

I think the undertone of "the left" is more regulation, not "different economic system altogether." But that's what I've gathered.

I also have to disagree with them. We need smarter regulation, not more.

[Emphasis added]

Totally agree. You should consider protesting with the Tea Party.

No. The tea party is phony to me because it changed its name from "the conservative party" to "the tea party" and thought noone would notice, like they're actually saying something new.

Also, with all the shit's that's fucked up, taxes being as low as they've been in recent history isn't exactly what I'd have on my priority list of protests to get things back in order. I agree with the retard-spending spree part, but unfortunately they are conservative down the line of all issues and I am not a Conservative.

Wrong. And when you start with a false premise, you frequently end up with a stupid conclusion.

The Conservative movement shares a lot with the Tea Party, but the Tea Party movement is different and always was.

If the Tea Party was just a repackaged version of the conservative political movement, then the Occupy Wall Street dorks must be just the liberals and Democratics in a slightly different get up, too.

Dismissing the facile "analysis" of folks like G.T. is easy, but doesn't really further any meaningful debate.

 

[daveman]

Unless you are tea party.

Then we can go to hell, we carry "swastikaaaaaaaaahs" we are unAmerica, hate the presidents, racist, blah blah blah . . .

Remember when dissent was patriotic?

I remember when protest was what caused the OK City bombing! Remember that?

When people protested Clinton, it "fomented hate."

Then when Bush became president, that same protest was "patriotic."

Now that SAME protest (against the government) is "racist."

Funny how things change in the Democrat party depending on who is president!

If the left didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Oh that's a wholly endorsed list by the entire movement, I'm sure

Well its still up on their official website.....wouldn't they take it down if the movement didn't support it? Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! | OccupyWallSt.org Forum

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.

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You were saying?

That's priceless.... it's on our official website, but we didn't publish it.

Here's a thought... take it off your website.

 

[G.T.]

[Emphasis added]

Totally agree. You should consider protesting with the Tea Party.

No. The tea party is phony to me because it changed its name from "the conservative party" to "the tea party" and thought noone would notice, like they're actually saying something new.

Also, with all the shit's that's fucked up, taxes being as low as they've been in recent history isn't exactly what I'd have on my priority list of protests to get things back in order. I agree with the retard-spending spree part, but unfortunately they are conservative down the line of all issues and I am not a Conservative.

Wrong. And when you start with a false premise, you frequently end up with a stupid conclusion.

The Conservative movement shares a lot with the Tea Party, but the Tea Party movement is different and always was.

If the Tea Party was just a repackaged version of the conservative political movement, then the Occupy Wall Street dorks must be just the liberals and Democratics in a slightly different get up, too.

Dismissing the facile "analysis" of folks like G.T. is easy, but doesn't really further any meaningful debate.

Ok sir, you let me know the differing views of the TP and the CP.

 

[G.T.]

Well its still up on their official website.....wouldn't they take it down if the movement didn't support it? Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! | OccupyWallSt.org Forum

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.

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You were saying?

That's priceless.... it's on our official website, but we didn't publish it.

Here's a thought... take it off your website.

It's a public forum, why would they? Plus, the disclaimer is right at the top of the page.....doesn't get much clearer than that, for you.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

No. The tea party is phony to me because it changed its name from "the conservative party" to "the tea party" and thought noone would notice, like they're actually saying something new.

Also, with all the shit's that's fucked up, taxes being as low as they've been in recent history isn't exactly what I'd have on my priority list of protests to get things back in order. I agree with the retard-spending spree part, but unfortunately they are conservative down the line of all issues and I am not a Conservative.

Wrong. And when you start with a false premise, you frequently end up with a stupid conclusion.

The Conservative movement shares a lot with the Tea Party, but the Tea Party movement is different and always was.

If the Tea Party was just a repackaged version of the conservative political movement, then the Occupy Wall Street dorks must be just the liberals and Democratics in a slightly different get up, too.

Dismissing the facile "analysis" of folks like G.T. is easy, but doesn't really further any meaningful debate.

Ok sir, you let me know the differing views of the TP and the CP.

What's the "CP"?

 

[Full-Auto]

My Caption? TYPICAL LIMOSINE LIBERAL HYPOCRITES!

Great example of why I always have a string of laughing smilies at the bottom of my posts. Because you can't help laughing at this rank stupidity. Yet, liberals always think they are the smartest people in the room. Seriously? I think it's drugs that causes this total obliviousness to reality.

Conservatives are obviously oblivious to what the protest is about. Nowhere does anyone say abolish corporations. Typical conservative hyperbole of "if we cut down excessive corporate profit, that means they will no longer exist"

So let's just caption it "Idiotic rightwing attempt to smear protest"

Then tell us, we keep getting the left denying the lists that are put out by members of the movement.

Be specific please.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.

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You were saying?

That's priceless.... it's on our official website, but we didn't publish it.

Here's a thought... take it off your website.

It's a public forum, why would they? Plus, the disclaimer is right at the top of the page.....doesn't get much clearer than that, for you.

Yeah, ok.

 

[paulitician]

Ideas,not hate. You don't like our current Capitalistic System? Please offer up a viable alternative. All this hate and bitterness will get us nowhere. I'll pray God blesses our nation and its people to become more open-minded and we start listening to each other. No need to 'occupy' anything.

 

[G.T.]

Wrong. And when you start with a false premise, you frequently end up with a stupid conclusion.

The Conservative movement shares a lot with the Tea Party, but the Tea Party movement is different and always was.

If the Tea Party was just a repackaged version of the conservative political movement, then the Occupy Wall Street dorks must be just the liberals and Democratics in a slightly different get up, too.

Dismissing the facile "analysis" of folks like G.T. is easy, but doesn't really further any meaningful debate.

Ok sir, you let me know the differing views of the TP and the CP.

What's the "CP"?

Conservative Party USA | Project Mayberry - Taking back America one office at a time | CPAC

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! EXACTLY. You just hit the nail on the head.

ROFL! Funnel money upward? To who? I'll tell you who! To Unions, like the Unions at GM. To GE who basically has a sweatheart deal with Obama. To the Banks, ditto!

Yet, I don't see you libs protesting that! Oh NO!

You protest the companies that Obama's policies have been seeking to put out of business like the oil companies, the coal (that Ohio needs to run on), and on and on.

So, why aren't they protesting the government? Why aren't they right now at the White House protesting Obama and his sweartheart deals with the unions and GE, or the Banks?
Why instead are they protesting everyone else who is just trying to stay in business under this current administration?

I'll tell you why. Because this is all Obama has left.

To try and incite his kook fringe base, because he has lost everyone else.

This isn't a protest. It's a campaign strategy. Too bad these DUMB KIDS haven't figured out they are being played like a violin.

Exactly! What I highlighted is exactly why these guys aren't the 99%, if they directed their angst at the right people (IE The legislature who passed the laws and the executive branch that asked for them) then you would find the teapartiers standing right along side them.

But the problem is, the term, 'workers', is so romantic a term to communists that they selectively ignore the ingrained and inherent corruption of unions.

Thats really too bad for them. If they honestly directed it at the right people, IE politicians who gave away our wealth to wall-street and the banks to "bail out" the economy then I know I would be supporting them.

But I can't support a group of people who appear to just want to take stuff that others earned (envious and greedy), who yell anti-semetic stuff at people, and who shut down civil rights leaders (john lewis) when they come to try and speak to them.

Their attitude and behavior just comes across as sloth, envy, and greed.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

If it's not obvious to you,

So what is that you want? Your idiotic pie chart is not an answer.

I'd like a mildly regulated Capitalist Society with a Democratic Government, as opposed to the Corporatocracy that is currently running the USA.

Is that what the OWS people are asking for?

I don't think it is since that is what we have now but I'd like to hear your opinion.

 

[G.T.]

So what is that you want? Your idiotic pie chart is not an answer.

I'd like a mildly regulated Capitalist Society with a Democratic Government, as opposed to the Corporatocracy that is currently running the USA.

Is that what the OWS people are asking for?

I don't think it is since that is what we have now but I'd like to hear your opinion.

My opinion is that that is NOT what we have now, obviously.

 

[paulitician]

Exactly! What I highlighted is exactly why these guys aren't the 99%, if they directed their angst at the right people (IE The legislature who passed the laws and the executive branch that asked for them) then you would find the teapartiers standing right along side them.

But the problem is, the term, 'workers', is so romantic a term to communists that they selectively ignore the ingrained and inherent corruption of unions.

Thats really too bad for them. If they honestly directed it at the right people, IE politicians who gave away our wealth to wall-street and the banks to "bail out" the economy then I know I would be supporting them.

But I can't support a group of people who appear to just want to take stuff that others earned (envious and greedy), who yell anti-semetic stuff at people, and who shut down civil rights leaders (john lewis) when they come to try and speak to them.

Their attitude and behavior just comes across as sloth, envy, and greed.

Class-Envy/Class Warfare are vital tenants in Saul Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals.' Expect it to get much worse as the Election grows nearer. 'Divide & Conquer.' That's what Alinsky's Marxist Community Organizing was all about. You have to first create the bitter division to then seize the power. It's gonna be a very rough 2012 for this nation. I fear there will be much violence.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Oh that's a wholly endorsed list by the entire movement, I'm sure

Well its still up on their official website.....wouldn't they take it down if the movement didn't support it? Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! | OccupyWallSt.org Forum

Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.


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You were saying?

So like I originally said, which you disagreed with

"What do we want? We Don't Know"
"When do we want it? Right now"



Circular arguments are fun

 

[rightwinger]

My Caption? TYPICAL LIMOSINE LIBERAL HYPOCRITES!

Great example of why I always have a string of laughing smilies at the bottom of my posts. Because you can't help laughing at this rank stupidity. Yet, liberals always think they are the smartest people in the room. Seriously? I think it's drugs that causes this total obliviousness to reality.

Conservatives are obviously oblivious to what the protest is about. Nowhere does anyone say abolish corporations. Typical conservative hyperbole of "if we cut down excessive corporate profit, that means they will no longer exist"

So let's just caption it "Idiotic rightwing attempt to smear protest"

Then tell us, we keep getting the left denying the lists that are put out by members of the movement.

Be specific please.

It is you that need to be specific

Show where anyone on the left has said these corporations need to be shut down