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    Not the best pilot in the world. As an instructor, I would have had serious doubts about this PUI.

    ] This is totally true. Wait until he has to go one on one with Hillary or Obama. I don't think he will do that well.

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    Either edit this thread to conform with USMB rules regarding copyright violation or it will be deleted.
     
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    You should move it back anyway; it's not about "Armed force strategies, news and comments".

    It's about McCain's dismal performance as a Navy aviator.

    And it's inaccurate, because it absolves him of any guilt on the 4th accident, when he was the most likely culprit in a fire that killed 132 sailors.

    Witnesses blamed him. He was the only person evacuated along with the wounded.
     
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    If you have some question concerning the actions of any staff members on this board, feel free to PM one of us. USMB staff members decisions as USMB staff members will not be questioned in a public forum on this board.

    As far as your comment goes, there is nothing either current nor news about this, and personally, I find it reprehensible bullshit and any moron that posted it just as reprehensible.

    As far as the contents of the thread goes, I see nothing but unsubstantiated allegations, as usual.

    Where is the evidence McCain has collaborated with the enemy?

    Where is the evidence McCain ever called himself a hero?

    What does what he did in the Vietnam War have to do with running for President now?

    Not a damned thing. This is just extremist leftwingnut garbage from the head extremist leftwingnut on the board, and apparently he now has a puppy tagging his heels.
     
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    McCain thought his service was relevant during his Biography Tour. You know, the one that detailed all of his military experience (except the parts mentioned above), and stopped at the day he left the service. Conveniently omitted were his adultery with Cindy, his divorce of the wife who waited and raised his children while he was imprisoned, the Keating Five mess, and the 25 years he spent as the ultimate Washington insider.

    The GOP examined John Kerry's military record ad nauseum, challenged his record of heroism, and ridiculed his Purple Hearts by wearing them on Band-aids. Yet you dismiss discussion of matters that McCain himself campaigns upon, saying "there is nothing either current nor news about this, . . . "

    Unlike the Swiftboat Liars for Bush, the McCain critics have considerable proof. There is certainly room to discuss the value of the evidence, but there is no room claim it cannot be discussed.

    NOTE: Here is the link to the story above: McCain lost five U.S. Navy aircraft
     
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    This thread is horseshit. As a vet, the person that made this thread should be ashamed. You just trashed one of your own and for what?
     
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    That website is horseshit propaganda. The first page talks about McCain being singled out for softer treatment. Have you ever noticed his left jaw is crooked as hell? Guess why that is shit stain. Soft treatment my ass. You should be ashamed as well.
     
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    Not to be picky or anything but 3 through 5 are not in anyway McCain's fault.

    Staying with an aircraft for 3 tries to restart it and not leaving till 1000 feet is hardly cowardly.

    And then we have his aircraft hit by a rocket, explain how HE fired a rocket from his aircraft and managed to HIT his aircraft?

    And of course being shot down on his 23rd Combat mission sure was his fault as well. And then claiming he was a bad pilot, how is it he even managed one combat flight, much less 23?

    I can not believe Rayboy would question the skill or courage of a Naval Pilot that flew JETS off aircraft carriers and landed those same jets back on said carriers.

    Just more proof of his Partisan ignorance. Tell us Rayboy, how many combat missions did YOU fly?
     
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    Thank you for conceding that you do not know the facts involved. That will make it harder for you to simply contradict the inconvenient facts. The discussion of the fire on the USS Forrestal is incomplete.

    The fire began when McCain "wet-started" his jet. That involves pooling kerosene in the engine, which shoots a large flame from the tail on ignition. It can happen by accident if the pilot is careless, but pilots commonly did it for kicks, which was something of a jackass move if the guy in front of you does it.

    So McCain isn't talking. But witnesses and investigators reported that McCain intentionally wet-started his jet to spook the guy behind him. That set off a rocket on the other jet, and the rocket hit McCain's fuel tank (or the drop tank) and knocked McCain's own bomb off its mount, both of which started a massive fire.

    Over 130 sailors died. Many wounded were evacuated. McCain was the only uninjured person to be evacuated (some say for his own protection from those who witnessed the tragedy).

    Given the rank of McCain's father and grandfather, there are allegations of whitewash and coverup. Obviously, he was never charged. But we do have eye witness accounts that raise serious fact questions, something which the Swift Liars for Bush claimed but never produced.

    All we are asking here is media attention equal to the massive coverage given bald-faced lies four years ago. In 2004, Republicans said, "Let's hear the charges, and let the people decide." They do not say that today.
     
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    Sure thing. You need to readjust your tin foil hat, Bush's ray gun may slip in and you will be a mindless drone of the Evil empire.
     

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