Canadian Asks: Should Pres. Bush Be Arrested For War Crimes?

[NightTrain]

RWA, don't lump Isaac in with some other Canadian posters that have rolled through here. He's proven himself a very knowledgable & polite member, I think you may have him confused with Marbles.

Not once has he tried to promote a socialism / communism / anti-america agenda that I've ever seen.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

RWA, don't lump Isaac in with some other Canadian posters that have rolled through here. He's proven himself a very knowledgable & polite member, I think you may have him confused with Marbles.

Not once has he tried to promote a socialism / communism / anti-america agenda that I've ever seen.

Then obviously you haven't read his strident and relatively unreasoned defenses of socialized medicine and canada's "tradition of diversity". I agree he's polite. But he's pretty far left. If calling a spade a spade is a crime, then I'm guilty.

 

[MrMarbles]

Then obviously you haven't read his strident and relatively unreasoned defenses of socialized medicine and canada's "tradition of diversity". I agree he's polite. But he's pretty far left. If calling a spade a spade is a crime, then I'm guilty.

Give it a rest already. It's our system, we like it, it works. If you don't, then tough, stay where you are.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Give it a rest already. It's our system, we like it, it works. If you don't, then tough, stay where you are.

You give it a rest, Bong Hit Boy. Your acceptance of terrorists will destroy you, beware. Your other socialist withering institutions will continue in their downward spiral. Turn back now. BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

 

[TheEnemyWithin]

hope there aren't any canadians planning on trying this... why don't you guys arrest kissenger instead?

I have NEVER seen a nation such as Canada before. Once they were proud, friendly people who enjoyed being our northern neighbor, now, a Socialist, war-fearing nation to the left of John Kerry!!!

Even then I couldn't care less...

 

[Isaac Brock]

I have NEVER seen a nation such as Canada before. Once they were proud, friendly people who enjoyed being our northern neighbor, now, a Socialist, war-fearing nation to the left of John Kerry!!!

Even then I couldn't care less...

I'm curious to when the last time you've been to Canada? I think you might be surprised that Canada isn't what you think it is.

Canada has changed very little, value wise, since the years of Pearson.

 

[NATO AIR]

to clarify canada's actions in rwanda, they had a general (dalliere) who served with honor and distinction as the UN peacekeeping mission leader.

this mission was gutted of troops, supplies and intelligence by the US under Clinton as well as the UN leadership, but this Canadian did his best to save as many Rwandan lives as he could, despite no authorization from the UN, the US or his home nation's leadership.

There is honor in Canada, a great deal of it in fact.

 

[Said1]

I have NEVER seen a nation such as Canada before. Once they were proud, friendly people who enjoyed being our northern neighbor, now, a Socialist, war-fearing nation to the left of John Kerry!!!

Even then I couldn't care less...

Yor're right, manic depression sucks.

 

[MrMarbles]

You give it a rest, Bong Hit Boy. Your acceptance of terrorists will destroy you, beware. Your other socialist withering institutions will continue in their downward spiral. Turn back now. BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

Ok crazy guy, whatever you say.

How many times do you need to hear that the you are now sleeping in the bed you made. Canada has not trained terrorists, has not supported terrorists, not supported Dictatorships, not imposed Dicatorships. America's foreign policy has done all of these things, now they are coming back to hurt you, not us.

 

[theim]

Ok crazy guy, whatever you say.

How many times do you need to hear that the you are now sleeping in the bed you made. Canada has not trained terrorists, has not supported terrorists, not supported Dictatorships, not imposed Dicatorships. America's foreign policy has done all of these things, now they are coming back to hurt you, not us.

Bullshit. All that crap you listed was during the Cold War, when it was either that or let the Soviets dominate. So as an American, I am not sorry in the least for whatever we did in South America or wherever.

Canada has an extremely loose immigration policy. Even your own officials acknowledge a large militant islamist segment of your population. But they are in YOUR country, not ours. So enjoy 'em. If Spain is any indicator, just because you are nice to them does not mean they will be nice back.

And I am quite comfortable in my bed that America has made for me. History is repeating itself yet again. Russia, under the former KGB director, is reverting back to dictatorship. Germany has outlawed "hate-speach", but the Neo-Nazi Party is on the rise anyways. Canada also has laws against "hate-speach" and even bans certain books. How the f*** any one of these nations can call themselves more free than America is beyond me. Once again I urge you as your neighbor to the South to turn back before it is too late. Socialism leads to totalitarianism. It always has, and it always will. For the love of Christ turn away from that path.

 

[Isaac Brock]

So left unchecked you believe Canada will head towards totalitarianism? I'm just wondering what part of Canadian history would lead you to that conclusion. The suggestion that somehow there is this big, sudden change in Canada towards a police state is perplexing.

Politically since WWI, Canada is one of the most unchanging countries you can find. It swings neither more to the left or to the right. Medicare has been around since the 50's, hate speech was first officially outlawed in the 60's, but widely prosecuted under British law before that. Canada has always been multilateral with its military (WWI, WWII, Korea, Cyprus, Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Gulf War I, Afghanistan). Multiculturalism has also been enshrined, even, perhaps, to a point of excess.

My question is you, is what do you think has changed about your Northern neighbour? Where did this slippery slope suddenly come from?

 

[MrMarbles]

Bullshit. All that crap you listed was during the Cold War, when it was either that or let the Soviets dominate. So as an American, I am not sorry in the least for whatever we did in South America or wherever.

Last I heard, the Soviets collapsed under it's own weight, it was just a matter of time. A large corrupt State, competing for dominance. The terrorists trained to fight this big corrupt nation didn't do much in the whole scheme of things. All it did was prepare them for the eventual fight against a bigger corrupt State. RWA said that our "acceptance' of terrorism will be our downfall. I was pointing out that America has accepted terrorism as a valid tool, and has supported it fully, and is now paying the consequences for that support. It dosen't matter which devil you make your deal with, they will always come back to collect.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Last I heard, the Soviets collapsed under it's own weight, it was just a matter of time. A large corrupt State, competing for dominance. The terrorists trained to fight this big corrupt nation didn't do much in the whole scheme of things. All it did was prepare them for the eventual fight against a bigger corrupt State. RWA said that our "acceptance' of terrorism will be our downfall. I was pointing out that America has accepted terrorism as a valid tool, and has supported it fully, and is now paying the consequences for that support. It dosen't matter which devil you make your deal with, they will always come back to collect.

And having to compete productionwise with our capitalist economy forced the cracks in their system to break apart much quicker.

The goal is what gives the use of force it's moral contact. Communism is a human evil and needed to be fought by any means necessary. Capitalism works and is therefore good. Communism is the height of human corruption and is therefore evil.

 

[MrMarbles]

And having to compete productionwise without capitalist economy, forced the cracks in their system to break apart much quicker.

The goal is what gives the use of force it's moral contact. Communism is a human evil and needed to be fought by any means necessary. Capitalism works and is therefore good. Communism is the height of human corruption and is therefore evil.

Communism is not inherently evil, niether is Capitalism. But both corruptable. The USSR was a Communist dictatorship, ruled by evil men. Democracy has built in failsafes to prevent corruption, e.i. elections. To generally label communism as bad is wrong. It is a form of gov't that can work for some people.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Communism is not inherently evil, niether is Capitalism. But both corruptable. The USSR was a Communist dictatorship, ruled by evil men. Democracy has built in failsafes to prevent corruption, e.i. elections. To generally label communism as bad is wrong. It is a form of gov't that can work for some people.

who HAS it worked for, in your opinion?

Also when I said you tolerate terrorists I mean you tolerate terrorists that are PHILOSOPHICALLY OPPOSED TO THE WESTERN TRADITIONS OF RELIGIOUS PLURALISM ON WHICH CANADA IS FOUNDED. Saying the U.S. employed terrorist tactics in fighting OUR ENEMIES is a little different. You're on a national suicide trip.

you cross a line of toleration when you tolerate intolerance.

 

[wallyvon]

it'd be nice if bush could be arrested on that basis, but it won't happen. If country's weren't so terrified at our military might, they'd show their true colors and opposition to our foreign policy immediately, but as it is, their fear of us demands they shroud their opinions as best they can.

 

[theim]

it'd be nice if bush could be arrested on that basis, but it won't happen. If country's weren't so terrified at our military might, they'd show their true colors and opposition to our foreign policy immediately, but as it is, their fear of us demands they shroud their opinions as best they can.

would you just get the hell out of our county? Seriously. The border with Canada is hundreds of miles long. It cant be that hard to get in illegally. If you hate America so much just leave please.

 

[wallyvon]

its much more fun pissing off fools like you. Its my pleasure

 

[theim]

its much more fun pissing off fools like you. Its my pleasure

No, to piss me off you must form some semblance of a logical argument. As it stands now, I just find you funny as hell.

 

[wallyvon]

keep on chuckling, freak-show