Can Jesus be God if he is not all knowing?

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    Can Jesus be God if he is not all knowing?

    For the Trinity concept to work, Jesus as well as the Father and Holy Ghost would all have to be all knowing and equal in all ways.

    A number of times Jesus says he does not know what the Father knows. That and if Jesus was God, who did he pray to as a God does not pray to himself.

    For those two reasons and more, especially his poor moral tenets, Jesus cannot be God. I see his worst moral tenets as being his no divorce policy and substitutionary punishment policy. This link speaks to other moral deficiencies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUfGRN4HVrQ&t=2s

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    There are things about G-d that I will never know, and never understand, at least not in this life.

    I'm ok with that. The idea that we should understand all aspects of G-d isn't logical anyway. If we could understand everything there is about G-d, he wouldn't be G-d.
     
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    That should not matter to a Jew as your spiritual guidance is through the Karaite Jews and oral tradition and not the written word.

    You guys are not supposed to be literalists and I think that that fact is what has helped reduce the corruption of Judaism that has happened in the Christian and Muslim versions that they came up with after usurping Yahweh from Jewry.

    I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental trash that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

    What is God?

    Further.
    Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS

    Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

    Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

    "Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

    Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

    This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.



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    Can’t type “God?”
     
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    The OP trying to understand God is as fruitless as a two dimensional being trying to understand the third dimension of a three dimensional being.
     
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    Jesus accomplished the goal to triumph over evil that entitled them to all knowledge and an equal to the Almighty in that sense, not the same.

    there is no such being as expressed by judaism or the religion of the roman empire as a messiah, the religion of Antiquity when accomplished makes everyone capable of being a god.
     
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    He wasn't talking about you or anyone not knowing or understanding everything about God. If Jesus was God he would have but he didn't. Thats the point.
     
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    Or maybe you lack complete information.
     
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    there is no son of god/etc
     
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    you don't/can't understand anything about god
    there is no god
    it's made up by man
     

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