Can Any Rightwinger Give Me A Solid Argument Why Private Industry Instead Of Government Should Run..

[bripat9643]

I never pass up an opportunity to insult a numskull like you or rdean.

I've noticed, I've also noticed that's all you contribute, well, other than right wing propaganda which you parrot from other sources.

That you're not too bright is an understatement, something easily understood by your support of the callous conservative agenda. Since you will ask, their agenda is Anarcho-Capitalism, at least those who are not supporting the Plutocrats (and they may be less bright than even you).

People only laugh when you call them stupid. Everyone who reads your posts laughs at you.

Actually, that's pretty much what I do. I usually have a good chuckle, and then determine if the amusing, but ignorant post, is worth my time responding to. Lately, most of Wry's posts fall under that system.

I'm so glad you enjoy a good chuckle, and I'd recommend you not respond to my comments. Why? Because we have a totally different world view. You are focused on the things most important to you, and I'm focused on the greatest good for the greatest number of our citizens.

Yet another quote straight out of Atlas Shrugged.

The problem is, your system has not produced the most good to the most people. Capitalism has. Our country is proof of that. No system is 100% pure, but the fact is, our system was, and has been for most of our countries history, been the most Capitalist based in the world.

Yet our country being the youngest, among dozens of nations that have been around for hundreds, almost a thousand years longer than our own..... we're the most wealthy, and enjoy the highest standard of living in the world.

Our poor people, live in many ways, a higher standard of living, than the middle class of other 1st world countries.

Our system has produced the most good for the most people, not yours. Your system, if implemented to it's fullest, results in impoverishment and even starvation.

Worse yet, most of those other countries, only have the standard of living they do, because of our system. Our advances, our growth, our wealth creation, has benefited all those other countries, far more than anything they have done has benefited us.

Where does Wry Catcher live? I thought he/she was American.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I've noticed, I've also noticed that's all you contribute, well, other than right wing propaganda which you parrot from other sources.

That you're not too bright is an understatement, something easily understood by your support of the callous conservative agenda. Since you will ask, their agenda is Anarcho-Capitalism, at least those who are not supporting the Plutocrats (and they may be less bright than even you).

People only laugh when you call them stupid. Everyone who reads your posts laughs at you.

Actually, that's pretty much what I do. I usually have a good chuckle, and then determine if the amusing, but ignorant post, is worth my time responding to. Lately, most of Wry's posts fall under that system.

I'm so glad you enjoy a good chuckle, and I'd recommend you not respond to my comments. Why? Because we have a totally different world view. You are focused on the things most important to you, and I'm focused on the greatest good for the greatest number of our citizens.

Yet another quote straight out of Atlas Shrugged.

The problem is, your system has not produced the most good to the most people. Capitalism has. Our country is proof of that. No system is 100% pure, but the fact is, our system was, and has been for most of our countries history, been the most Capitalist based in the world.

Yet our country being the youngest, among dozens of nations that have been around for hundreds, almost a thousand years longer than our own..... we're the most wealthy, and enjoy the highest standard of living in the world.

Our poor people, live in many ways, a higher standard of living, than the middle class of other 1st world countries.

Our system has produced the most good for the most people, not yours. Your system, if implemented to it's fullest, results in impoverishment and even starvation.

Worse yet, most of those other countries, only have the standard of living they do, because of our system. Our advances, our growth, our wealth creation, has benefited all those other countries, far more than anything they have done has benefited us.

Where does Wry Catcher live? I thought he/she was American.

I was born in San Francisco and live in the San Francisco Bay Area; I've traveled extensively in the US, Canada, Mexico, Central and South America and Western Europe. One very obvious observation is that the cities in Western Europe are much cleaner than those in The States; public transportation is cleaner and provides greater access within and without the urban limits.

The economic system I support is capitalism, but not the laissez faire brand supported by the Libertarian Ideology. Capitalists need to be regulated by government on every level, IMO. How much regulation is the question, and an issue which has been debated for centuries. The "get government out of the way" is stupid and suggests the speaker has no concept of human nature.

We live and have lived in a mixed economy successfully for decades. The business class wants less (or no) regulation and history suggests that if we go forward in that manner our rivers will burn, our forests will disappear and our air and water will foul.

 

[dblack]

The economic system I support is capitalism, but not the laissez faire brand supported by the Libertarian Ideology. Capitalists need to be regulated by government on every level, IMO. How much regulation is the question, and an issue which has been debated for centuries. The "get government out of the way" is stupid and suggests the speaker has no concept of human nature.

We live and have lived in a mixed economy successfully for decades. The business class wants less (or no) regulation and history suggests that if we go forward in that manner our rivers will burn, our forests will disappear and our air and water will foul.

Some of us have lived much more successfully than others.

What you're describing isn't capitalism, Wry, it's corporatism. The oligarchs love a government managed economy, and they use your 'regulation' to take away our economic freedom.

 

[Andylusion]

Paul Krugman gets schooled on Canadian Health Care.......

THE LOOK! Oh my goodness... when he asked how many thought their health care was terrible, the look on his face!!! AH Priceless!

And isn't that how it always is? The leftists always seem to assume that everyone just loves their system, because.... well.... how could you??! It's free! It's wonderful! It's the best in the world!

Reminds me of those Soviet era Kremlin leaders all talking about the workers Paradise. Or the quote by Hitler on how the Germans loved him. Or Gaddafi, about how Libyans loved him. Or Hugo Chavez, on how they all loved his Bolvarian Revolution.

The left is so blinded by their own ideology, they constantly think everyone supports their policies.... because how could anyone possibly not support them?? Krugman get's a wake up call.

Based on what size sample?

Why don't you ask Mr. Krugman. Economists are supposed to be statisticians (by default) and yet he was willing to ask the question.....what do you think he would have said if they would have all kept their hands down ?

You know full good and well what he would have said.

Six people is not a sample of any significance....but Paul Kruggerbutt never let that stop him from trying to score points.

In this case, he got his ass kicked.

Krugman made the mistake of asking a question in public he didn't know the answer to; however, that tells us nothing about the economic logic of single payer health care:
"The alternative would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient?"
Possibly, health care is another facet of national defense?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/why-not-single-payer/

Another excuse. Endless excuses. Now it's that Krugman made a mistake in asking a question in public. How dare he. Of course, if they had kept their hands down, you'd be talking about how brilliant Krugman was for asking a question in public.

You people are so cheesy.

Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Answer from Canada, UK, Cuba, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries..... no.

 

[Andylusion]

People only laugh when you call them stupid. Everyone who reads your posts laughs at you.

Actually, that's pretty much what I do. I usually have a good chuckle, and then determine if the amusing, but ignorant post, is worth my time responding to. Lately, most of Wry's posts fall under that system.

I'm so glad you enjoy a good chuckle, and I'd recommend you not respond to my comments. Why? Because we have a totally different world view. You are focused on the things most important to you, and I'm focused on the greatest good for the greatest number of our citizens.

Yet another quote straight out of Atlas Shrugged.

The problem is, your system has not produced the most good to the most people. Capitalism has. Our country is proof of that. No system is 100% pure, but the fact is, our system was, and has been for most of our countries history, been the most Capitalist based in the world.

Yet our country being the youngest, among dozens of nations that have been around for hundreds, almost a thousand years longer than our own..... we're the most wealthy, and enjoy the highest standard of living in the world.

Our poor people, live in many ways, a higher standard of living, than the middle class of other 1st world countries.

Our system has produced the most good for the most people, not yours. Your system, if implemented to it's fullest, results in impoverishment and even starvation.

Worse yet, most of those other countries, only have the standard of living they do, because of our system. Our advances, our growth, our wealth creation, has benefited all those other countries, far more than anything they have done has benefited us.

Where does Wry Catcher live? I thought he/she was American.

I was born in San Francisco and live in the San Francisco Bay Area; I've traveled extensively in the US, Canada, Mexico, Central and South America and Western Europe. One very obvious observation is that the cities in Western Europe are much cleaner than those in The States; public transportation is cleaner and provides greater access within and without the urban limits.

The economic system I support is capitalism, but not the laissez faire brand supported by the Libertarian Ideology. Capitalists need to be regulated by government on every level, IMO. How much regulation is the question, and an issue which has been debated for centuries. The "get government out of the way" is stupid and suggests the speaker has no concept of human nature.

We live and have lived in a mixed economy successfully for decades. The business class wants less (or no) regulation and history suggests that if we go forward in that manner our rivers will burn, our forests will disappear and our air and water will foul.

Cleaner has nothing to do with economic. It has to do with social norms. I've been to Europe too. The reason it is cleaner, is because people are fanatical about keeping it clean.

Here in America... not so much. Just look at New York after Earth Day. It's a nightmare of dirt and pollution.

As far as public transportation...

Well yeah. If you spend tons and tons and tons of tax money on anything, you'll end up with a good thing. But at what cost?

When the Greek economy crashed, their public transportation service was so expensive, that they could have hired individual taxis for every single passenger, and saved money.

At one point, France had so many train engineers, that they could have assigned individual engineers to every single rail car in the system, and still had people left over to rotate through.

This is why most of the European economies are a mess.

No public transportation system actually pays for itself. Even the few, very few, which break even, that doesn't include the capital costs, or capital replacement, all of which have to be paid by the tax payers. It's ridiculous.

 

[TemplarKormac]

 

[georgephillip]

Paul Krugman gets schooled on Canadian Health Care.......

THE LOOK! Oh my goodness... when he asked how many thought their health care was terrible, the look on his face!!! AH Priceless!

And isn't that how it always is? The leftists always seem to assume that everyone just loves their system, because.... well.... how could you??! It's free! It's wonderful! It's the best in the world!

Reminds me of those Soviet era Kremlin leaders all talking about the workers Paradise. Or the quote by Hitler on how the Germans loved him. Or Gaddafi, about how Libyans loved him. Or Hugo Chavez, on how they all loved his Bolvarian Revolution.

The left is so blinded by their own ideology, they constantly think everyone supports their policies.... because how could anyone possibly not support them?? Krugman get's a wake up call.

Based on what size sample?

Why don't you ask Mr. Krugman. Economists are supposed to be statisticians (by default) and yet he was willing to ask the question.....what do you think he would have said if they would have all kept their hands down ?

You know full good and well what he would have said.

Six people is not a sample of any significance....but Paul Kruggerbutt never let that stop him from trying to score points.

In this case, he got his ass kicked.

Krugman made the mistake of asking a question in public he didn't know the answer to; however, that tells us nothing about the economic logic of single payer health care:
"The alternative would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient?"
Possibly, health care is another facet of national defense?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/why-not-single-payer/

Another excuse. Endless excuses. Now it's that Krugman made a mistake in asking a question in public. How dare he. Of course, if they had kept their hands down, you'd be talking about how brilliant Krugman was for asking a question in public.

You people are so cheesy.

Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Answer from Canada, UK, Cuba, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries..... no.

What do you imagine you know about public health in Cuba, Cracker?
"The poorer countries of the world continue to struggle with an enormous health burden from diseases that we have long had the capacity to eliminate.

"Similarly, the health systems of some countries, rich and poor alike, are fragmented and inefficient, leaving many population groups underserved and often without health care access entirely.

"Cuba represents an important alternative example where modest infrastructure investments combined with a well-developed public health strategy have generated health status measures comparable with those of industrialized countries. Areas of success include control of infectious diseases, reduction in infant mortality, establishment of a research and biotechnology industry, and progress in control of chronic diseases, among others.

"If the Cuban experience were generalized to other poor and middle-income countries human health would be transformed.

"Given current political alignments, however, the major public health advances in Cuba, and the underlying strategy that has guided its health gains, have been systematically ignored.

"Scientists make claims to objectivity and empiricism that are often used to support an argument that they make unique contributions to social welfare.

"To justify those claims in the arena of international health, an open discussion should take place on the potential lessons to be learned from the Cuban experience."
Health in Cuba

 

[Indofred]

Yes, we can.

The British NHS.
It's a Marxist mess.

 

[bripat9643]

THE LOOK! Oh my goodness... when he asked how many thought their health care was terrible, the look on his face!!! AH Priceless!

And isn't that how it always is? The leftists always seem to assume that everyone just loves their system, because.... well.... how could you??! It's free! It's wonderful! It's the best in the world!

Reminds me of those Soviet era Kremlin leaders all talking about the workers Paradise. Or the quote by Hitler on how the Germans loved him. Or Gaddafi, about how Libyans loved him. Or Hugo Chavez, on how they all loved his Bolvarian Revolution.

The left is so blinded by their own ideology, they constantly think everyone supports their policies.... because how could anyone possibly not support them?? Krugman get's a wake up call.

Based on what size sample?

Why don't you ask Mr. Krugman. Economists are supposed to be statisticians (by default) and yet he was willing to ask the question.....what do you think he would have said if they would have all kept their hands down ?

You know full good and well what he would have said.

Six people is not a sample of any significance....but Paul Kruggerbutt never let that stop him from trying to score points.

In this case, he got his ass kicked.

Krugman made the mistake of asking a question in public he didn't know the answer to; however, that tells us nothing about the economic logic of single payer health care:
"The alternative would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient?"
Possibly, health care is another facet of national defense?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/why-not-single-payer/

Another excuse. Endless excuses. Now it's that Krugman made a mistake in asking a question in public. How dare he. Of course, if they had kept their hands down, you'd be talking about how brilliant Krugman was for asking a question in public.

You people are so cheesy.

Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Answer from Canada, UK, Cuba, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries..... no.

What do you imagine you know about public health in Cuba, Cracker?
"The poorer countries of the world continue to struggle with an enormous health burden from diseases that we have long had the capacity to eliminate.

"Similarly, the health systems of some countries, rich and poor alike, are fragmented and inefficient, leaving many population groups underserved and often without health care access entirely.

"Cuba represents an important alternative example where modest infrastructure investments combined with a well-developed public health strategy have generated health status measures comparable with those of industrialized countries. Areas of success include control of infectious diseases, reduction in infant mortality, establishment of a research and biotechnology industry, and progress in control of chronic diseases, among others.

"If the Cuban experience were generalized to other poor and middle-income countries human health would be transformed.

"Given current political alignments, however, the major public health advances in Cuba, and the underlying strategy that has guided its health gains, have been systematically ignored.

"Scientists make claims to objectivity and empiricism that are often used to support an argument that they make unique contributions to social welfare.

"To justify those claims in the arena of international health, an open discussion should take place on the potential lessons to be learned from the Cuban experience."
Health in Cuba

Note: once of the sources for your propaganda:

3Hospital Universitario ‘Dr Gustavo Aldereguia Lima’, Cienfuegos, Cuba.

You're spouting communist propaganda.

 

[georgephillip]

Based on what size sample?

Why don't you ask Mr. Krugman. Economists are supposed to be statisticians (by default) and yet he was willing to ask the question.....what do you think he would have said if they would have all kept their hands down ?

You know full good and well what he would have said.

Six people is not a sample of any significance....but Paul Kruggerbutt never let that stop him from trying to score points.

In this case, he got his ass kicked.

Krugman made the mistake of asking a question in public he didn't know the answer to; however, that tells us nothing about the economic logic of single payer health care:
"The alternative would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient?"
Possibly, health care is another facet of national defense?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/why-not-single-payer/

Another excuse. Endless excuses. Now it's that Krugman made a mistake in asking a question in public. How dare he. Of course, if they had kept their hands down, you'd be talking about how brilliant Krugman was for asking a question in public.

You people are so cheesy.

Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Answer from Canada, UK, Cuba, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries..... no.

What do you imagine you know about public health in Cuba, Cracker?
"The poorer countries of the world continue to struggle with an enormous health burden from diseases that we have long had the capacity to eliminate.

"Similarly, the health systems of some countries, rich and poor alike, are fragmented and inefficient, leaving many population groups underserved and often without health care access entirely.

"Cuba represents an important alternative example where modest infrastructure investments combined with a well-developed public health strategy have generated health status measures comparable with those of industrialized countries. Areas of success include control of infectious diseases, reduction in infant mortality, establishment of a research and biotechnology industry, and progress in control of chronic diseases, among others.

"If the Cuban experience were generalized to other poor and middle-income countries human health would be transformed.

"Given current political alignments, however, the major public health advances in Cuba, and the underlying strategy that has guided its health gains, have been systematically ignored.

"Scientists make claims to objectivity and empiricism that are often used to support an argument that they make unique contributions to social welfare.

"To justify those claims in the arena of international health, an open discussion should take place on the potential lessons to be learned from the Cuban experience."
Health in Cuba

Note: once of the sources for your propaganda:

3Hospital Universitario ‘Dr Gustavo Aldereguia Lima’, Cienfuegos, Cuba.

You're spouting communist propaganda.

Oxford Journals are communist propaganda?
Oxford Journals

 

[Listening]

Obamacare Largest NC Insurer Announces Double-Digit Premium Increases - Guy Benson

Here you go Billy.......a freaking mess.

 

[Andylusion]

THE LOOK! Oh my goodness... when he asked how many thought their health care was terrible, the look on his face!!! AH Priceless!

And isn't that how it always is? The leftists always seem to assume that everyone just loves their system, because.... well.... how could you??! It's free! It's wonderful! It's the best in the world!

Reminds me of those Soviet era Kremlin leaders all talking about the workers Paradise. Or the quote by Hitler on how the Germans loved him. Or Gaddafi, about how Libyans loved him. Or Hugo Chavez, on how they all loved his Bolvarian Revolution.

The left is so blinded by their own ideology, they constantly think everyone supports their policies.... because how could anyone possibly not support them?? Krugman get's a wake up call.

Based on what size sample?

Why don't you ask Mr. Krugman. Economists are supposed to be statisticians (by default) and yet he was willing to ask the question.....what do you think he would have said if they would have all kept their hands down ?

You know full good and well what he would have said.

Six people is not a sample of any significance....but Paul Kruggerbutt never let that stop him from trying to score points.

In this case, he got his ass kicked.

Krugman made the mistake of asking a question in public he didn't know the answer to; however, that tells us nothing about the economic logic of single payer health care:
"The alternative would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient?"
Possibly, health care is another facet of national defense?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/why-not-single-payer/

Another excuse. Endless excuses. Now it's that Krugman made a mistake in asking a question in public. How dare he. Of course, if they had kept their hands down, you'd be talking about how brilliant Krugman was for asking a question in public.

You people are so cheesy.

Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Answer from Canada, UK, Cuba, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries..... no.

What do you imagine you know about public health in Cuba, Cracker?
"The poorer countries of the world continue to struggle with an enormous health burden from diseases that we have long had the capacity to eliminate.

"Similarly, the health systems of some countries, rich and poor alike, are fragmented and inefficient, leaving many population groups underserved and often without health care access entirely.

"Cuba represents an important alternative example where modest infrastructure investments combined with a well-developed public health strategy have generated health status measures comparable with those of industrialized countries. Areas of success include control of infectious diseases, reduction in infant mortality, establishment of a research and biotechnology industry, and progress in control of chronic diseases, among others.

"If the Cuban experience were generalized to other poor and middle-income countries human health would be transformed.

"Given current political alignments, however, the major public health advances in Cuba, and the underlying strategy that has guided its health gains, have been systematically ignored.

"Scientists make claims to objectivity and empiricism that are often used to support an argument that they make unique contributions to social welfare.

"To justify those claims in the arena of international health, an open discussion should take place on the potential lessons to be learned from the Cuban experience."
Health in Cuba

LOL.

Proving once again, any idiot with an opinion, can end up in an Oxford Journal.

Here's what I know... not from ivory pin heads, but from direct contact with Cuban exiles, and missionary trips to Cuba.

Our missionaries reported back that we should send them.... .Aspirin. Why? Because getting Aspirin in Cuba, is like finding gold along the interstate.

The average Cuba has no access to even Aspirin. Cubans are often delivered to hospitals in their own cars, are wheel borrows. They have little to no ambulance service.

Cuba 'doctors' are not qualified to even be an aid to a nurse, by our educational standards. Hospitals are largely neglected, and in a dilapidated state.

Cubans are not legally allowed to use hospitals for tourists, at tourists resorts.

Doctors in Cuba do not report infants that die, because doing so can result in them losing their jobs.

Health care in Cuba is a joke. Your article refers to the limits of disease in Cuba, and it's limited infrastructure, forgetting that nearly all of it's infrastructure is due to Cuba's Capitalists past, which during the 1950s, was on par with America.

Considering where we are today, verses where Cuba is today, giving it's parity in the past, is more than enough of an indictment of the socialist train wreck, known as Cuba.

 

[g5000]

Here's a fun fact: polls show 92% of Canadians prefer the Canadian healthcare system over the US system.

The remaining 8 percent have cancer or other life threatening illnesses and wish they lived in the US.

 

[Andylusion]

Why don't you ask Mr. Krugman. Economists are supposed to be statisticians (by default) and yet he was willing to ask the question.....what do you think he would have said if they would have all kept their hands down ?

You know full good and well what he would have said.

Six people is not a sample of any significance....but Paul Kruggerbutt never let that stop him from trying to score points.

In this case, he got his ass kicked.

Krugman made the mistake of asking a question in public he didn't know the answer to; however, that tells us nothing about the economic logic of single payer health care:
"The alternative would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient?"
Possibly, health care is another facet of national defense?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/why-not-single-payer/

Another excuse. Endless excuses. Now it's that Krugman made a mistake in asking a question in public. How dare he. Of course, if they had kept their hands down, you'd be talking about how brilliant Krugman was for asking a question in public.

You people are so cheesy.

Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Answer from Canada, UK, Cuba, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries..... no.

What do you imagine you know about public health in Cuba, Cracker?
"The poorer countries of the world continue to struggle with an enormous health burden from diseases that we have long had the capacity to eliminate.

"Similarly, the health systems of some countries, rich and poor alike, are fragmented and inefficient, leaving many population groups underserved and often without health care access entirely.

"Cuba represents an important alternative example where modest infrastructure investments combined with a well-developed public health strategy have generated health status measures comparable with those of industrialized countries. Areas of success include control of infectious diseases, reduction in infant mortality, establishment of a research and biotechnology industry, and progress in control of chronic diseases, among others.

"If the Cuban experience were generalized to other poor and middle-income countries human health would be transformed.

"Given current political alignments, however, the major public health advances in Cuba, and the underlying strategy that has guided its health gains, have been systematically ignored.

"Scientists make claims to objectivity and empiricism that are often used to support an argument that they make unique contributions to social welfare.

"To justify those claims in the arena of international health, an open discussion should take place on the potential lessons to be learned from the Cuban experience."
Health in Cuba

Note: once of the sources for your propaganda:

3Hospital Universitario ‘Dr Gustavo Aldereguia Lima’, Cienfuegos, Cuba.

You're spouting communist propaganda.

Oxford Journals are communist propaganda?
Oxford Journals

I don't know if the Oxford Journal itself is propaganda, but that specific article is without a doubt 100% propaganda. It's bull crap. The garbage about the qualify of Cuba health care has been refuted so many times, by so many source, not the least of which is former Cubans, that to still believe that crap, places a person in the hopelessly ignorant category.

 

[georgephillip]

Based on what size sample?

Why don't you ask Mr. Krugman. Economists are supposed to be statisticians (by default) and yet he was willing to ask the question.....what do you think he would have said if they would have all kept their hands down ?

You know full good and well what he would have said.

Six people is not a sample of any significance....but Paul Kruggerbutt never let that stop him from trying to score points.

In this case, he got his ass kicked.

Krugman made the mistake of asking a question in public he didn't know the answer to; however, that tells us nothing about the economic logic of single payer health care:
"The alternative would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient?"
Possibly, health care is another facet of national defense?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/why-not-single-payer/

Another excuse. Endless excuses. Now it's that Krugman made a mistake in asking a question in public. How dare he. Of course, if they had kept their hands down, you'd be talking about how brilliant Krugman was for asking a question in public.

You people are so cheesy.

Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Answer from Canada, UK, Cuba, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries..... no.

What do you imagine you know about public health in Cuba, Cracker?
"The poorer countries of the world continue to struggle with an enormous health burden from diseases that we have long had the capacity to eliminate.

"Similarly, the health systems of some countries, rich and poor alike, are fragmented and inefficient, leaving many population groups underserved and often without health care access entirely.

"Cuba represents an important alternative example where modest infrastructure investments combined with a well-developed public health strategy have generated health status measures comparable with those of industrialized countries. Areas of success include control of infectious diseases, reduction in infant mortality, establishment of a research and biotechnology industry, and progress in control of chronic diseases, among others.

"If the Cuban experience were generalized to other poor and middle-income countries human health would be transformed.

"Given current political alignments, however, the major public health advances in Cuba, and the underlying strategy that has guided its health gains, have been systematically ignored.

"Scientists make claims to objectivity and empiricism that are often used to support an argument that they make unique contributions to social welfare.

"To justify those claims in the arena of international health, an open discussion should take place on the potential lessons to be learned from the Cuban experience."
Health in Cuba

LOL.

Proving once again, any idiot with an opinion, can end up in an Oxford Journal.

Here's what I know... not from ivory pin heads, but from direct contact with Cuban exiles, and missionary trips to Cuba.

Our missionaries reported back that we should send them.... .Aspirin. Why? Because getting Aspirin in Cuba, is like finding gold along the interstate.

The average Cuba has no access to even Aspirin. Cubans are often delivered to hospitals in their own cars, are wheel borrows. They have little to no ambulance service.

Cuba 'doctors' are not qualified to even be an aid to a nurse, by our educational standards. Hospitals are largely neglected, and in a dilapidated state.

Cubans are not legally allowed to use hospitals for tourists, at tourists resorts.

Doctors in Cuba do not report infants that die, because doing so can result in them losing their jobs.

Health care in Cuba is a joke. Your article refers to the limits of disease in Cuba, and it's limited infrastructure, forgetting that nearly all of it's infrastructure is due to Cuba's Capitalists past, which during the 1950s, was on par with America.

Considering where we are today, verses where Cuba is today, giving it's parity in the past, is more than enough of an indictment of the socialist train wreck, known as Cuba.

Your amateur night propaganda is a new low, even by right-wing, fascist standards. Tell us how many times you've been to Cuba? How's your Spanish? Missionaries?

 

[georgephillip]

Krugman made the mistake of asking a question in public he didn't know the answer to; however, that tells us nothing about the economic logic of single payer health care:
"The alternative would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient?"
Possibly, health care is another facet of national defense?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/why-not-single-payer/

Another excuse. Endless excuses. Now it's that Krugman made a mistake in asking a question in public. How dare he. Of course, if they had kept their hands down, you'd be talking about how brilliant Krugman was for asking a question in public.

You people are so cheesy.

Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Answer from Canada, UK, Cuba, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries..... no.

What do you imagine you know about public health in Cuba, Cracker?
"The poorer countries of the world continue to struggle with an enormous health burden from diseases that we have long had the capacity to eliminate.

"Similarly, the health systems of some countries, rich and poor alike, are fragmented and inefficient, leaving many population groups underserved and often without health care access entirely.

"Cuba represents an important alternative example where modest infrastructure investments combined with a well-developed public health strategy have generated health status measures comparable with those of industrialized countries. Areas of success include control of infectious diseases, reduction in infant mortality, establishment of a research and biotechnology industry, and progress in control of chronic diseases, among others.

"If the Cuban experience were generalized to other poor and middle-income countries human health would be transformed.

"Given current political alignments, however, the major public health advances in Cuba, and the underlying strategy that has guided its health gains, have been systematically ignored.

"Scientists make claims to objectivity and empiricism that are often used to support an argument that they make unique contributions to social welfare.

"To justify those claims in the arena of international health, an open discussion should take place on the potential lessons to be learned from the Cuban experience."
Health in Cuba

Note: once of the sources for your propaganda:

3Hospital Universitario ‘Dr Gustavo Aldereguia Lima’, Cienfuegos, Cuba.

You're spouting communist propaganda.

Oxford Journals are communist propaganda?
Oxford Journals

I don't know if the Oxford Journal itself is propaganda, but that specific article is without a doubt 100% propaganda. It's bull crap. The garbage about the qualify of Cuba health care has been refuted so many times, by so many source, not the least of which is former Cubans, that to still believe that crap, places a person in the hopelessly ignorant category.

"Some[weasel words] claim an overall improvement in terms of disease and infant mortality rates in the 1960s.[2]

"Like the rest of the Cuban economy, Cuban medical care suffered following the end of Sovietsubsidies in 1991; the stepping up of the US embargo against Cuba at this time also had an effect.[3]

"Cuba has one of the highest life expectancy rates in the region, with the average citizen living to 78.05 years old[4] (in comparison to the United States' 78.62 years[5])."
Health care in Cuba - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Andylusion]

Why don't you ask Mr. Krugman. Economists are supposed to be statisticians (by default) and yet he was willing to ask the question.....what do you think he would have said if they would have all kept their hands down ?

You know full good and well what he would have said.

Six people is not a sample of any significance....but Paul Kruggerbutt never let that stop him from trying to score points.

In this case, he got his ass kicked.

Krugman made the mistake of asking a question in public he didn't know the answer to; however, that tells us nothing about the economic logic of single payer health care:
"The alternative would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient?"
Possibly, health care is another facet of national defense?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/why-not-single-payer/

Another excuse. Endless excuses. Now it's that Krugman made a mistake in asking a question in public. How dare he. Of course, if they had kept their hands down, you'd be talking about how brilliant Krugman was for asking a question in public.

You people are so cheesy.

Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Answer from Canada, UK, Cuba, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries..... no.

What do you imagine you know about public health in Cuba, Cracker?
"The poorer countries of the world continue to struggle with an enormous health burden from diseases that we have long had the capacity to eliminate.

"Similarly, the health systems of some countries, rich and poor alike, are fragmented and inefficient, leaving many population groups underserved and often without health care access entirely.

"Cuba represents an important alternative example where modest infrastructure investments combined with a well-developed public health strategy have generated health status measures comparable with those of industrialized countries. Areas of success include control of infectious diseases, reduction in infant mortality, establishment of a research and biotechnology industry, and progress in control of chronic diseases, among others.

"If the Cuban experience were generalized to other poor and middle-income countries human health would be transformed.

"Given current political alignments, however, the major public health advances in Cuba, and the underlying strategy that has guided its health gains, have been systematically ignored.

"Scientists make claims to objectivity and empiricism that are often used to support an argument that they make unique contributions to social welfare.

"To justify those claims in the arena of international health, an open discussion should take place on the potential lessons to be learned from the Cuban experience."
Health in Cuba

LOL.

Proving once again, any idiot with an opinion, can end up in an Oxford Journal.

Here's what I know... not from ivory pin heads, but from direct contact with Cuban exiles, and missionary trips to Cuba.

Our missionaries reported back that we should send them.... .Aspirin. Why? Because getting Aspirin in Cuba, is like finding gold along the interstate.

The average Cuba has no access to even Aspirin. Cubans are often delivered to hospitals in their own cars, are wheel borrows. They have little to no ambulance service.

Cuba 'doctors' are not qualified to even be an aid to a nurse, by our educational standards. Hospitals are largely neglected, and in a dilapidated state.

Cubans are not legally allowed to use hospitals for tourists, at tourists resorts.

Doctors in Cuba do not report infants that die, because doing so can result in them losing their jobs.

Health care in Cuba is a joke. Your article refers to the limits of disease in Cuba, and it's limited infrastructure, forgetting that nearly all of it's infrastructure is due to Cuba's Capitalists past, which during the 1950s, was on par with America.

Considering where we are today, verses where Cuba is today, giving it's parity in the past, is more than enough of an indictment of the socialist train wreck, known as Cuba.

Your amateur night propaganda is a new low, even by right-wing, fascist standards. Tell us how many times you've been to Cuba? How's your Spanish? Missionaries?

All you have done, is proven your ignorance. You should learn more about the topic, before speaking. Prevents others from noticing how uninformed you are.

Cuba s Much Lauded Health Care System No Longer Has Even Aspirin to Give Us Yoani Sanchez

From the Huffington Post, just to rub your mindless face in it.

 

[Roadrunner]

...our healthcare system?

Already there is a big money in healthcare. If corporations run our healthcare system, they can charge whatever they want. Seriously what good is having state of the art healthcare if poor people can't afford the most basic of cancer treatment?

Why would it not be better to create a system that insures proper treatment for everyone? Sure it wouldn't be perfect, but if you take away profit as an incentive you are less likely to have corruption. Let's stop wasting billions a year on useless defense expenses and focus that money on socialized medicine.

Here's a fun fact: polls show 92% of Canadians prefer the Canadian healthcare system over the US system.

Barack Hussein Obama

And nobody gives a fuck about what Canuks think.

 

[Andylusion]

Another excuse. Endless excuses. Now it's that Krugman made a mistake in asking a question in public. How dare he. Of course, if they had kept their hands down, you'd be talking about how brilliant Krugman was for asking a question in public.

You people are so cheesy.

Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Answer from Canada, UK, Cuba, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries..... no.

What do you imagine you know about public health in Cuba, Cracker?
"The poorer countries of the world continue to struggle with an enormous health burden from diseases that we have long had the capacity to eliminate.

"Similarly, the health systems of some countries, rich and poor alike, are fragmented and inefficient, leaving many population groups underserved and often without health care access entirely.

"Cuba represents an important alternative example where modest infrastructure investments combined with a well-developed public health strategy have generated health status measures comparable with those of industrialized countries. Areas of success include control of infectious diseases, reduction in infant mortality, establishment of a research and biotechnology industry, and progress in control of chronic diseases, among others.

"If the Cuban experience were generalized to other poor and middle-income countries human health would be transformed.

"Given current political alignments, however, the major public health advances in Cuba, and the underlying strategy that has guided its health gains, have been systematically ignored.

"Scientists make claims to objectivity and empiricism that are often used to support an argument that they make unique contributions to social welfare.

"To justify those claims in the arena of international health, an open discussion should take place on the potential lessons to be learned from the Cuban experience."
Health in Cuba

Note: once of the sources for your propaganda:

3Hospital Universitario ‘Dr Gustavo Aldereguia Lima’, Cienfuegos, Cuba.

You're spouting communist propaganda.

Oxford Journals are communist propaganda?
Oxford Journals

I don't know if the Oxford Journal itself is propaganda, but that specific article is without a doubt 100% propaganda. It's bull crap. The garbage about the qualify of Cuba health care has been refuted so many times, by so many source, not the least of which is former Cubans, that to still believe that crap, places a person in the hopelessly ignorant category.

"Some[weasel words] claim an overall improvement in terms of disease and infant mortality rates in the 1960s.[2]

"Like the rest of the Cuban economy, Cuban medical care suffered following the end of Sovietsubsidies in 1991; the stepping up of the US embargo against Cuba at this time also had an effect.[3]

"Cuba has one of the highest life expectancy rates in the region, with the average citizen living to 78.05 years old[4] (in comparison to the United States' 78.62 years[5])."
Health care in Cuba - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Does that include fatal injury adjustments? Since there is little crime in a police state, and not many accidents in a country where people can't afford, or get even if they could afford, a new car.... do you take that into account in your life expectancy?

Of course not. That wouldn't help your claim would it. Moving on.

 

[georgephillip]

Krugman made the mistake of asking a question in public he didn't know the answer to; however, that tells us nothing about the economic logic of single payer health care:
"The alternative would be single-payer, aka Medicare for all: a payroll tax on everyone, and a government insurance program for everyone. Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient?"
Possibly, health care is another facet of national defense?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/why-not-single-payer/

Another excuse. Endless excuses. Now it's that Krugman made a mistake in asking a question in public. How dare he. Of course, if they had kept their hands down, you'd be talking about how brilliant Krugman was for asking a question in public.

You people are so cheesy.

Wouldn’t that be simpler, easier to administer, and more efficient? Answer from Canada, UK, Cuba, Venezuela, and dozens of other countries..... no.

What do you imagine you know about public health in Cuba, Cracker?
"The poorer countries of the world continue to struggle with an enormous health burden from diseases that we have long had the capacity to eliminate.

"Similarly, the health systems of some countries, rich and poor alike, are fragmented and inefficient, leaving many population groups underserved and often without health care access entirely.

"Cuba represents an important alternative example where modest infrastructure investments combined with a well-developed public health strategy have generated health status measures comparable with those of industrialized countries. Areas of success include control of infectious diseases, reduction in infant mortality, establishment of a research and biotechnology industry, and progress in control of chronic diseases, among others.

"If the Cuban experience were generalized to other poor and middle-income countries human health would be transformed.

"Given current political alignments, however, the major public health advances in Cuba, and the underlying strategy that has guided its health gains, have been systematically ignored.

"Scientists make claims to objectivity and empiricism that are often used to support an argument that they make unique contributions to social welfare.

"To justify those claims in the arena of international health, an open discussion should take place on the potential lessons to be learned from the Cuban experience."
Health in Cuba

LOL.

Proving once again, any idiot with an opinion, can end up in an Oxford Journal.

Here's what I know... not from ivory pin heads, but from direct contact with Cuban exiles, and missionary trips to Cuba.

Our missionaries reported back that we should send them.... .Aspirin. Why? Because getting Aspirin in Cuba, is like finding gold along the interstate.

The average Cuba has no access to even Aspirin. Cubans are often delivered to hospitals in their own cars, are wheel borrows. They have little to no ambulance service.

Cuba 'doctors' are not qualified to even be an aid to a nurse, by our educational standards. Hospitals are largely neglected, and in a dilapidated state.

Cubans are not legally allowed to use hospitals for tourists, at tourists resorts.

Doctors in Cuba do not report infants that die, because doing so can result in them losing their jobs.

Health care in Cuba is a joke. Your article refers to the limits of disease in Cuba, and it's limited infrastructure, forgetting that nearly all of it's infrastructure is due to Cuba's Capitalists past, which during the 1950s, was on par with America.

Considering where we are today, verses where Cuba is today, giving it's parity in the past, is more than enough of an indictment of the socialist train wreck, known as Cuba.

Your amateur night propaganda is a new low, even by right-wing, fascist standards. Tell us how many times you've been to Cuba? How's your Spanish? Missionaries?

All you have done, is proven your ignorance. You should learn more about the topic, before speaking. Prevents others from noticing how uninformed you are.

Cuba s Much Lauded Health Care System No Longer Has Even Aspirin to Give Us Yoani Sanchez

From the Huffington Post, just to rub your mindless face in it.

2011???
Are you that far out of touch, Homeschool?
Try Cuba 2014 if you're not afraid of reality, which, of course, you are, or you wouldn't rub your nose in every pile of corporate shit you come across.
"Public Funding

"Due to the fact that Cuba’s health system is principally funded by the state, free preventive medical treatment and diagnostic testing are offered the people as a mainstay of its healthcare ethos. Cuba also offers certain free medications and other subsidizing options as an added value to the people. This keeps healthcare cheaper while also keeping the public perhaps healthier than it otherwise might be.

"Prevention and Primary Care

"Cuba subscribes to the Alma Ata Declaration, guaranteeing 'Health for All.' Cuba thus focuses largely on its primary care. Many research experts claim that Cuba maintains this dedication to 'health for all' more comprehensively than anywhere else in the world, especially the US. As the benchmark of the Cuban healthcare system is primary care, the resulting system roots itself in a social health that seeks not only to aid its people, but also to engender a nation-wide culture of health. The people thus see the benefits of universal healthcare and these, its other components, and they endeavor democratically to improve upon it."

American Health Care a Cuban Fix CounterPunch Tells the Facts Names the Names