Can Any Rightwinger Give Me A Solid Argument Why Private Industry Instead Of Government Should Run..

[blackhawk]

Because for the most part private industry can run things better and more efficient than the government can. The government is currently 17 trillion in debt and counting I can not think of any company in the private sector that can say the same.

Oh really? Is that why WHO ranks our healthcare system as one of the worst for the developed world? According to them our system ranks right above Slovenia's.

If that is true then why do so many people come here when they need treatment for serious health problems instead of Slovenia? By the way the VA is form of government run healthcare the job they were doing is as good as it gets for not having government run healthcare.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Single payer, anyone?

"Single-payer health care is a system in which the government, rather than private insurers, pays for all health care costs.[1]

"Single-payer systems may contract for healthcare services from private organizations (as is the case in Canada) or may own and employ healthcare resources and personnel (as is the case in the United Kingdom).

"The term 'single-payer' thus only describes the funding mechanism—referring to health care financed by a single public body from a single fund—and does not specify the type of delivery, or for whom doctors work."

When I turned 65 two years ago and became eligible for Medicare I was able to afford preventive health care for the first time in my life. I no longer had to wait to get sick to see a doctor. As a consequence, my physical and mental health is better today than it has been in the last twenty five years, at least.

Single-payer health care - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So you were a bum for 65 years?

 

[Billy000]

...our healthcare system?

Already there is a big money in healthcare. If corporations run our healthcare system, they can charge whatever they want. Seriously what good is having state of the art healthcare if poor people can't afford the most basic of cancer treatment?

Why would it not be better to create a system that insures proper treatment for everyone? Sure it wouldn't be perfect, but if you take away profit as an incentive you are less likely to have corruption. Let's stop wasting billions a year on useless defense expenses and focus that money on socialized medicine.

Here's a fun fact: polls show 92% of Canadians prefer the Canadian healthcare system over the US system.

I've given you answers to your questions before and you've simply ignored the answers and stuck with your faith-based views. Why should people expend effort on trying to educate you when you have no intention of abandoning your faith-based views?

Go ahead dude humor me. Give me these airtight arguments one more time. If I ignore them I would only be embarrassing myself.

 

[dblack]

Because there's no reason to call the cops.

 

[Jarhead]

...our healthcare system?

Already there is a big money in healthcare. If corporations run our healthcare system, they can charge whatever they want. Seriously what good is having state of the art healthcare if poor people can't afford the most basic of cancer treatment?

Why would it not be better to create a system that insures proper treatment for everyone? Sure it wouldn't be perfect, but if you take away profit as an incentive you are less likely to have corruption. Let's stop wasting billions a year on useless defense expenses and focus that money on socialized medicine.

Here's a fun fact: polls show 92% of Canadians prefer the Canadian healthcare system over the US system.

I've given you answers to your questions before and you've simply ignored the answers and stuck with your faith-based views. Why should people expend effort on trying to educate you when you have no intention of abandoning your faith-based views?

Go ahead dude humor me. Give me these airtight arguments one more time. If I ignore them I would only be embarrassing myself.

So you asked me to cite our arguments...I do....and you, once again, ignore the post.

You are a child.

 

[Billy000]

Because for the most part private industry can run things better and more efficient than the government can. The government is currently 17 trillion in debt and counting I can not think of any company in the private sector that can say the same.

Oh really? Is that why WHO ranks our healthcare system as one of the worst for the developed world? According to them our system ranks right above Slovenia's.

If that is true then why do so many people come here when they need treatment for serious health problems instead of Slovenia? By the way the VA is form of government run healthcare the job they were doing is as good as it gets for not having government run healthcare.

RICH FOREIGNERS COME HERE. ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE WEALTTTHHHHYYYY.

 

[Billy000]

Because for the most part private industry can run things better and more efficient than the government can. The government is currently 17 trillion in debt and counting I can not think of any company in the private sector that can say the same.

Oh really? Is that why WHO ranks our healthcare system as one of the worst for the developed world? According to them our system ranks right above Slovenia's.

What does that have to do with the post you quoted? Did you even read it? Can you read? You mean the WHO study that was debunked many times over? You mean the WHO study that was heavily weighted toward socialized medicine?

Answer me this nut job; who is curing Ebola patients? Great Britain? France? Canada?

Dumbass.

I am not denying that our healthcare system is sophisticated. The obvious problem is that only the financially secure can afford it and only rich people can afford the really good stuff.

 

[The Rabbi]

Because for the most part private industry can run things better and more efficient than the government can. The government is currently 17 trillion in debt and counting I can not think of any company in the private sector that can say the same.

Oh really? Is that why WHO ranks our healthcare system as one of the worst for the developed world? According to them our system ranks right above Slovenia's.

If that is true then why do so many people come here when they need treatment for serious health problems instead of Slovenia? By the way the VA is form of government run healthcare the job they were doing is as good as it gets for not having government run healthcare.

RICH FOREIGNERS COME HERE. ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE WEALTTTHHHHYYYY.

Oh, thanks for shouting. It makes your argument much more convincing.
By the way, what was your argument? Because the fact that rich people come here indicates our health care system is among the best in the world. Because rich people could go anywhere since they spend their own money.
Hmm, looks like you just shot yourself in the foot again.
What industry failed? You havent answered that one yet.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Here's a few reasons

The government spent over $1 Billion to develop the only website on the planet that can't tell you when someone bought your product

The government runs public housing, the Post Office and the DMV

Okay so your basic, simple minded point is that sometimes gov fails. Well I can give you countless examples of private industry failing. Does that mean we should abolish capitalism? No of course not.

Give me an example of private industry failing. You said "countless"....give me one.

You're joking right? You want me to give you examples of a business going under?

Go ahead....and I'll show you a business that took their place because they did a better job of it. It's called competition,something that the government doesnt have....in other words they have a monopoly.

 

[The Rabbi]

Because for the most part private industry can run things better and more efficient than the government can. The government is currently 17 trillion in debt and counting I can not think of any company in the private sector that can say the same.

Oh really? Is that why WHO ranks our healthcare system as one of the worst for the developed world? According to them our system ranks right above Slovenia's.

What does that have to do with the post you quoted? Did you even read it? Can you read? You mean the WHO study that was debunked many times over? You mean the WHO study that was heavily weighted toward socialized medicine?

Answer me this nut job; who is curing Ebola patients? Great Britain? France? Canada?

Dumbass.

I am not denying that our healthcare system is sophisticated. The obvious problem is that only the financially secure can afford it and only rich people can afford the really good stuff.

Over 90% of AMericans must be financially secure. BEcause those are the people using it.

 

[Jarhead]

Because for the most part private industry can run things better and more efficient than the government can. The government is currently 17 trillion in debt and counting I can not think of any company in the private sector that can say the same.

Oh really? Is that why WHO ranks our healthcare system as one of the worst for the developed world? According to them our system ranks right above Slovenia's.

What does that have to do with the post you quoted? Did you even read it? Can you read? You mean the WHO study that was debunked many times over? You mean the WHO study that was heavily weighted toward socialized medicine?

Answer me this nut job; who is curing Ebola patients? Great Britain? France? Canada?

Dumbass.

I am not denying that our healthcare system is sophisticated. The obvious problem is that only the financially secure can afford it and only rich people can afford the really good stuff.

Over 90% of AMericans must be financially secure. BEcause those are the people using it.

Still ignoring my response Billy. You asked me to cite our arguments that you claimed we did not cite....so I cited them in one post ion response to your request....AND YOU IGNORED IT.

Why is that?

 

[Rikurzhen]

Here's the problem with threads like this written by you left wing nut jobs. You have already decided that there isn't any way any right winger could ever answer your challenge. No matter what anyone said you would deny it. It isn't as if you really want to know and that you will take the right wingers answer seriously. You simply want to deny all comers and then claim that you posed a question that no right winger could answer.

You are too transparent there loser. I just laugh at you.

Lol translation: you have no argument to put forth.

You have no clue how Canada achieves its cost efficiencies. I'd like though for you to educate us about your vision of how the US can achieve the same cost efficiencies as the Canadian system.

Here's the income statement for a large health provider - United Health. They earned only a 4.32% profit on their operations and to earn that profit they had to manage their financial operations very carefully in order to reduce waste and fraud, something that Medicare administrators don't have to do because they don't risk losing their jobs via bankruptcy if they lose money.

IN order to earn that 4.32% profit, the shareholders of United Health have had to invest billions of dollars. The profit that was earned on operations amounted to a 4.38% return on invested capital.

So if you took over the operations of United Health and put the whole shebang under government control you'd also have to supply the billions of dollars for the capital needed to operate the system and now you could keep that 4.32% profit from operations for the government.

Now that private enterprise is out of the equation, other than than 4.32% what else are you going to do to bring American expenditures down to Canadian levels?

I'm all eyes and ears awaiting your lesson for me.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Because for the most part private industry can run things better and more efficient than the government can. The government is currently 17 trillion in debt and counting I can not think of any company in the private sector that can say the same.

Oh really? Is that why WHO ranks our healthcare system as one of the worst for the developed world? According to them our system ranks right above Slovenia's.

If that is true then why do so many people come here when they need treatment for serious health problems instead of Slovenia? By the way the VA is form of government run healthcare the job they were doing is as good as it gets for not having government run healthcare.

RICH FOREIGNERS COME HERE. ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE WEALTTTHHHHYYYY.

My aunt and my cousin both work in the Canadian health care system.....and they both say it sucks.

 

[Billy000]

Here's a few reasons

The government spent over $1 Billion to develop the only website on the planet that can't tell you when someone bought your product

The government runs public housing, the Post Office and the DMV

Okay so your basic, simple minded point is that sometimes gov fails. Well I can give you countless examples of private industry failing. Does that mean we should abolish capitalism? No of course not.

Give me an example of private industry failing. You said "countless"....give me one.

See, Billy is stupid. And stupid people think that two things that sound or seem similar are actually identical.
So he could point to, e.g. Wang Computers as a "private industry that failed." Or Eastern Airlines. But private industry is not identical to private company (i.e. not government owned). But to brainless turds like Billy it's all pretty much the same thing.

Exactly.

I can not think of a single industry that failed in the US. Sure, some are fading out due to changes in technology and EPA regulations......but I can not think of one that failed.

Here's the problem with threads like this written by you left wing nut jobs. You have already decided that there isn't any way any right winger could ever answer your challenge. No matter what anyone said you would deny it. It isn't as if you really want to know and that you will take the right wingers answer seriously. You simply want to deny all comers and then claim that you posed a question that no right winger could answer.

You are too transparent there loser. I just laugh at you.

Lol translation: you have no argument to put forth.

This whole thread is filled with arguments to your premise......you just ignire them and say they are not viable...without backing it up.

im sorry. What argument am I ignoring exactly?

1) When government tries to do what private industry can do, it winds up with higher costs and less efficiency. This is fact. Look into the time the federal government deemed it more cost efficient to manufacture iron on its own for tanks and other military vehicles....it wound up costing twice as much to produce it than it did to buy it from private industry

2) The Canadian poll is a farce. How can Canadians compare theirs to ours if they don't use ours? You were duped by a left wing poll

3) The DMV is a disaster. No efficiency; no customer service. The USPS runs in the red...year after year. Fed Ex ande UPS walk all over USPS overnight delivery

4) It cost the US government 600 million dollars to design and implement a web site that caters to 300 million people in one country. How much did AMazon spend to cater to billions over 7 continents?

Shall I continue?

1) you're making a generalized statement about gov itself. To suggest gov is inherently flawed is a fallacy. High cost huh? You actually think our healthcare system is cheap? You're shitting me right?

2) You don't even know the poll. Tell me how could a poll taken of Canadians have an American liberal bias?

3) more fallacy. You're comparing apples to carrots. Non sense.

4) same point as above. Anecdotal irrelevant comparisons do jack shit for your argument.

 

[Zoom-boing]

...our healthcare system?

Already there is a big money in healthcare. If corporations run our healthcare system, they can charge whatever they want. Seriously what good is having state of the art healthcare if poor people can't afford the most basic of cancer treatment?

Why would it not be better to create a system that insures proper treatment for everyone? Sure it wouldn't be perfect, but if you take away profit as an incentive you are less likely to have corruption. Let's stop wasting billions a year on useless defense expenses and focus that money on socialized medicine.

Here's a fun fact: polls show 92% of Canadians prefer the Canadian healthcare system over the US system.

The government doesn't make a profit so therefore, there is less corruption in the government.



When ISIS comes knocking on our door will you still think ... er, believe that defense expenses are 'useless'?

 

[Jarhead]

Here's a few reasons

The government spent over $1 Billion to develop the only website on the planet that can't tell you when someone bought your product

The government runs public housing, the Post Office and the DMV

Okay so your basic, simple minded point is that sometimes gov fails. Well I can give you countless examples of private industry failing. Does that mean we should abolish capitalism? No of course not.

Give me an example of private industry failing. You said "countless"....give me one.

You're joking right? You want me to give you examples of a business going under?

A business going under?

You did not say "a business"...

You said there were countless "private industries" that went under.....and I asked you to name one.

Sparky....a private business is a component of a private industry......but it is not an industry.

How the hell can you debate economics when you are not aware of the basic economic principles?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

...our healthcare system?

Already there is a big money in healthcare. If corporations run our healthcare system, they can charge whatever they want. Seriously what good is having state of the art healthcare if poor people can't afford the most basic of cancer treatment?

Why would it not be better to create a system that insures proper treatment for everyone? Sure it wouldn't be perfect, but if you take away profit as an incentive you are less likely to have corruption. Let's stop wasting billions a year on useless defense expenses and focus that money on socialized medicine.

Here's a fun fact: polls show 92% of Canadians prefer the Canadian healthcare system over the US system.

You know what the government should be doing with healthcare? And they do have a role

Every state should have an advisory board that sets price controls for various procedures in that state.

That's it.

That's how they "control" energy prices, as an example. And it works, Nearly everyone can afford electricity, and no one has to buy insurances in case they ever need more electricity than they can afford.

That worked really well in the insurance market, right?
When you set prices below the market you get shortages and rising prices. This is like Econ 101 or less.

Of course it works in the insurance market, unless the federal government is running around subsidizing healthcare insurance, which of course I did NOT advocate.

 

[Jarhead]

Here's a few reasons

The government spent over $1 Billion to develop the only website on the planet that can't tell you when someone bought your product

The government runs public housing, the Post Office and the DMV

Okay so your basic, simple minded point is that sometimes gov fails. Well I can give you countless examples of private industry failing. Does that mean we should abolish capitalism? No of course not.

Give me an example of private industry failing. You said "countless"....give me one.

See, Billy is stupid. And stupid people think that two things that sound or seem similar are actually identical.
So he could point to, e.g. Wang Computers as a "private industry that failed." Or Eastern Airlines. But private industry is not identical to private company (i.e. not government owned). But to brainless turds like Billy it's all pretty much the same thing.

Exactly.

I can not think of a single industry that failed in the US. Sure, some are fading out due to changes in technology and EPA regulations......but I can not think of one that failed.

Here's the problem with threads like this written by you left wing nut jobs. You have already decided that there isn't any way any right winger could ever answer your challenge. No matter what anyone said you would deny it. It isn't as if you really want to know and that you will take the right wingers answer seriously. You simply want to deny all comers and then claim that you posed a question that no right winger could answer.

You are too transparent there loser. I just laugh at you.

Lol translation: you have no argument to put forth.

This whole thread is filled with arguments to your premise......you just ignire them and say they are not viable...without backing it up.

im sorry. What argument am I ignoring exactly?

1) When government tries to do what private industry can do, it winds up with higher costs and less efficiency. This is fact. Look into the time the federal government deemed it more cost efficient to manufacture iron on its own for tanks and other military vehicles....it wound up costing twice as much to produce it than it did to buy it from private industry

2) The Canadian poll is a farce. How can Canadians compare theirs to ours if they don't use ours? You were duped by a left wing poll

3) The DMV is a disaster. No efficiency; no customer service. The USPS runs in the red...year after year. Fed Ex ande UPS walk all over USPS overnight delivery

4) It cost the US government 600 million dollars to design and implement a web site that caters to 300 million people in one country. How much did AMazon spend to cater to billions over 7 continents?

Shall I continue?

1) you're making a generalized statement about gov itself. To suggest gov is inherently flawed is a fallacy. High cost huh? You actually think our healthcare system is cheap? You're shitting me right?

2) You don't even know the poll. Tell me how could a poll taken of Canadians have an American liberal bias?

3) more fallacy. You're comparing apples to carrots. Non sense.

4) same point as above. Anecdotal irrelevant comparisons do jack shit for your argument.

That's how you debate? You simply say I am wrong without backing it up?
How fucking juvenile.

You are not longer worth my time.

 

[Avatar4321]

Efficiency. Competency. Creativity.

 

[Rotagilla]

...our healthcare system?

Already there is a big money in healthcare. If corporations run our healthcare system, they can charge whatever they want. Seriously what good is having state of the art healthcare if poor people can't afford the most basic of cancer treatment?

Why would it not be better to create a system that insures proper treatment for everyone? Sure it wouldn't be perfect, but if you take away profit as an incentive you are less likely to have corruption. Let's stop wasting billions a year on useless defense expenses and focus that money on socialized medicine.

Here's a fun fact: polls show 92% of Canadians prefer the Canadian healthcare system over the US system.

I've given you answers to your questions before and you've simply ignored the answers and stuck with your faith-based views. Why should people expend effort on trying to educate you when you have no intention of abandoning your faith-based views?

Go ahead dude humor me. Give me these airtight arguments one more time. If I ignore them I would only be embarrassing myself.

So you asked me to cite our arguments...I do....and you, once again, ignore the post.

You are a child.

It's a favorite tactic of many, I notice...run you around and around in circles over the same ground. Explain this, define that, they try to play word games and cause distractions ...weak and transparent.