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[Calypso Jones]

Unsure what you mean by this

i mean. i see your point but i think that there are less children that need protection except from their teachers.

 

[Unkotare]

The camera shouldn’t trouble you then.

As I've said hundreds of times, it wouldn't. It's not going to happen anyway.

 

[Weatherman2020]

As I've said hundreds of times, it wouldn't. It's not going to happen anyway.

Of course it won’t. Teacher unions support the crap going on in schools and the plummeting education of the next generation.

 

[Weatherman2020]

As I've said hundreds of times, it wouldn't. It's not going to happen anyway.

You disagree, but the fact remains teacher unions are openly opposing transparency across American schools.

 

[SweetSue92]

Why wouldn’t I want to know that half my child’s class is throwing spitballs and playing on their phone during class?
Tells me my child must be removed to a better environment.

Because you are not entitled to see the business of other underaged children who are not yours. Period, full stop.

If, of course, your child reports this or his/her grades are falling because of this behavior, you have a right to pursue this with the school. The school cannot and will not tell you which children are causing the issue because, again, that is not your business.

Isn't this what you all are on the soapbox for these days? Parents' rights?

You don't have the right to know other families' business.

 

[SweetSue92]

During COVID, we essentially had "cameras in the classroom." Their kids were on Zoom and they could watch the teacher, the presentation, and the others students.

Some of the parents did not like what they heard their children being taught.

Kids are on camera in the entrance way, the hallways, the gym, the cafeteria and outside the building, in my school. The places were the cameras are not are the bathrooms/locker rooms, classrooms and the administrative offices.

If a parent of a child in a self-contained room - meaning kids stay in one room all day and one teacher teaches all subject, or subject teachers come in and out, parents can request a cameral be put in that classroom.

Access to any of those cameras by a parent would require a court order.

Excellent post.

Two things:

1. Children on zoom could turn their cameras off. They didn't have to appear on camera, and had they pushed, could probably make the case not to appear in "live" classrooms that others could see at all.

2. Cameras in the common areas, where a breach of security, is a good idea. But again: these are not on a "live cam" situation where parents can watch it. The tapes can be accessed, as you note, but the process is not easy.

 

[SweetSue92]

i mean. i see your point but i think that there are less children that need protection except from their teachers.

No. That's the media lying to you.

I have been in my district since 1995. In that time, there are two teachers/admin who have been fired/prosecuted for abuse crimes on children. It's a very big district, too. Two in nearly 30 years.

In that time, we have had many, many terrible custody situations. Yearly.

Stop pretending that teachers are villains but parents are pure as the driven snow. Look at society. It's spread around pretty evenly.

 

[Unkotare]

pm me.

What, is it a secret?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Because you are not entitled to see the business of other underaged children who are not yours. Period, full stop.

If, of course, your child reports this or his/her grades are falling because of this behavior, you have a right to pursue this with the school. The school cannot and will not tell you which children are causing the issue because, again, that is not your business.

Isn't this what you all are on the soapbox for these days? Parents' rights?

You don't have the right to know other families' business.

Your comrade says I’m free to walk into my child’s classroom to observe at any time.
Why did he lie?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Excellent post.

Two things:

1. Children on zoom could turn their cameras off. They didn't have to appear on camera, and had they pushed, could probably make the case not to appear in "live" classrooms that others could see at all.

It was not optional in my school. If the kid turned the camera off, they were told to turn it back on, so the teacher knew they were there.

2. Cameras in the common areas, where a breach of security, is a good idea. But again: these are not on a "live cam" situation where parents can watch it. The tapes can be accessed, as you note, but the process is not easy.

I agree, parents should not be watching every class in real time. I was just pointing out that this is what was available during remote "learning." Parents who visit their children's classrooms can see other kids, and parents who pick up their kids in the car rider area can see other kids.

It's great that we are over-protective of kids, but we need to be logical about it. We get recorded everywhere we go, and I don't see that changing in our lifetimes. Someone has access to those cameras, and they are almost always a government official or corporate employee of some type.

 

[SweetSue92]

Your comrade says I’m free to walk into my child’s classroom to observe at any time.
Why did he lie?

I have him on ignore for a reason. I'm not responsible for what others say, here or elsewhere.

So rather than hold me accountable for what I never said, why don't you start to defend your idea of live-access cameras in the classroom, after you've been given all the information in this thread. Why do YOU have the right to invade the privacy of children who are not yours?

 

[SweetSue92]

Parents who visit their children's classrooms can see other kids, and parents who pick up their kids in the car rider area can see other kids.

Of course, but then, the school and by default, the other parents have some control over what situations those children are viewed in. And frankly, which parents are viewing--let's be honest. The PTO mom whose fourth kid is coming through, who has volunteered for a decade? She can probably come in and out of the school at will. She has earned that.

The dad who is estranged from all his kids' mothers, has protection orders and possibly felonies? Sure, he can come in. In any decent school, you best believe the principal is notified of his presence, and maybe even district higher-ups.

But if you give live camera access, this dad can see the entire school day, start to finish. Why do my fellow conservatives think this is a lovely thing--just to get the teachers? This is not protecting kids either.

These same people who are having a full on freakout about Sound of Freedom are ALSO saying, "Hey you know what's a great idea? Live cams into every kindergarten classroom. What could go wrong?"

Being politically blind is an amazing thing.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I have him on ignore for a reason. I'm not responsible for what others say, here or elsewhere.

So rather than hold me accountable for what I never said, why don't you start to defend your idea of live-access cameras in the classroom, after you've been given all the information in this thread. Why do YOU have the right to invade the privacy of children who are not yours?

Why should I have to defend parents being able to see what’s going on inside their child’s classroom?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Of course, but then, the school and by default, the other parents have some control over what situations those children are viewed in. And frankly, which parents are viewing--let's be honest. The PTO mom whose fourth kid is coming through, who has volunteered for a decade? She can probably come in and out of the school at will. She has earned that.

Yes, those kind of parents are awesome. More should be like that. It is their children even though the school has them so many hours.

The dad who is estranged from all his kids' mothers, has protection orders and possibly felonies? Sure, he can come in. In any decent school, you best believe the principal is notified of his presence, and maybe even district higher-ups.

Yes, administrators earn their boat when theybhavevto deal withvsituations like that.

But if you give live camera access, this dad can see the entire school day, start to finish. Why do my fellow conservatives think this is a lovely thing--just to get the teachers? This is not protecting kids either.

These same people who are having a full on freakout about Sound of Freedom are ALSO saying, "Hey you know what's a great idea? Live cams into every kindergarten classroom. What could go wrong?"

Being politically blind is an amazing thing.

To be fair, most conservatives are not teachers. They will hear your opposition to parental access to classrooms as wanting to hide something. They dont get the need for privacy of say a student who gets in class support due to LD or gets pulled out for social skills due to AU.

They are also seeing a lot about woke educators pushing an agenda. Nearly always It is administrators and Soros backedvelected school boards or counselors who push that. Only a few woke teachers make news by Tik toking their ridiculous ideas.

We should probably be speaking out more. Conservatives tend to be polite and not talk politics at work while the few liberals with jobs often think it's their duty to "raise awareness" of the latest thing, often in a pushy and obnoxious way.

 

[SweetSue92]

Why should I have to defend parents being able to see what’s going on inside their child’s classroom?

For all the reasons I've stated here, which you CAN'T defend.

Case closed, then.

 

[SweetSue92]

Yes, those kind of parents are awesome. More should be like that. It is their children even though the school has them so many hours.

Yes, administrators earn their boat when theybhavevto deal withvsituations like that.

To be fair, most conservatives are not teachers. They will hear your opposition to parental access to classrooms as wanting to hide something. They dont get the need for privacy of say a student who gets in class support due to LD or gets pulled out for social skills due to AU.

Yes, but as I said earlier in the thread, these are the same folks freaking out about Sound of Freedom, sure that a pedo is on every corner just waiting to snatch their child.

In the very next breath, they want their child's every step live camera accessed in school so not only they can watch it, but little Ava's mother, who lives with her ex-con boyfriend, can have access to it as well.

Note: not a single conservative here will have an answer to my above claim. That's what really bothers me: these folks PRETEND they care about the kids when in reality, and when confronted, they will put kids at risk just to "get" the teachers.

 

[Weatherman2020]

For all the reasons I've stated here, which you CAN'T defend.

Case closed, then.

I can fully defend a parent being able to see what’s going on inside their child’s classroom.

You on the other hand demand secrecy.

 

[SweetSue92]

I can fully defend a parent being able to see what’s going on inside their child’s classroom.

You on the other hand demand secrecy.

So once again, you have nothing to say about the fact that little Ava's family, whose mother is dating an ex-con, can ALSO see the entire class. You keep going back to "parent being able to see what's going on inside their child's classroom". Wouldn't that be great in a perfect world? But it's not perfect. So we have the families and the parents we do.

Address that or admit defeat.

 

[Weatherman2020]

So once again, you have nothing to say about the fact that little Ava's family, whose mother is dating an ex-con, can ALSO see the entire class. You keep going back to "parent being able to see what's going on inside their child's classroom". Wouldn't that be great in a perfect world? But it's not perfect. So we have the families and the parents we do.

Address that or admit defeat.

So what? What’s going on inside your classroom you want to keep a secret from her?

 

[SweetSue92]

So what? What’s going on inside your classroom you want to keep a secret from her?

Why do you think there's so many kids who already cannot be photographed or videotaped--and this is perfectly lawful?

What do you propose to do with them?

Answer without deflecting or admit defeat.