California governor signs law to limit shootings by police

[miketx]

Reads to me you think you are a mind reader. Therefore I would suggest you are full of it.
Completely and utterly full of it.

The law is trying to say that the police can not shoot unless necessary and you are condemning that law.

Hence, my statement.

It's always been like that. cop. Right now cops can't shoot unless they have to. What filth like you want is to get more cops killed and let more criminals go free. And that is just what you will get. More crime. Just like you want.

This man did not have to be shot.

Attorney: Man killed at Costco was mentally ill, off meds

Shouldn't have attacked the cop, crime lover.

Here we go..........

Got nothing to say so you spew bullshit. Like all regressive crime lovers do.

 

[pknopp]

The law is trying to say that the police can not shoot unless necessary and you are condemning that law.

Hence, my statement.

It's always been like that. cop. Right now cops can't shoot unless they have to. What filth like you want is to get more cops killed and let more criminals go free. And that is just what you will get. More crime. Just like you want.

This man did not have to be shot.

Attorney: Man killed at Costco was mentally ill, off meds

Shouldn't have attacked the cop, crime lover.

Here we go..........

Got nothing to say so you spew bullshit. Like all regressive crime lovers do.

I said what I had to say. You enforced what I had to say. Nothing more to say.

 

[SavannahMann]

I don’t understand the hysteria. Perhaps you all can help me. Instead of the old standard, Reasonable, it is now changed to Necessary. What it does is change the standards. No longer can the cop whip out the get out of jail free card. I was a feared for my life. That excuse has justified shootings that were outrageous.

So what is Lethal Force? Is it the answer to all problems? No. It is the last resort. The one we use when faced with a problem that requires us to take a life. He might have been going for a gun, or might have been on drugs, is not enough of a reason. He might have been is your fears speaking to you instead of your brain.

The problem is that the claims of doom and gloom, of dead cops stacked up like cordwood or some such shit, are just that. Claims. In Georgia, half of the shootings by police were when the “suspect” was unarmed, or was shot in the back. I have to assume that California is somewhat similar. No weapon was found.

In the 1970’s, if no weapon was found, cops everywhere would have been in trouble. You didn’t shoot because you could get away with it. You didn’t tailor your story to fit the accepted narrative. Either the baddie had a weapon, or didn’t. We didn’t live in an insane reverse Wild West movie where the first guy to draw was the winner. Yes, cops got killed then too. That dropped dramatically during the 1980’s with the advent of body armor, the bullet proof vests that cops wear regularly now. However, deaths of “suspects” jumped dramatically when the standard was changed nationally to Reasonable.

Lethal force became the first and only step too often. Reasonable means that reasonable people are using it, and that is obviously not the case, not when half of the people being shot by police are unarmed, or shot in the back. If a baddie shot a cop in the back, it would be called an ambush, a cold blooded murder. If a cop does it, he’s a hero doing his job? What is with the double standard?

This change is long overdue, and has been predicted by myself, and many others for a long time. Before I came here, long before, I warned that if the Police did not address the issues, the issues would be addressed for them. Those issues included misconduct, and questionable shootings that were called “good” when the suspect was unarmed.

Those outrage people, and they should outrage people. This is the first in a series of steps that will be taken elsewhere soon enough. The cops can embrace a little change, or have a lot shoved down their throats.

 

[Anathema]

I don’t understand the hysteria. Perhaps you all can help me. Instead of the old standard, Reasonable, it is now changed to Necessary. What it does is change the standards. No longer can the cop whip out the get out of jail free card. I was a feared for my life. That excuse has justified shootings that were outrageous.

What this does is force LEOs to hesitate before doing what needs to be done, and give the CRIMINAL an advantage in a life or death situation.

I will always side with the LEO over the criminal, no matter what.

 

[SavannahMann]

I don’t understand the hysteria. Perhaps you all can help me. Instead of the old standard, Reasonable, it is now changed to Necessary. What it does is change the standards. No longer can the cop whip out the get out of jail free card. I was a feared for my life. That excuse has justified shootings that were outrageous.

What this does is force LEOs to hesitate before doing what needs to be done, and give the CRIMINAL an advantage in a life or death situation.

I will always side with the LEO over the criminal, no matter what.

John Roberts said something I agreed with. When asked if he would side with the big guy, or the little guy, Roberts said. I know we all want to side with the little guy, but my guide is the Constitution. If the Constitution says the Little guy is right, then I’ll side with him. If the Constitution says that the Big guy is right, then I will side with him.”

I side with who I think is right. If the cop is right, I say so. If the cop is wrong, I say so as well. Nobody is ever automatically right, and that is the problem with I was afeared for my life as an excuse. You have to prove that the cop had no reason to be afraid, and that is damned hard. You basically have to prove he lied about what happened, as in South Carolina, or any of the other events that the cops lied and got caught. Even then the penalties are never severe for the cops, not like the rest of us.

And that brings us to the real problem. Responsibility, and authority. Granting the cops the authority, without holding them responsible to an equal degree breeds the problems we have now, and that is unsustainable.

 

[Anathema]

...And that brings us to the real problem. Responsibility, and authority. Granting the cops the authority, without holding them responsible to an equal degree breeds the problems we have now, and that is unsustainable.

Criminals are sub-human flotsam and jetsam. They deserve nothing more than a quick, brutal death.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

The law is trying to say that the police can not shoot unless necessary and you are condemning that law.

Hence, my statement.

And I said I don't believe in shooting people when it's unnecessary and you called me a liar.
Hence, my statement you are full of crap! And you are.

The law can be for all the good things it wants. It's a bad law that places cops in a bind and it's already illegal to shoot a suspect without ample justification.

If a cop now fears he or she is, or a bystander, is in danger of losing their life, the state of California is now standing on the side of the criminal, in essence, by making an instantaneous split second decision that much more difficult.

Anyone looking for a career in law enforcement should think twice about California.

 

[pknopp]

The law is trying to say that the police can not shoot unless necessary and you are condemning that law.

Hence, my statement.

And I said I don't believe in shooting people when it's unnecessary and you called me a liar.
Hence, my statement you are full of crap! And you are.

I posted an example (I can do 20) where the person did not have to be shot. There was no reason to shoot him. You made excuses.

The law can be for all the good things it wants. It's a bad law that places cops in a bind and it's already illegal to shoot a suspect without ample justification.

If a cop now fears he or she is, or a bystander, is in danger of losing their life, the state of California is now standing on the side of the criminal, in essence, by making an instantaneous split second decision that much more difficult.

Anyone looking for a career in law enforcement should think twice about California.

I "feared for my life" is not ample justification when the person dead was unarmed and you are.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

California's future

 

[pknopp]

I don’t understand the hysteria. Perhaps you all can help me. Instead of the old standard, Reasonable, it is now changed to Necessary. What it does is change the standards. No longer can the cop whip out the get out of jail free card. I was a feared for my life. That excuse has justified shootings that were outrageous.

What this does is force LEOs to hesitate before doing what needs to be done, and give the CRIMINAL an advantage in a life or death situation.

I will always side with the LEO over the criminal, no matter what.

In the example I posted the person killed was not a "criminal". It was a mentally ill man who had pushed the cop.

You do not shoot him and his parents over that.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

I posted an example (I can do 20) where the person did not have to be shot. There was no reason to shoot him. You made excuses.

Look, I don't want to insult you but this is yet another time when you accuse me of something unfairly.
If a cop shoots someone he didn't have to then that is plainly wrong. I don't know how much more plain I can be.

I "feared for my life" is not ample justification when the person dead was unarmed and you are.

I agree. So what? Don't expect any more response from me on further posts by you in a similar vein. This is idiotic. You are being idiotic.

 

[pknopp]

I posted an example (I can do 20) where the person did not have to be shot. There was no reason to shoot him. You made excuses.

Look, I don't want to insult you ........

No need to. I confused anothers statement for yours and I apologize.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

No need to. I confused anothers statement for yours and I apologize.

No problems.

 

[Anathema]

In the example I posted the person killed was not a "criminal". It was a mentally ill man who had pushed the cop.

You do not shoot him and his parents over that.

You may not but I do. Putting your hands on an officer is battery, which makes him a criminal.

If he’s that mentally or emotionally damaged, why did the parents let him out of his crate to begin with?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Reads to me that you are.

Reads to me you think you are a mind reader. Therefore I would suggest you are full of it.
Completely and utterly full of it.

The law is trying to say that the police can not shoot unless necessary and you are condemning that law.

Hence, my statement.

It's always been like that. cop. Right now cops can't shoot unless they have to. What filth like you want is to get more cops killed and let more criminals go free. And that is just what you will get. More crime. Just like you want.

This man did not have to be shot.

Attorney: Man killed at Costco was mentally ill, off meds

Being mentally ill and off meds is not a license to attack others.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I don’t understand the hysteria. Perhaps you all can help me. Instead of the old standard, Reasonable, it is now changed to Necessary. What it does is change the standards. No longer can the cop whip out the get out of jail free card. I was a feared for my life. That excuse has justified shootings that were outrageous.

What this does is force LEOs to hesitate before doing what needs to be done, and give the CRIMINAL an advantage in a life or death situation.

I will always side with the LEO over the criminal, no matter what.

even if the criminal was lying face down on the ground?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

In the example I posted the person killed was not a "criminal". It was a mentally ill man who had pushed the cop.

You do not shoot him and his parents over that.

You may not but I do. Putting your hands on an officer is battery, which makes him a criminal.

If he’s that mentally or emotionally damaged, why did the parents let him out of his crate to begin with?

they let you out of your crate dont they?...

 

[miketx]

The law is trying to say that the police can not shoot unless necessary and you are condemning that law.

Hence, my statement.

And I said I don't believe in shooting people when it's unnecessary and you called me a liar.
Hence, my statement you are full of crap! And you are.

I posted an example (I can do 20) where the person did not have to be shot. There was no reason to shoot him. You made excuses.

The law can be for all the good things it wants. It's a bad law that places cops in a bind and it's already illegal to shoot a suspect without ample justification.

If a cop now fears he or she is, or a bystander, is in danger of losing their life, the state of California is now standing on the side of the criminal, in essence, by making an instantaneous split second decision that much more difficult.

Anyone looking for a career in law enforcement should think twice about California.

I "feared for my life" is not ample justification when the person dead was unarmed and you are.

Total bullshit! Let some scumbag twice your size or physically more able than you attack you and see what happens to you, idiot!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I see that Governor standing over the caskets of a lot of dead Law Enforcement Officers if this truly gets fully implemented.

That's what the democrats are hoping happens.

What might happen is that the police show up later and take a report.

 

[Andylusion]

Well officers, isnt it time to collect your pension (if you can before THAT is done away with by your DemonRATIC legislature in favor of giving it to all the illegal invaders ....I understand the illegals # over 1 million now in Kalipornia with hundreds more dsily) or perhaps put in applications with other state police departments? Give it 5 maybe 10 years and we can VOTE that state out of the Union and let it become it's own Venezuela!

California is changing its standards for when police can kill under a law signed Monday by Gov. Gavin Newsom, as it tries to deter police shootings of young minority men that have roiled the nation.



"We are doing something today that stretches the boundary of possibility and sends a message to people all across this country that they can do more and they can do better to meet this moment," Newsom said as he stood alongside family members of people killed by police.

(Excerpt) Read more at kcra.com ...

What officer in their right mind would now do ANYTHING to protect and serve the public when their every action is subject to THEM being arrested for assault or worse of the BAD GUY.... Remember all you white privileged people in Kalipornia to VOTE DemonRAT and watch you rights to protect yourselves slowly fade into darkness..... A Second Revolution MUST happen or all is lost to the insane left!

My brother in law, came back from Iraq. He was driving a truck hit by an IED, and his buddy in the truck had his arm out the window when the bomb went off, blew his arm off.

My brother carried this guy to safety after the ambush.

When he got to the states he said he wanted to be an officer. Then he saw people chanting they wanted dead cops in new york, riots over an officer defending himself from being attacked in Ferguson, and the laws against police in Chicago.

He said screw that. More people cared about him when he was fighting sand diggers in Iraq, than the people putting their lives in harms way directly for people here in the US.

Said there is no way he'd be a police officer. Let these people kill each other. That's the only way they'll figure out that police are the good guys, is when they stop showing up, and letting them destroy each other.