California empowers police to seize citizens' guns

Little-Acorn

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And so it begins.

California now has a law empowering the government to seize the firearms of people it disapproves of.

It starts with the obvious ones that no one can object to, of course: Felons, non compos mentis... and people under restraining orders.

And the liberals assure us that the govt (that is, liberals) would never, ever seize the guns of anyone else. Why no, of course not.

Until they run across some group of people making plans to build up a truck-fertilizer bomb and park it on the Golden Gate Bridge. Well, of course it will be OK to seize their guns too. I mean, look at them! Maybe they haven't actually been convicted of any crime, but you know and I know it's just a matter of time. So we'll add them to the list.

And then the next.....

This has happened so many times throughout history, it's sad.

Except to liberals who KNOW that they, of course, would never continue such a pattern. So it's OK in their case.

And so it begins.

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Oh, BTW...

A very long time ago, I filed for divorce in California. It was granted, and my son lived with me for the next ten years until he went to college.

But during the proceedings, the judge entered standard restraining orders against myself and my wife, each telling us not to harass, bother, threaten, or commit violence upon the other. Both of us had stated repeatedly that there had never been any violence, threats, or any other such things, from either of us, ever. But the judge simply said these were routine restraining orders, that were always issued in any such divorce, don't worry about them.

At that instant, I became a felon, since I was a gun owner. The so-called "Lautenberg Amendment", a Federal law, stated that no one who is under a restraining order that mentioned domestic violence, could own a gun.

Half a year later, when the divorce became final, the judge routinely rescinded the orders. Seven years after that, the statute of limitations on my "felony" status ran out. Finally I could no longer be arrested or convicted for the felony I had committed by owning a gun while I (and my ex-wife) were under those "routine" restraining orders.

Today's point?

Under the law just signed by Gov. Moonbeam, I could expect armed police or even a SWAT team to break into my house at any time of the day or night to arrest me and confiscate my guns... if the restraining order issued during my divorce, were still active.

Because I would be a felon in possession of a gun I had (previously) legally acquired... exactly the target of this new law.

Remind me again, please, that "Nobody is coming for your guns, you stupid redneck"?

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Jerry Brown OKs funds to seize guns held illegally - Los Angeles Times

Jerry Brown OKs funds to seize guns held illegally

The governor approves $24 million to confiscate weapons from people who can no longer own them due to criminal convictions, restraining orders or mental illness.

May 01, 2013|By Patrick McGreevy, Los Angeles Times

SACRAMENTO — The state will send dozens of new agents into California neighborhoods this summer to confiscate nearly 40,000 handguns and assault rifles from people barred by law from owning firearms, officials said Wednesday.

The plan received the green light Wednesday, when Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation providing $24 million to clear the backlog of weapons known to be in the hands of about 20,000 people who acquired them legally. They were later disqualified because of criminal convictions, restraining orders or serious mental illness.

The bill is the first of more than a dozen gun measures introduced by California lawmakers after the December massacre of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

"This bipartisan bill makes our communities safer by giving law enforcement the resources they need to get guns out of the hands of potentially dangerous individuals," said Evan Westrup, a spokesman for the governor.

California is the only state in the nation to operate a database that cross-references gun owners with those who are subsequently disqualified from owning firearms. But budget cuts have prevented the state Department of Justice from keeping up with the list, which grows by 15 to 20 names every day, officials said.
 
and you have to wonder outside of the maybe "obvious people".....who decides who the not so "obvious"are?......i see more lawsuits for the State.....
 
And so it begins.

California now has a law empowering the government to seize the firearms of people it disapproves of.

Felons

Wife beaters

Stalkers with restraining orders

Fugitives

The seriously mentally ill

Dishonorable discharges....



Explain why any one of these people shouldn't have their 2nd amendment rights taken away.


The only thing that has "begun" is enforcement of the law in a meaningful manner.
 
And so it begins.

California now has a law empowering the government to seize the firearms of people it disapproves of.

Felons

Wife beaters

Stalkers with restraining orders

Fugitives

The seriously mentally ill

Dishonorable discharges....



Explain why any one of these people shouldn't have their 2nd amendment rights taken away.

Who says they won't? It's the rest of them I'm worried about.
 
Jerry Brown OKs funds to seize guns held illegally - Los Angeles Times

Jerry Brown OKs funds to seize guns held illegally

The governor approves $24 million to confiscate weapons from people who can no longer own them due to criminal convictions, restraining orders or mental illness.

May 01, 2013|By Patrick McGreevy, Los Angeles Times

SACRAMENTO — The state will send dozens of new agents into California neighborhoods this summer to confiscate nearly 40,000 handguns and assault rifles from people barred by law from owning firearms, officials said Wednesday.

The plan received the green light Wednesday, when Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation providing $24 million to clear the backlog of weapons known to be in the hands of about 20,000 people who acquired them legally. They were later disqualified because of criminal convictions, restraining orders or serious mental illness.

The bill is the first of more than a dozen gun measures introduced by California lawmakers after the December massacre of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

"This bipartisan bill makes our communities safer by giving law enforcement the resources they need to get guns out of the hands of potentially dangerous individuals," said Evan Westrup, a spokesman for the governor.

California is the only state in the nation to operate a database that cross-references gun owners with those who are subsequently disqualified from owning firearms. But budget cuts have prevented the state Department of Justice from keeping up with the list, which grows by 15 to 20 names every day, officials said.


This is so fucking awesome!!

GO CALIFORNIA --!!
 
and so it begins.

California now has a law empowering the government to seize the firearms of people it disapproves of.

felons

wife beaters

stalkers with restraining orders

fugitives

the seriously mentally ill

dishonorable discharges....



explain why any one of these people shouldn't have their 2nd amendment rights taken away.

who says they won't? It's the rest of them i'm worried about.

the rest of whom???
 
And so it begins.

California now has a law empowering the government to seize the firearms of people it disapproves of.

Felons

Wife beaters

Stalkers with restraining orders

Fugitives

The seriously mentally ill

Dishonorable discharges....



Explain why any one of these people shouldn't have their 2nd amendment rights taken away.


The only thing that has "begun" is enforcement of the law in a meaningful manner.

You are such a mental midget.

Felons, fugitives and convicted wife beaters already can't have a gun.

Stalkers with restraining orders? Why should they have their guns taken, as long as they aren't violating the order, which would make them law-breakers and wouldn't be able to have a gun.

Seriously mentally ill? Defined by whom? The State of California?

Hopefully, you live there.
 
And so it begins.

California now has a law empowering the government to seize the firearms of people it disapproves of.
Felons
Wife beaters
Stalkers with restraining orders
Fugitives
The seriously mentally ill
Dishonorable discharges....

Explain why any one of these people shouldn't have their 2nd amendment rights taken away.
The only thing that has "begun" is enforcement of the law in a meaningful manner.


Didn't even read the OP, did we?

:cuckoo:
 
Until they run across some group of people making plans to build up a truck-fertilizer bomb and park it on the Golden Gate Bridge. Well, of course it will be OK to seize their guns too. I mean, look at them! Maybe they haven't actually been convicted of any crime, but you know and I know it's just a matter of time. So we'll add them to the list.

It is simply astonishing you are defending a terrorist possessing a gun!
 
You need to read the Lautenberg Amendment, dipshit.

You have to be convicted of a crime. Just being under a restraining order does not apply.

527.9. (a) A person subject to a temporary restraining order or
injunction issued pursuant to Section 527.6, 527.8, or 527.85 or
subject to a restraining order issued pursuant to Section 136.2 of
the Penal Code, or Section 15657.03 of the Welfare and Institutions
Code, shall relinquish the firearm pursuant to this section.
(b) Upon the issuance of a protective order against a person
pursuant to subdivision (a), the court shall order that person to
relinquish any firearm in that person's immediate possession or
control, or subject to that person's immediate possession or control,
within 24 hours of being served with the order
, either by
surrendering the firearm to the control of local law enforcement
officials, or by selling the firearm to a licensed gun dealer, as
specified in Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2
(commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2 of Division 6 of Title 4
of Part 6 of the Penal Code. A person ordered to relinquish any
firearm pursuant to this subdivision shall file with the court a
receipt showing the firearm was surrendered to the local law
enforcement agency or sold to a licensed gun dealer within 48 hours
after receiving the order. In the event that it is necessary to
continue the date of any hearing due to a request for a
relinquishment order pursuant to this section, the court shall ensure
that all applicable protective orders described in Section 6218 of
the Family Code remain in effect or bifurcate the issues and grant
the permanent restraining order pending the date of the hearing.
 
You need to read the Lautenberg Amendment, dipshit.

You have to be convicted of a crime. Just being under a restraining order does not apply.

527.9. (a) A person subject to a temporary restraining order or
injunction issued pursuant to Section 527.6, 527.8, or 527.85 or
subject to a restraining order issued pursuant to Section 136.2 of
the Penal Code, or Section 15657.03 of the Welfare and Institutions
Code, shall relinquish the firearm pursuant to this section.
(b) Upon the issuance of a protective order against a person
pursuant to subdivision (a), the court shall order that person to
relinquish any firearm in that person's immediate possession or
control, or subject to that person's immediate possession or control,
within 24 hours of being served with the order
, either by
surrendering the firearm to the control of local law enforcement
officials, or by selling the firearm to a licensed gun dealer, as
specified in Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2
(commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2 of Division 6 of Title 4
of Part 6 of the Penal Code. A person ordered to relinquish any
firearm pursuant to this subdivision shall file with the court a
receipt showing the firearm was surrendered to the local law
enforcement agency or sold to a licensed gun dealer within 48 hours
after receiving the order. In the event that it is necessary to
continue the date of any hearing due to a request for a
relinquishment order pursuant to this section, the court shall ensure
that all applicable protective orders described in Section 6218 of
the Family Code remain in effect or bifurcate the issues and grant
the permanent restraining order pending the date of the hearing.

I stand corrected! :D
 
Under the law just signed by Gov. Moonbeam, I could expect armed police or even a SWAT team to break into my house at any time of the day or night to arrest me and confiscate my guns... if the restraining order issued during my divorce, were still active.

Good.

Can't be too careful.
 
And so it begins.

California now has a law empowering the government to seize the firearms of people it disapproves of.

Felons

Wife beaters

Stalkers with restraining orders

Fugitives

The seriously mentally ill

Dishonorable discharges....



Explain why any one of these people shouldn't have their 2nd amendment rights taken away.


The only thing that has "begun" is enforcement of the law in a meaningful manner.

and the funny thing is my right wing friends for years have been saying enforce the gun laws we already have.
 
You need to read the Lautenberg Amendment, dipshit.

You have to be convicted of a crime. Just being under a restraining order does not apply.

527.9. (a) A person subject to a temporary restraining order or
injunction issued pursuant to Section 527.6, 527.8, or 527.85 or
subject to a restraining order issued pursuant to Section 136.2 of
the Penal Code, or Section 15657.03 of the Welfare and Institutions
Code, shall relinquish the firearm pursuant to this section.
(b) Upon the issuance of a protective order against a person
pursuant to subdivision (a), the court shall order that person to
relinquish any firearm in that person's immediate possession or
control, or subject to that person's immediate possession or control,
within 24 hours of being served with the order
, either by
surrendering the firearm to the control of local law enforcement
officials, or by selling the firearm to a licensed gun dealer, as
specified in Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2
(commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2 of Division 6 of Title 4
of Part 6 of the Penal Code. A person ordered to relinquish any
firearm pursuant to this subdivision shall file with the court a
receipt showing the firearm was surrendered to the local law
enforcement agency or sold to a licensed gun dealer within 48 hours
after receiving the order. In the event that it is necessary to
continue the date of any hearing due to a request for a
relinquishment order pursuant to this section, the court shall ensure
that all applicable protective orders described in Section 6218 of
the Family Code remain in effect or bifurcate the issues and grant
the permanent restraining order pending the date of the hearing.

I stand corrected! :D

The OP is bitching because (hypothetically) if his old restraining order was still in effect, he might lose his precious guns.

He's bitching about a law that no longer applies to him.

I hope they make a mistake and show up anyway.




I say cast a wide net on this one.
 
And so it begins.

California now has a law empowering the government to seize the firearms of people it disapproves of.

Felons

Wife beaters

Stalkers with restraining orders

Fugitives

The seriously mentally ill

Dishonorable discharges....



Explain why any one of these people shouldn't have their 2nd amendment rights taken away.


The only thing that has "begun" is enforcement of the law in a meaningful manner.

Apparently you have little understanding of what could constitute a dishonorable discharge. It could simply be someone who simply refuses to follow orders in a non combat situation -where nobody is put into danger, and that my kooky liberal friend should not justify a person being stripped of their Constitutional Rights.
 
And so it begins.

California now has a law empowering the government to seize the firearms of people it disapproves of.

Felons

Wife beaters

Stalkers with restraining orders

Fugitives

The seriously mentally ill

Dishonorable discharges....



Explain why any one of these people shouldn't have their 2nd amendment rights taken away.


The only thing that has "begun" is enforcement of the law in a meaningful manner.

Apparently you have little understanding of what could constitute a dishonorable discharge. It could simply be someone who simply refuses to follow orders in a non combat situation -where nobody is put into danger, and that my kooky liberal friend should not justify a person being stripped of their Constitutional Rights.

Hazelnut HAS to group everyone together, his lazy mind finds it easier that way.
 

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