By Their Fascist Ways You Know Them

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    Beyond the visual, even a cursory study of these fascist and protofascist regimes reveals the absolutely striking convergence of their modus operandi. This, of course, is not a revelation to the informed political observer, but it is sometimes useful in the interests of perspective to restate obvious facts and in so doing shed needed light on current circumstances.

    For the purpose of this perspective, I will consider the following regimes: Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Franco’s Spain, Salazar’s Portugal, Papadopoulos’s Greece, Pinochet’s Chile, and Suharto’s Indonesia. To be sure, they constitute a mixed bag of national identities, cultures, developmental levels, and history. But they all followed the fascist or protofascist model in obtaining, expanding, and maintaining power. Further, all these regimes have been overthrown, so a more or less complete picture of their basic characteristics and abuses is possible.

    Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity.

    1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

    2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

    3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

    4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

    5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

    6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

    7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

    8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

    9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

    10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

    11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

    12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

    13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

    14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

    Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is America, officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a free press, honest elections, and a well-informed public constantly being put on guard against evils. Historical comparisons like these are just exercises in verbal gymnastics. Maybe, maybe not.
     
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    come on people you should know by now.

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    Sad thing is, he seems to be unaware that fascism is just another form of socialism and is found on the left of the spectrum. even of the points he makes the reflect a majority more on the left than the right:

    which party requires abortion on demand taking away the natural right of life to that child? Which party has objected to the liberation of Iraq and Aghanistan? Which party supported leaving Saddam in power to torture, rape, and murder his people? Which party wants us to hand over our sovereignty to the UN who is responsible for rape and abuse of poor people throughout the global south? Who is the party supporting the appointment of syria and other humans rights violators on comittees to prevent human rights violations? Seriously, it isn't the right perpetuating human rights abuses. its the left.

    Another one more along the lines of the left. Tell me who is anti semetic? its the left for the most part. They are opposed to everything about Israel. Who is the one using the so called "religious right" to blame for the problems in their idealogy. Or Mrs. Clinton's use of a "vast right-wing conspiracy" to divert the American people from her illegal and immoral activities.

    As for terrorists in specific, do you have a better name for those who actively seek to overthrow representative governments through the use of terror and murder? If you haven't noticed we were attacked on September 11 a few years ago. These people don't want peace. They dont want to talk. They want us dead or subjugated to them. Your utter refusal to acknowledge that there is an element in the world trying to destroy us shows how out of touch with reality you are. There is evil in the world. and if you refuse to acknowledge it and confront it, it will win. Evil wins when good men do nothing.

    Again, its the left that is sexist. it is them that you find the men who have no problem using their female interns because they are in positions of power. It is the left that supports the extreme feminist movement which is nothing but sexism.

    However, exactly why is it wrong to acknowledge that men and women are different and that nature has created different roles for each of them? See this is the problem with the left. they never wonder why things have been the way they have been for centuries. they never ask why society has looked at things as wrong. the wrongfully assume that they are smarter and that previous generations were simply stupid. Those who fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

    Again, this refers to the left of this nation more than anything else. they have lost the monopoly they had on the mainstream media. and they cant cope with it. when people can listen to lots of different ideas, people are going to pick the best ones. Course since you are the left you are having a hard time coping with the lack of monopolistic media.

    You do realize that corporations were not protected by Nazi's dont you? They were freakin socialists for crying outloud. Corporations were highly regulated by the government. They didn't protect them at all. The corporations did what they were told or they lost all their property and wealth to the government. The only difference between communist and facist socialism is the fact that in communism the company is owned by the government and in fascism the company is owned by individuals but required to do what the government wants. Why is it so hard for the left to admit that fascism a type of socialism and is hence found on the left?

    I really couldnt care less about labor movements one way or another. But if you look at the unions, the reason they are losing power is because they arent advocating for the poor or so called working class, they are advocating for the union bosses and the political hacks in an attempt to control the people and force socialism on them. No labor party has been suppressed or eliminated in this nation. They are losing power because they advocate positions outside the mainstream.

    Hence, why political correctness is so opposed on the right. The left may attempt to oppose too intellectual and artistic endevours, but the left will try to do so anyway. How many times have the tried to silence intellectuals like Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Horowitz, or Limbaugh? How often do we see the left looking down at real art in favor of piss in a jar? Piss in a jar isn't art. it doesnt take talent to create that. You want to see true art? You cant find it in the post modern movement of the left.

    You really haven't studied crime and punishment in depth have you? Without laws and penalties for violations of those laws, there can be no society and there can be no freedom. Without laws there is no freedom.

    You mean such as the UN scandals going on right now that the Liberal Democrats refuse to acknowledge and support any efforts to reform that organization? Or how about the Clinton scandals? Or the Torch's scandals in New Jersey? What about former governor Davis of California? I think Clinton's are the most telling though. He gets into a scandal then starts firing missles at several different countries to distract the people from his scandals. heck he bombed a chinese embassy and could have nearly started WW4. We had no reason to be there, but the left didnt object. the left didnt protest. Clinton hands out last minute pardons for campaign contributions for his wife. It was during Clinton's administration that the Enron scandal and other corporation scandals occured. it was Clintons administration where we saw nuclear secrets sold to the chinese. compare that with this administration where we have seen absolutely no corruption and youll see which party is the corrupt one.

    And what fraudulent elections have there been other than in the liberal communist nations or nations such as pre-liberation iraq?

    You forgot several points though:

    Nazi Germany was very green. Hitler emphasized their environmental policies very strongly. They, like the left, cared more about environmental issues than human life.

    Also he had often made treaties he had no intention of keeping. that is a trait of the left.
     
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    This disingenuous cut & paste is in direct violation with the rules of the board.

    Rule number 5 states:

    It is also illegal to attempt to make it appear as if you wrote somebody else's work. It is called plagiarism, it is intellectually dishonest, illegal, and can actually cause problems for the owner's of the board.

    Here is the link to this cut & paste job.

    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fourteencharacteristicsfascism03jan04.shtml
     
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    yeula creates the thread but yet doesn't post anything after.

    yeula = drive-by, sad, confused, idiotic, troll-like putz.
     
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    Hey, give him a chance. He's gotta dig around on the internet and find his response.
     
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    Maybe he'll change a word or two this time so the plagiarism isn't so obvious.
     

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