Business Insider misleads its readers on birthright citizenship.

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By bitching and moaning here instead of contacting your elected representatives?

This is a discussion board you flaming hypocritical retard. God help your students.

 

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The very question which is under discussion, you dipshit, is whether the baby born on US soil to an illegal alien mother has a legally appropriate right to citizenship. .....

And according to current immigration law and the current position of the Supreme Court, he has.

 

[Unkotare]

This is a discussion board .....

Very good! And does crying like a little bitch on a discussion board change legal precedent?

 

[BackAgain]

And according to current immigration law and the current position of the Supreme Court, he has.

Yes. And until The case of the Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka Kansas was heard and decided, it was also “the law” that separate but equal was good enough for black kids in schooling.

That’s why cases and controversies spring ups. Wrongs can be righted.

 

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Very good! And does crying like a little bitch on a discussion board change legal precedent?

Does discussing the need for change frighten you? You know, you aren’t the SCOTUS. It won’t be up to you to decide such a case if it is brought before the SCOTUS.

But citizens still have the right to discuss and debate issues they consider mod importance.

And your whining about that free speech won’t change that fact.

So, fuck off. You’re a moron and a hypocrite.

 

[Unkotare]

Yes. And until The case of the Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka Kansas was heard and decided, it was also “the law” that separate but equal was good enough for black kids in schooling.

That’s why cases and controversies spring ups. Wrongs can be righted.

What, if anything, have you EVER done to advance the issue in such a manner?

 

[Unkotare]

Does discussing the need for change frighten you? ...

You've "discussed" it, so to speak. Now, what have you DONE?

 

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What, if anything, have you EVER done to advance the issue in such a manner?

Irrelevant. Most of your commentary is.

Is it your latest idiotic contention that unless I’ve written my congressperson or a couple of Senators, my right to engage in a message board discussion is or should be curtailed?

You’re an absolute retard.

 

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You've "discussed" it, so to speak. Now, what have you DONE?

Again. None of your concern. Quite irrelvant.

 

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[surada]

You keep repeating your conclusion as though it’s a premise. It isn’t.

The very question which is under discussion, you dipshit, is whether the baby born on US soil to an illegal alien mother has a legally appropriate right to citizenship. The acceptance of that ridiculous premise is what’s being challenged.

I can lead you, the jackass, to water but I can’t make you think. That’s up to you. The problem is that you’re simply not up to not.

Call a lawyer and settle this.

 

[johnwk]

And according to current immigration law and the current position of the Supreme Court, he has.

I'm still waiting for you to indicate which case, or cases are you referring to which you allege settled the meaning of "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" as it appears in our Constitution.

JWK

 

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You've "discussed" it, so to speak. Now, what have you DONE?

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[Unkotare]

Exactly the opposite. Somewhere in America TODAY a baby was born to a mother of whatever legal status, and that baby is 100% an American citizen. Do you deny this REALITY?

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[Unkotare]

And reality has still not changed to suit your agenda. Anyone born in the United States is a United States citizen. That’s it, that’s all, whether you like it or not. There are babies being born right at this moment to people of all sorts of immigration status and every single one of them born in the United States is every bit the US citizen that you are. And for exactly the same reason.

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8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth​

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The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a)
a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b)
a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c)
a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d)
a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e)
a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f)
a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g)
a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h)
a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

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[surada]

Yes. And until The case of the Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka Kansas was heard and decided, it was also “the law” that separate but equal was good enough for black kids in schooling.

That’s why cases and controversies spring ups. Wrongs can be righted.

You don't even know how to read case law. Call a lawyer.

 

[johnwk]

johnwk said:
Have you forgotten what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means within the Fourteenth Amendment?

The USSC is well settled about what it means.

What USSC case are you referring to which settled what "....and subject to the jurisdiction thereof . . . " means within the Fourteenth Amendment?

JWK

 

[BackAgain]

You don't even know how to read case law. Call a lawyer.

Sadly for you, I’m the one who does. Tragic that you haven’t figured it all out yet.

Your line is still retarded, by the way.

 

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8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth​

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• Notes

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The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a)
a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b)
a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c)
a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d)
a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e)
a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f)
a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g)
a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h)
a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

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