British Female Jihadist Medic Pictured Holding Severed Head

[ChrisL]

You are one sick fuck with an extremely twisted history of recent events. "Beheading people is not nice, but then invading the countries where this is happening is not nice either?"

Show me a video of a GI beheading some sick fuck! While I am not hesitant to insult others, I am willing to go beyond the pale and say you are an absolute scumball.

Ah, back to simplistic stuff huh?

You think if they behead people and are sick, then the US can only be sick if it beheads people too. I can't do like for like. I can do similar.

BBC News - US soldier kills Afghan civilians in Kandahar

"A US soldier in Afghanistan has killed at least 16 civilians and wounded five after entering their homes in Kandahar province, senior local officials say."

Sick? I'd say so.

"Anti-US sentiment is already high in Afghanistan after US soldiers burnt copies of the Koran last month."

Not the only thing they did to annoy people.

BBC News - Huge Wikileaks release shows US ignored Iraq torture

"Huge Wikileaks release shows US 'ignored Iraq torture'"

"The documents also suggest "hundreds" of civilians were killed at US military checkpoints after the invasion in 2003."

"In another case, US soldiers suspected army officers of cutting off a detainee's fingers and burning him with acid."

Torture photos US soldiers raped sodomized Iraqi prisoners - World Socialist Web Site


"Torture photos: US soldiers raped, sodomized Iraqi prisoners"

Iraq Body Count

"129,881 – 145,664"

This is their estimate, more than likely a very, very conservative estimate. The US's intervention in Iraq and the complete and utter incompetent botch job of "nation building" has got at least, at the very, very minimum, 130,000 people killed. Sick? Well it that isn't sick then what is?

I can provide evidence of the US being sick, you'll put it down to individuals. When ISIS does something you claim it's all of them, not just individuals. Why?

You are aware that the "Iraq body count" counts deaths caused by insurgents as well? Duh!

 

[Theowl32]

Do not try and give that waste of shit any respect.

I'm not the one insulting.

No shit. I am the one insulting.

Oh, and one more thing.

Fuck you.

 

[ChrisL]

Do not try and give that waste of shit any respect.

I'm not the one insulting.

You aren't, but is kind of insulting to Americans in general to blame us for their nuttiness. IF some other country was taking over my country, I would NOT saw off the heads of innocent people that I don't even know! What kind of person does that? A crazy brainwashed person. They are not "patriots." They are killers!

 

[irosie91]

Do not try and give that waste of shit any respect.

I'm not the one insulting.

You aren't, but is kind of insulting to Americans in general to blame us for their nuttiness. IF some other country was taking over my country, I would NOT saw off the heads of innocent people that I don't even know! What kind of person does that? A crazy brainwashed person. They are not "patriots." They are killers!

The WEST made them do it.
the WEST -----from whence
cometh THE WICKED WITCH

 

[ChrisL]

Do not try and give that waste of shit any respect.

I'm not the one insulting.

You aren't, but is kind of insulting to Americans in general to blame us for their nuttiness. IF some other country was taking over my country, I would NOT saw off the heads of innocent people that I don't even know! What kind of person does that? A crazy brainwashed person. They are not "patriots." They are killers!

The WEST made them do it.
the WEST -----from whence
cometh THE WICKED WITCH

I guess that's the United States. The wicked witch. We are SO awful. We want to kill babies and eat puppies.

 

[irosie91]

Do not try and give that waste of shit any respect.

I'm not the one insulting.

You aren't, but is kind of insulting to Americans in general to blame us for their nuttiness. IF some other country was taking over my country, I would NOT saw off the heads of innocent people that I don't even know! What kind of person does that? A crazy brainwashed person. They are not "patriots." They are killers!

The WEST made them do it.
the WEST -----from whence
cometh THE WICKED WITCH

I guess that's the United States. The wicked witch. We are SO awful. We want to kill babies and eat puppies.

I am still waiting for a DEFINITION OF
*****THE WEST******

and if "muslim" means "east"'

way back----in ancient history----when I was
young ---the "west" meant west of Moscow--- THE EVIL USA----but later on I
heard it used by muslims to mean----KAFFIRIN and the ZIONISTCONTROLLEDCIA

when I was very young----it meant
ROY ROGERS and---his chick---
DALE EVANS
~~~~ happy trails~~~~~

 

[ChrisL]

Do not try and give that waste of shit any respect.

I'm not the one insulting.

You aren't, but is kind of insulting to Americans in general to blame us for their nuttiness. IF some other country was taking over my country, I would NOT saw off the heads of innocent people that I don't even know! What kind of person does that? A crazy brainwashed person. They are not "patriots." They are killers!

The WEST made them do it.
the WEST -----from whence
cometh THE WICKED WITCH

I guess that's the United States. The wicked witch. We are SO awful. We want to kill babies and eat puppies.

I am still waiting for a DEFINITION OF
*****THE WEST******

and if "muslim" means "east"'

way back----in ancient history----when I was
young ---the "west" meant west of Moscow--- THE EVIL USA----but later on I
heard it used by muslims to mean----KAFFIRIN and the ZIONISTCONTROLLEDCIA

when I was very young----it meant
ROY ROGERS and---his chick---
DALE EVANS
~~~~ happy trails~~~~~

I don't know why we are referred to as "the west." I guess anyone who is an "infidel" is in the west. Lol!

 

[Politico]

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You couldn't grasp what "Holding Severed Head" meant?

Not for me but I'm sure there are users who have small children around. Just a courtesy, not a big deal

"Come here Billy. Sit on my lap while yer Grandpa serfs USMB".

Never happens.

I showed my sons a website detailing the Rape of Nan King and they weren't upset by the images, just that people could do such a thing.

Kids minds aren't as fragile as some people think they are.

Dont' kid yourself. You should be concerned if they really weren't disturbed by the images.

Thread title should denote graphic content

You couldn't grasp what "Holding Severed Head" meant?

Not for me but I'm sure there are users who have small children around. Just a courtesy, not a big deal

"Come here Billy. Sit on my lap while yer Grandpa serfs USMB".

Never happens.

I showed my sons a website detailing the Rape of Nan King and they weren't upset by the images, just that people could do such a thing.

Kids minds aren't as fragile as some people think they are.

Dont' kid yourself. You should be concerned if they really weren't disturbed by the images.

What images? All I saw was a blur.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And just what do you think qualifies you as being all knowing and understanding of the situation? You are just parroting things that you've heard. These people are born and raised to hate. This goes beyond anything WE have done. They torture and murder their OWN people too.

Nothing, I didn't say I was all knowing. However I use my brain, I use evidence, I use logic to form a picture of what is happening.
Yes, I'm just saying things I've heard, but then again what I've heard might just be from a lot wider sources than from what other people are using. I'm looking at not only Muslims but terrorists in general, why they've done what they've done etc.

Which is why when you say "These people are born and raised to hate." I instantly think from both sides.

Firstly, they're clearly not. People are born and raised to live life, to scrape by like everyone else. Some will be in a situation where hate is clearly there, why? Because of what has been done to them for so long, it's so hard to escape that. We are breeding hatred among these people, and it's getting worse because we're causing more problems.

You're making simple links that don't stand up. You're saying because these people attack each other that they're all bad people. Well we attack each other, look at the murder rate in the USA. Is this proof we're all killers?

And you seem to be saying that torture and murder of others is not so bad, er...... as if Americans don't do this. Situations are different, the Middle East is poorer and less educated, it does lead to more issues with violence, but not, as you're claiming, because they are born to hate, but just because that happens.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I don't know why we are referred to as "the west." I guess anyone who is an "infidel" is in the west. Lol!

Well this is how it can be seen by many Muslims. Also the fact that Muslims are often lumped together, all being seen as bad and evil, and yet when the same is done to your own, people don't like it.

 

[ChrisL]

And just what do you think qualifies you as being all knowing and understanding of the situation? You are just parroting things that you've heard. These people are born and raised to hate. This goes beyond anything WE have done. They torture and murder their OWN people too.

Nothing, I didn't say I was all knowing. However I use my brain, I use evidence, I use logic to form a picture of what is happening.
Yes, I'm just saying things I've heard, but then again what I've heard might just be from a lot wider sources than from what other people are using. I'm looking at not only Muslims but terrorists in general, why they've done what they've done etc.

Which is why when you say "These people are born and raised to hate." I instantly think from both sides.

Firstly, they're clearly not. People are born and raised to live life, to scrape by like everyone else. Some will be in a situation where hate is clearly there, why? Because of what has been done to them for so long, it's so hard to escape that. We are breeding hatred among these people, and it's getting worse because we're causing more problems.

You're making simple links that don't stand up. You're saying because these people attack each other that they're all bad people. Well we attack each other, look at the murder rate in the USA. Is this proof we're all killers?

And you seem to be saying that torture and murder of others is not so bad, er...... as if Americans don't do this. Situations are different, the Middle East is poorer and less educated, it does lead to more issues with violence, but not, as you're claiming, because they are born to hate, but just because that happens.

Ba-ha-ha! That is hilarious! You may want to get checked to make sure you have a brain and logic.

You are ignoring the fact that they kill one another as well and have been doing so since forever.

In the US, we are not separated into warring barbaric primitive tribes. Don't you understand that these people are not much more than cavemen?

 

[ChrisL]

I don't know why we are referred to as "the west." I guess anyone who is an "infidel" is in the west. Lol!

Well this is how it can be seen by many Muslims. Also the fact that Muslims are often lumped together, all being seen as bad and evil, and yet when the same is done to your own, people don't like it.

I think that the Muslim cult IS bad and evil. Yes I do.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Ba-ha-ha! That is hilarious! You may want to get checked to make sure you have a brain and logic.

You are ignoring the fact that they kill one another as well and have been doing so since forever.

In the US, we are not separated into warring barbaric primitive tribes. Don't you understand that these people are not much more than cavemen?

I'm ignoring they kill one another? Clearly I'm not. Unless of course you think you can find the bit where I said this. I wouldn't bother looking if I were you, it isn't there.

If you bothered to actually read what I write, you'd see that I was saying there was a problem with the logic. Saying they kill each other doesn't mean much, seeing as Americans kill each other.

Not separated in to warring barbaric primitive tribes? I guess there aren't killings and things based on whether someone is black, hispanic, white etc in the US then.

They are actually far more than cavemen. I have actually been to the region. I haven't even seen Kabul since Wednesday.
What they are is under educated, not something the US can't say either, though they are often far more under educated in the Middle East.
But then progress often helps, but every time they move towards progress the US intervenes, prefers govts who are pro-US and anti-their own people to those who seek to improve the their own people.

But I'm not defending what's going on, I'm saying the absolute carp that comes out of people's mouths who know absolutely NOTHING about the people, the situation, and yet claim to know everything and won't listen to people who tell them otherwise.

That, you know, is not very civilised.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I think that the Muslim cult IS bad and evil. Yes I do.

Well I'm no fan of Islam. I'm also no fan of Christianity. The Christian cult is bad and evil too.

 

[ChrisL]

I think that the Muslim cult IS bad and evil. Yes I do.

Well I'm no fan of Islam. I'm also no fan of Christianity. The Christian cult is bad and evil too.

Not really. I don't see Christianity causing death and destruction. What I DO see is Christian-based charities, missionary work, volunteering to help the less fortunate. Sorry, but Christianity and the other major religions have grown and changed with the times. This is NOT the case with Islam. It is also MORE than just a religion. It is a complete way of life. It is also very politically oriented. I don't think you understand.

 

[ChrisL]

Ba-ha-ha! That is hilarious! You may want to get checked to make sure you have a brain and logic.

You are ignoring the fact that they kill one another as well and have been doing so since forever.

In the US, we are not separated into warring barbaric primitive tribes. Don't you understand that these people are not much more than cavemen?

I'm ignoring they kill one another? Clearly I'm not. Unless of course you think you can find the bit where I said this. I wouldn't bother looking if I were you, it isn't there.

If you bothered to actually read what I write, you'd see that I was saying there was a problem with the logic. Saying they kill each other doesn't mean much, seeing as Americans kill each other.

Not separated in to warring barbaric primitive tribes? I guess there aren't killings and things based on whether someone is black, hispanic, white etc in the US then.

They are actually far more than cavemen. I have actually been to the region. I haven't even seen Kabul since Wednesday.
What they are is under educated, not something the US can't say either, though they are often far more under educated in the Middle East.
But then progress often helps, but every time they move towards progress the US intervenes, prefers govts who are pro-US and anti-their own people to those who seek to improve the their own people.

But I'm not defending what's going on, I'm saying the absolute carp that comes out of people's mouths who know absolutely NOTHING about the people, the situation, and yet claim to know everything and won't listen to people who tell them otherwise.

That, you know, is not very civilised.

You are comparing apples to oranges and insulting EVERYONE'S intelligence. THIS is why they call you names and cannot have a normal discussion with you.

 

[ChrisL]

I think this blog is very accurate at explaining the disease of Islam and why we want to keep it OUT of our country. It is a really disgusting set of beliefs, incredibly oppressive and horrible.

I’m here to talk about a subject no one wants to discuss – religion. Many people in our post-Christian society (especially journalists) are afraid of it, misinformed about it and ignorant of the most basic theological concepts. And our theologians are often too specialized in their work to be able to discuss religion in its broadest outlines or our Churchmen are often soo concerned with finding common ground that they gloss over and ignore the theology of Islam.

Our greatest Islam critics confine their attack to the non-religious aspects of Islam, either its political side or its judicial side. But when we discuss political Islam or Sharia law alone, we imply that there is a religious Islam that is perfectly fine, that we don’t have to worry about. And we leave the major problems of Islamization – Muslim immigration, mosque building, the proselytizing in our prisons and military and the infiltration of our governmental institutions completely untouched and indeed untouchable.

So I think we need to take a few steps back to examine Islam as a whole and to broadly define the outlines of Islam – what it is and what it isn’t.

One thing we can definitely say about Islam is that is it not solely confined to a belief system. If it is a religion it is not a religion only. Islam is a total system of life and contains within itself a particular social system, judicial system, and political system which includes geo-political aspirations - the conquest and administration of territory.

I often liken Islam to a duck-billed platypus which superficially resembles an otter. Upon closer examination, one finds this animal has a duck-like bill, lays eggs, and has many other characteristics which are not otter-like. So it cannot therefore remain in the biological category containing otters. It is simply too different and has to have its own category. I believe the same thing is true of Islam. It is much too different from the other religions to remain in the religion category, it should be uniquely classified in its own category.

Secondly, I think it is obvious to Christians that Islam is its polar opposite and I believe nihilism lies between Christianity and Islam and that the morality of Islam is inverted.

Let me explain: religion supplies our basic world-view concerning the nature of reality. If we were to plot belief systems on a graph – on one side are religions which view God as good and the universe as a benevolent place – in the middle we have the view that there is no God and the universe is a pitiless and indifferent place, the view of material determinism which is the direction toward which our society is tending. On the other side of the view of God as malevolent and the universe is a vicious and unpredictable place – that God enjoys our suffering. This is where Islam lies.

The reason we can assert that the morality of Islam is inverted is that Islam consistently elevates material over spiritual considerations. That is, it elevates the material obedience to the dictates of the Islamic doctrine above all consideration of Truth or Goodness. Morality, conformity and even legality are all one and the same in Islam. Let me give you an example: The following are the words of the father of a failed female suicide bomber:


“'If I had known what [my daughter] was planning I would have told the Jews. I would have stopped her.”

“In our religion it is forbidden for a girl's body to be uncovered even at home. How could a girl allow her body to be smashed to pieces and then collected up by Jews? This is absolutely forbidden.”


Though this is an extreme circumstance, we see this pattern play out over and over again. Women are treated as if they were property because that is how they are defined by Islam.

For example, if a young girl runs away from home to marry her true love, she has in effect stolen the property that is herself from her family and the family will often try to kill her to negate the theft and to assuage the shame and humiliation suffered by the family for not to being in full control of their daughter’s body as is required by Islam. In this way, Islam is utterly materialistic – control of the body is everything. And the Muslim mind is focused fully on the material world.

I further contend that Islam has become a substitute God for Muslims. Worship is defined as obedience to Islam and Islam represents the entire will of God for all men through all time. God’s will is also every single thing that happens. So even if one disobeys Islam, it is still God’s will that he did so.

If there is no difference between man’s will and God’s will, there is no God to seek. In Islam God is unknowable – he is completely transcendent and his will is all things. Theologically this is the equivalent to saying there is no God.

Furthermore, when a religion becomes completely reduced to a doctrine and only a doctrine, it is no longer a living faith. It is dead. Islam may be complex and it maybe logical, but it is logic in the absence of living truth.

Religion in its broadest sense must be about the pursuit of higher value – of Truth Beauty and Goodness. As we learned in philosophy class, the thinking used to be that these values stand apart from the world and evaluate the world. Truth is the measure of man, man is not the measure of truth. That is the essence of religious thought. And the interesting thing is that when we pursue value, as all true religions encourage, we incorporate those values into our selves – as we pursue goodness, we become good, as we pursue truth we reflect truth in ourselves and we appreciate the beauty of God’s creation more and more – this is commonly called spiritual growth. All religion as we have known it facilitates this process – its goal is to lead men to God and lead them to experience God’s love.

Islam on the other hand, subordinates everything to itself. Islam is the highest value and the spiritual values we just mentioned are thought to be entirely contained within Islam, even to be entirely contained within the Koran. Which is why after a rumor about Korans being flushed down the toilet at Guantanamo was started by Newsweek in May 2005, scores were killed and hundreds injured in rioting all over the Muslim world. Lives were sacrificed over paper and ink. We saw the same pattern play out with the Muhammad cartoons over a supposed religious principle which concerns only the material world.

 

[irosie91]

I think that the Muslim cult IS bad and evil. Yes I do.

Well I'm no fan of Islam. I'm also no fan of Christianity. The Christian cult is bad and evil too.

Not really. I don't see Christianity causing death and destruction. What I DO see is Christian-based charities, missionary work, volunteering to help the less fortunate. Sorry, but Christianity and the other major religions have grown and changed with the times. This is NOT the case with Islam. It is also MORE than just a religion. It is a complete way of life. It is also very politically oriented. I don't think you understand.

There are always EXCEPTIONS that PROVE THE RULE-----and dogs and pigs who will gladly cite them for you

I think this blog is very accurate at explaining the disease of Islam and why we want to keep it OUT of our country. It is a really disgusting set of beliefs, incredibly oppressive and horrible.

I’m here to talk about a subject no one wants to discuss – religion. Many people in our post-Christian society (especially journalists) are afraid of it, misinformed about it and ignorant of the most basic theological concepts. And our theologians are often too specialized in their work to be able to discuss religion in its broadest outlines or our Churchmen are often soo concerned with finding common ground that they gloss over and ignore the theology of Islam.

Our greatest Islam critics confine their attack to the non-religious aspects of Islam, either its political side or its judicial side. But when we discuss political Islam or Sharia law alone, we imply that there is a religious Islam that is perfectly fine, that we don’t have to worry about. And we leave the major problems of Islamization – Muslim immigration, mosque building, the proselytizing in our prisons and military and the infiltration of our governmental institutions completely untouched and indeed untouchable.

So I think we need to take a few steps back to examine Islam as a whole and to broadly define the outlines of Islam – what it is and what it isn’t.

One thing we can definitely say about Islam is that is it not solely confined to a belief system. If it is a religion it is not a religion only. Islam is a total system of life and contains within itself a particular social system, judicial system, and political system which includes geo-political aspirations - the conquest and administration of territory.

I often liken Islam to a duck-billed platypus which superficially resembles an otter. Upon closer examination, one finds this animal has a duck-like bill, lays eggs, and has many other characteristics which are not otter-like. So it cannot therefore remain in the biological category containing otters. It is simply too different and has to have its own category. I believe the same thing is true of Islam. It is much too different from the other religions to remain in the religion category, it should be uniquely classified in its own category.

Secondly, I think it is obvious to Christians that Islam is its polar opposite and I believe nihilism lies between Christianity and Islam and that the morality of Islam is inverted.

Let me explain: religion supplies our basic world-view concerning the nature of reality. If we were to plot belief systems on a graph – on one side are religions which view God as good and the universe as a benevolent place – in the middle we have the view that there is no God and the universe is a pitiless and indifferent place, the view of material determinism which is the direction toward which our society is tending. On the other side of the view of God as malevolent and the universe is a vicious and unpredictable place – that God enjoys our suffering. This is where Islam lies.

The reason we can assert that the morality of Islam is inverted is that Islam consistently elevates material over spiritual considerations. That is, it elevates the material obedience to the dictates of the Islamic doctrine above all consideration of Truth or Goodness. Morality, conformity and even legality are all one and the same in Islam. Let me give you an example: The following are the words of the father of a failed female suicide bomber:


“'If I had known what [my daughter] was planning I would have told the Jews. I would have stopped her.”

“In our religion it is forbidden for a girl's body to be uncovered even at home. How could a girl allow her body to be smashed to pieces and then collected up by Jews? This is absolutely forbidden.”


Though this is an extreme circumstance, we see this pattern play out over and over again. Women are treated as if they were property because that is how they are defined by Islam.

For example, if a young girl runs away from home to marry her true love, she has in effect stolen the property that is herself from her family and the family will often try to kill her to negate the theft and to assuage the shame and humiliation suffered by the family for not to being in full control of their daughter’s body as is required by Islam. In this way, Islam is utterly materialistic – control of the body is everything. And the Muslim mind is focused fully on the material world.

I further contend that Islam has become a substitute God for Muslims. Worship is defined as obedience to Islam and Islam represents the entire will of God for all men through all time. God’s will is also every single thing that happens. So even if one disobeys Islam, it is still God’s will that he did so.

If there is no difference between man’s will and God’s will, there is no God to seek. In Islam God is unknowable – he is completely transcendent and his will is all things. Theologically this is the equivalent to saying there is no God.

Furthermore, when a religion becomes completely reduced to a doctrine and only a doctrine, it is no longer a living faith. It is dead. Islam may be complex and it maybe logical, but it is logic in the absence of living truth.

Religion in its broadest sense must be about the pursuit of higher value – of Truth Beauty and Goodness. As we learned in philosophy class, the thinking used to be that these values stand apart from the world and evaluate the world. Truth is the measure of man, man is not the measure of truth. That is the essence of religious thought. And the interesting thing is that when we pursue value, as all true religions encourage, we incorporate those values into our selves – as we pursue goodness, we become good, as we pursue truth we reflect truth in ourselves and we appreciate the beauty of God’s creation more and more – this is commonly called spiritual growth. All religion as we have known it facilitates this process – its goal is to lead men to God and lead them to experience God’s love.

Islam on the other hand, subordinates everything to itself. Islam is the highest value and the spiritual values we just mentioned are thought to be entirely contained within Islam, even to be entirely contained within the Koran. Which is why after a rumor about Korans being flushed down the toilet at Guantanamo was started by Newsweek in May 2005, scores were killed and hundreds injured in rioting all over the Muslim world. Lives were sacrificed over paper and ink. We saw the same pattern play out with the Muhammad cartoons over a supposed religious principle which concerns only the material world.

chris------good article----I would like to comment on the author's statement that
ISLAM is ---for muslims "the issue"-----one of the oft repeated DECLARATIONS muslim leaders make and and muslims parrot is "DEFEND ISLAM" Little muslim kids learn this phrase something like Christian kids learn "jesus loves me" <<< the central issues of the religion.
"defend islam"-----combined with the oft used
phrase in mosques "ENEMIES OF ISLAM"
BIG GOAL ---FIGHT FOR , KILL FOR ,
DO ALL THINGS POSSIBLE ---ALL FOR
????islam????



the PRIME DIRECTIVE

 

[frigidweirdo]

Not really. I don't see Christianity causing death and destruction. What I DO see is Christian-based charities, missionary work, volunteering to help the less fortunate. Sorry, but Christianity and the other major religions have grown and changed with the times. This is NOT the case with Islam. It is also MORE than just a religion. It is a complete way of life. It is also very politically oriented. I don't think you understand.

Well just because you don't see Christianity causing death and destruction doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

You see Christian people doing helpful things, and don't see Muslim people doing helpful things, probably because you live in a much more Christian world.

It's like say the world is extremely dry because you can't see it raining.

Yes, Christianity has changed, hardly surprising seeing how much they benefited from being complete and utter bastards. Take the Spanish, or the Portuguese, or the English, or the French, with their colonies around the world.
Remember who did slavery.

The western European countries controlled most of the world a few hundred years ago, and they didn't do it in a nice way, and they got extremely rich from this and were able to develop.
Different groups of people reacted in different way. Native Americans all over fought back, but ultimately were destroyed by not having the right weaponry. Now they're not a problem because Christians are so much stronger than them and have even forced a lot of them into Christianity.
Those in the far east were strong enough to kick the west out, the French and Americans in Vietnam, Thailand was never occupied, the Chinese overcame all those western countries, and so on. Also, they didn't have the resources, in general, to make the US or other countries want to meddle too much there.

The Middle East suffered. A lot because of the demise and fall of the Ottoman Empire, which left places like Iraq vulnerable, but they weren't weak enough to be totally dominated, not strong enough to break off the shackles of the west either.

Islam has changed A LOT because of the interference of the west in the region. Most of Islam was heading towards a secular, Turkish style, Islam, until the British entered Afghanistan. And then the ideas of Jihad were re-invented.

I really don't think many in the US understand the impact their warmongering has on the religion, which is essentially a tool for those in power to get what they want. Many Islamic countries or peoples need to fight back against the US, and they do so using Islam because it makes them stronger. It makes it easier to control people too.

I think I understand a lot better than you do.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You are comparing apples to oranges and insulting EVERYONE'S intelligence. THIS is why they call you names and cannot have a normal discussion with you.

Do you not see the irony here?

You're telling me these people are so intelligent they just have to insult me. Surely if people were so intelligent, they wouldn't need to insult in the first place.

You say you can't have a normal discussion with me because I don't agree with you. Why come onto a politics message board expecting everyone to agree with you?
Some people you can learn from, other people don't want to learn, their prejudices are already there.

Which are you?