Brian Terry's Mother To Holder: You're 'A Joke' And A 'Coward'...

Holder and his henchmen killed people. The cretin should be wearing an orange jumpsuit.

I feel sorry for his mother's loss. It's very said to live with loosing a child.

Holder or his henchmen didn't kill anyone.

Perhaps we should look into charging the manufacter, or the gun shops along the border that sell these weapons knowing that they are likely headed across the border.

Did any of the gun-walking scemes work during the Bush administration?

Democrat, Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, indicated that the committee's year-long probe had turned up no indication that Operation Fast and Furious was directed from Justice Department headquarters

"Contrary to repeated claims by some, the Committee has obtained no evidence that Operation Fast and Furious was a politically-motivated operation conceived and directed by high-level Obama Administration political appointees at the Department of Justice,” Cummings wrote. “The documents obtained and interviews conducted by the Committee indicate that it was the latest in a series of reckless and fatally flawed operations run by ATF’s Phoenix Field Division during both the previous and current administrations.”

Cummings also complained that Republicansdid not seek testimony from some who had a hand in the Bush-era operations, such as former Attorney General Michael Mukasey. In addition, Cummings noted that Issa has declined to hold a public hearing with Ken Melson, the acting head of ATF from 2007 until he was reassigned in August amidst the Fast and Furious flap.

Among the minority report's findings:

--During Operation Wide Receiver in 2006 two Assistant U.S. Attorneys sent then-U.S. Attorney Paul Charlton a memo about "the possibility of allowing an indeterminate number of illegal weapons...provivded to the criminals with ATF's knowledge and participation, to be released into the community, and possibly into Mexico, without any further ability by the U.S. Government to control their movement or further use." The memo said ATF's legal counsel cited "moral objections" in opposing the tactic. The report says the planned operation appears to have gone forward with "hundreds of firearms purchases" taking place without arrests.

Oversight Democrats stress gunwalking's history - POLITICO.com

Yeah well, you are a Democrat. But you should be ashamed of yourself for defending that murderous P.O.S Holder. You're just defending the indefensible. And all because he has a 'D' by his name. Try putting the 'Party before Country' shite aside for a bit and think about your position a bit more.

Simply not true Lib-o-Pauli. You and the Republican's faithful want to make it a political issue simply because they are democrats while ignoring the fact that very same type operation occurred under Bush.

You calling him a murderer doesn't make it so.

I've told you many time what US policy is the true culprit in this matter so your accusation are again baseless.
 
I feel sorry for his mother's loss. It's very said to live with loosing a child.

Holder or his henchmen didn't kill anyone.

Perhaps we should look into charging the manufacter, or the gun shops along the border that sell these weapons knowing that they are likely headed across the border.

Did any of the gun-walking scemes work during the Bush administration?

Democrat, Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, indicated that the committee's year-long probe had turned up no indication that Operation Fast and Furious was directed from Justice Department headquarters

"Contrary to repeated claims by some, the Committee has obtained no evidence that Operation Fast and Furious was a politically-motivated operation conceived and directed by high-level Obama Administration political appointees at the Department of Justice,” Cummings wrote. “The documents obtained and interviews conducted by the Committee indicate that it was the latest in a series of reckless and fatally flawed operations run by ATF’s Phoenix Field Division during both the previous and current administrations.”

Cummings also complained that Republicansdid not seek testimony from some who had a hand in the Bush-era operations, such as former Attorney General Michael Mukasey. In addition, Cummings noted that Issa has declined to hold a public hearing with Ken Melson, the acting head of ATF from 2007 until he was reassigned in August amidst the Fast and Furious flap.

Among the minority report's findings:

--During Operation Wide Receiver in 2006 two Assistant U.S. Attorneys sent then-U.S. Attorney Paul Charlton a memo about "the possibility of allowing an indeterminate number of illegal weapons...provivded to the criminals with ATF's knowledge and participation, to be released into the community, and possibly into Mexico, without any further ability by the U.S. Government to control their movement or further use." The memo said ATF's legal counsel cited "moral objections" in opposing the tactic. The report says the planned operation appears to have gone forward with "hundreds of firearms purchases" taking place without arrests.

Oversight Democrats stress gunwalking's history - POLITICO.com

Yeah well, you are a Democrat. But you should be ashamed of yourself for defending that murderous P.O.S Holder. You're just defending the indefensible. And all because he has a 'D' by his name. Try putting the 'Party before Country' shite aside for a bit and think about your position a bit more.

Simply not true Lib-o-Pauli. You and the Republican's faithful want to make it a political issue simply because they are democrats while ignoring the fact that very same type operation occurred under Bush.

You calling him a murderer doesn't make it so.

I've told you many time what US policy is the true culprit in this matter so your accusation are again baseless.

No, you're just spinning & deflecting. He has a 'D' by his name, therefore you're willing to let him skate. You're just trying to convince yourself otherwise. If he had an 'R' by his name, i'm pretty sure your position would be quite different. Like i said, try putting 'Party before Country' aside for a bit. What Holder and his henchmen did was heinous. And there will be justice.
 
You know...this is a sad tragedy and all....but I cannot help but remember hearing over and over again that "Guns do not kill people, people kill people."

And yet this is all about the guns....and where they came from.

What disgusts me about this, Bodecea is that people who fervently believe in gun control decided to purposely distribute large amounts of guns to drug cartels with the sole purpose of then turning around and calling for stricter gun controls because guns were ending up in the hands of criminals.

It's comparable to someone saying we need a fire station in the north part of town and to prove their point, setting people's houses on fire.

It bothers me that Eric Holder and this Administration didn't seem to care that hundreds of Mexican citizens might be killed or injured because of their actions. They seemed to feel that the end would justify the means. People did indeed kill people in this instance. Eric Holder is responsible for the death of not only that Border Patrol agent but also the Mexican's that have been killed with those weapons he allowed to "walk".

That the rub, the claim that those who "walked" these gun were politically motivated by the desire to empose stricter gun control on the US is unfounded. Holder is no more responsible for the deaths than the dealers, the manufacters, or the people who made it easy to walk guns from the US Dealers into Mexico.

It was a stupid idea under the Bush Administration and it is stupid now.

The dealers sold those weapons at the direct request of the ATF...how pray tell are THEY responsible for the subsequent deaths? And please explain to me how the DOJ expected to trace these weapons in Mexico when they couldn't do so with the cooperation of the Mexican government in Operation Gun Runner? The truth is...they didn't expect to...nor did they care. They fully expected for the weapons to end up in the hands of criminals and that they would then be able to use that as an excuse for stricter gun control laws in the US. You're right...it WAS a stupid idea...an idea so stupid...so shortsighted...that it borders on the criminal.

So I ask again...why is this man, Eric Holder, still our Attorney General?
 
Paul, BlindBoo is always speaking out against the Drug War on here.

Partisan democrats, Obamabots, only complain about the Drug War (or anything gov't does) when a republican is in office.
 
Holder and his henchmen killed people. The cretin should be wearing an orange jumpsuit.

I feel sorry for his mother's loss. It's very said to live with loosing a child.

Holder or his henchmen didn't kill anyone.

Perhaps we should look into charging the manufacter, or the gun shops along the border that sell these weapons knowing that they are likely headed across the border.

Did any of the gun-walking scemes work during the Bush administration?

Democrat, Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, indicated that the committee's year-long probe had turned up no indication that Operation Fast and Furious was directed from Justice Department headquarters

"Contrary to repeated claims by some, the Committee has obtained no evidence that Operation Fast and Furious was a politically-motivated operation conceived and directed by high-level Obama Administration political appointees at the Department of Justice,” Cummings wrote. “The documents obtained and interviews conducted by the Committee indicate that it was the latest in a series of reckless and fatally flawed operations run by ATF’s Phoenix Field Division during both the previous and current administrations.”

Cummings also complained that Republicansdid not seek testimony from some who had a hand in the Bush-era operations, such as former Attorney General Michael Mukasey. In addition, Cummings noted that Issa has declined to hold a public hearing with Ken Melson, the acting head of ATF from 2007 until he was reassigned in August amidst the Fast and Furious flap.

Among the minority report's findings:

--During Operation Wide Receiver in 2006 two Assistant U.S. Attorneys sent then-U.S. Attorney Paul Charlton a memo about "the possibility of allowing an indeterminate number of illegal weapons...provivded to the criminals with ATF's knowledge and participation, to be released into the community, and possibly into Mexico, without any further ability by the U.S. Government to control their movement or further use." The memo said ATF's legal counsel cited "moral objections" in opposing the tactic. The report says the planned operation appears to have gone forward with "hundreds of firearms purchases" taking place without arrests.

Oversight Democrats stress gunwalking's history - POLITICO.com

Yeah well, you are a Democrat. But you should be ashamed of yourself for defending that murderous P.O.S Holder. You're just defending the indefensible. And all because he has a 'D' by his name. Try putting the 'Party before Country' shite aside for a bit and think about your position a bit more.


Murderous? I thought "Guns don't kill People....People kill People." If you are holding Holder responsible, you are saying he was the one who shot Brian Terry. If not, you are a hypocrite.
 
I feel sorry for his mother's loss. It's very said to live with loosing a child.

Holder or his henchmen didn't kill anyone.

Perhaps we should look into charging the manufacter, or the gun shops along the border that sell these weapons knowing that they are likely headed across the border.

Did any of the gun-walking scemes work during the Bush administration?

Democrat, Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, indicated that the committee's year-long probe had turned up no indication that Operation Fast and Furious was directed from Justice Department headquarters

"Contrary to repeated claims by some, the Committee has obtained no evidence that Operation Fast and Furious was a politically-motivated operation conceived and directed by high-level Obama Administration political appointees at the Department of Justice,” Cummings wrote. “The documents obtained and interviews conducted by the Committee indicate that it was the latest in a series of reckless and fatally flawed operations run by ATF’s Phoenix Field Division during both the previous and current administrations.”

Cummings also complained that Republicansdid not seek testimony from some who had a hand in the Bush-era operations, such as former Attorney General Michael Mukasey. In addition, Cummings noted that Issa has declined to hold a public hearing with Ken Melson, the acting head of ATF from 2007 until he was reassigned in August amidst the Fast and Furious flap.

Among the minority report's findings:

--During Operation Wide Receiver in 2006 two Assistant U.S. Attorneys sent then-U.S. Attorney Paul Charlton a memo about "the possibility of allowing an indeterminate number of illegal weapons...provivded to the criminals with ATF's knowledge and participation, to be released into the community, and possibly into Mexico, without any further ability by the U.S. Government to control their movement or further use." The memo said ATF's legal counsel cited "moral objections" in opposing the tactic. The report says the planned operation appears to have gone forward with "hundreds of firearms purchases" taking place without arrests.

Oversight Democrats stress gunwalking's history - POLITICO.com

Yeah well, you are a Democrat. But you should be ashamed of yourself for defending that murderous P.O.S Holder. You're just defending the indefensible. And all because he has a 'D' by his name. Try putting the 'Party before Country' shite aside for a bit and think about your position a bit more.

Simply not true Lib-o-Pauli. You and the Republican's faithful want to make it a political issue simply because they are democrats while ignoring the fact that very same type operation occurred under Bush.

You calling him a murderer doesn't make it so.

I've told you many time what US policy is the true culprit in this matter so your accusation are again baseless.

It's a falsehood to say that Operations Gun Runner and Fast & Furious are the "very same type operation, Boo. Operation Gun Runner sold guns and made a good faith effort to trace them to criminal elements in Mexico with the cooperation of the Mexican government. When it became clear however that they couldn't keep track of the weapons the program was cancelled. So why then would the Holder DOJ start up Fast & Furious, once again selling guns to criminals knowing that they would be transported to Mexico but leaving the Mexican authorities totally in the dark? That was the question the local ATF agents who protested what was happening asked. Those agents knew that Fast & Furious was a politically motivated operartion right from the start. What is the purpose of that if it isn't to bolster the call for stricter gun control laws? Holder and his "minions" felt that the end justified the means. They were OK with some collateral damage taking place as long as it gained them the gun control regulations they were looking for.
 
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Paul, BlindBoo is always speaking out against the Drug War on here.

Partisan democrats, Obamabots, only complain about the Drug War (or anything gov't does) when a republican is in office.

And i have stated repeatedly that i agree the 'War on Drugs' is a terrible disaster. But that doesn't mean Holder and his henchmen will not have to pay for their crimes. Because they will. The 'War on Drugs' debacle will not be used to excuse their crimes. Period, end of story.
 
I feel sorry for his mother's loss. It's very said to live with loosing a child.

Holder or his henchmen didn't kill anyone.

Perhaps we should look into charging the manufacter, or the gun shops along the border that sell these weapons knowing that they are likely headed across the border.

Did any of the gun-walking scemes work during the Bush administration?

Democrat, Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, indicated that the committee's year-long probe had turned up no indication that Operation Fast and Furious was directed from Justice Department headquarters

"Contrary to repeated claims by some, the Committee has obtained no evidence that Operation Fast and Furious was a politically-motivated operation conceived and directed by high-level Obama Administration political appointees at the Department of Justice,” Cummings wrote. “The documents obtained and interviews conducted by the Committee indicate that it was the latest in a series of reckless and fatally flawed operations run by ATF’s Phoenix Field Division during both the previous and current administrations.”

Cummings also complained that Republicansdid not seek testimony from some who had a hand in the Bush-era operations, such as former Attorney General Michael Mukasey. In addition, Cummings noted that Issa has declined to hold a public hearing with Ken Melson, the acting head of ATF from 2007 until he was reassigned in August amidst the Fast and Furious flap.

Among the minority report's findings:

--During Operation Wide Receiver in 2006 two Assistant U.S. Attorneys sent then-U.S. Attorney Paul Charlton a memo about "the possibility of allowing an indeterminate number of illegal weapons...provivded to the criminals with ATF's knowledge and participation, to be released into the community, and possibly into Mexico, without any further ability by the U.S. Government to control their movement or further use." The memo said ATF's legal counsel cited "moral objections" in opposing the tactic. The report says the planned operation appears to have gone forward with "hundreds of firearms purchases" taking place without arrests.

Oversight Democrats stress gunwalking's history - POLITICO.com

Yeah well, you are a Democrat. But you should be ashamed of yourself for defending that murderous P.O.S Holder. You're just defending the indefensible. And all because he has a 'D' by his name. Try putting the 'Party before Country' shite aside for a bit and think about your position a bit more.


Murderous? I thought "Guns don't kill People....People kill People." If you are holding Holder responsible, you are saying he was the one who shot Brian Terry. If not, you are a hypocrite.

Yes we know, murder is just fine with you as long as the murderer has a 'D' by his name. Go figure? You probably worshipped Ted Kennendy too. :cuckoo:
 
Paul, BlindBoo is always speaking out against the Drug War on here.

Partisan democrats, Obamabots, only complain about the Drug War (or anything gov't does) when a republican is in office.

And i have stated repeatedly that i agree the 'War on Drugs' is a terrible disaster. But that doesn't mean Holder and his henchmen will not have to pay for their crimes. Because they will. The 'War on Drugs' debacle will not be used to excuse their crimes. Period, end of story.

I agree, I'm just saying BlindBoo isn't a hyperpartisan or Obamabot. Obamabots are now big fans of the war on drugs since their leader is pulling their strings.
 
Hell, then everyone invovled in the Iran-Contra affair should be jailed. Let's round those killers too.
 
Holder should be indicted, found guilty, impeached, fined and thrown in federal prison... followed by obama.

They both knew about it and everybody knows it. They're guilty as HELL. The only reason either or both of them isn't in prison right now is because of the power they have to obstruct, and there's no one with enough power to force their hand.
 
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Hell, then everyone invovled in the Iran-Contra affair should be jailed. Let's round those killers too.

I believe that ten people were convicted of crimes for Iran-Contra. Get back to me when the first is convicted of a crime for Fast & Furious.
 
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Hell, then everyone invovled in the Iran-Contra affair should be jailed. Let's round those killers too.

I believe that ten people were convicted of crimes for Iran-Contra. Get back to me when the first is convicted of a crime for Fast & Furious.

Eleven persons were convicted, but two convictions were overturned on appeal. Two persons were pardoned before trial and one case was dismissed when the Bush Administration declined to declassify information necessary for trial. On December 24, 1992, President Bush pardoned Caspar W. Weinberger, Duane R. Clarridge, Clair E. George, Elliott Abrams, Alan D. Fiers, Jr., and Robert C. McFarlane.

Completed Trials and Pleas

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/summpros.htm
 
You know...this is a sad tragedy and all....but I cannot help but remember hearing over and over again that "Guns do not kill people, people kill people."

And yet this is all about the guns....and where they came from.

If you're anti-gun rights, that gives you even more reason to want Holder to step down.

I'm not. I am totally for the 2nd Amendment and have many guns myself. But where is the consistancy from the "Guns don't kill people....people kill people" crowd on this one? I cannot help but wonder.

Are you REALLY going to deflect with THIS? REALLY?
 
You know...this is a sad tragedy and all....but I cannot help but remember hearing over and over again that "Guns do not kill people, people kill people."

And yet this is all about the guns....and where they came from.
This is about the scumbag holder. Jail him.
 
You know...this is a sad tragedy and all....but I cannot help but remember hearing over and over again that "Guns do not kill people, people kill people."

And yet this is all about the guns....and where they came from.

If you're anti-gun rights, that gives you even more reason to want Holder to step down.

I'm not. I am totally for the 2nd Amendment and have many guns myself. But where is the consistency from the "Guns don't kill people....people kill people" crowd on this one? I cannot help but wonder.

DOJ let a couple thousand assault rifles walk across the border KNOWING they couldn't track them. When gunshop owners called ATF about suspicious purchasers, ATF told the shop owners to GO AHEAD AND SELL THEM.

DOJ broke the law they were sworn to uphold, and it got Brian Terry killed.
 
Bush did the same thing...what a bunch of brainwashed morons, but I don't blame the poor mother.

No he did not. The single program run under Bush was stopped after they realized that even with the cooperation and help of the Mexican authorities they could not track the weapons once in Mexico. something like 400 weapons were involved as well as the Mexican Government. In Fast and Furious, the SAME people that knew it would not work did it again and this time with out even telling Mexico.

I am way tired of this lie.
 
Bush did the same thing...what a bunch of brainwashed morons, but I don't blame the poor mother.

That's my point EXACTLY! Operation Gunrunner was a total failure, so WHY did the ATF/DOJ try it AGAIN?

Because their AGENDA was getting American guns into the hands of the cartels in order to push for more stringent gun laws.
 

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