Brexit busted.

[Drummond]

It will vary from country to country.
Revealed: thousands of Britons on benefits across EU
The point is that any supposed benefit to the UK is immediately cancelled out.
In fact you would be making the situation worse.Immigrants benefit our economy.
Positive economic impact of UK immigration from the European Union: new evidence

Your link (the Guardian ... why am I not surprised ?) ... quotes a figure of 30,000 currently on benefits. That's 30,000 who haven't paid taxes over years and decades to ever contribute to what we give them ...

So check this out ...

Number of foreign nationals on benefits soars to 400,000

New figures showed there were 407,000 non-UK nationals receiving the hand-outs last year, a rise of more than 118,000 since 2008, with the total bill running to hundreds of millions of pounds a year.

Data from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), released under the Freedom of Information Act, showed a sharp rise in the number of claims by immigrants from eastern European countries.

Just 12,600 were claiming work benefits in 2008 but this increased nearly fourfold to just under 50,000 last year, when people from Poland and seven other eastern European countries which joined the EU in 2004 gained full access to the benefits system

So you can see that OUR burden of benefit claimants outweighs that of UK residents within the EU ... presumably, the WHOLE of the EU !!!!

I note your link claiming that immigrants have paid more in taxes than they've received in benefits. OK ... if that really is true .. and considering that immigrants, in the main, are unlikely to have had any great period to do so ... the only way this makes sense is to suppose that the number of immigrants we're talking about must be HUGE !!!

Think about it. How can this be incorrect ?

So again, you're effectively arguing against yourself. Maybe that figure of 407,000 can only be explained by literally MILLIONS of immigrants, here, offsetting the burden of claims ?? If you have another explanation, please offer it.

I think I've asked you before ... please answer now. At what point should we stop taking immigrants ... or ... do you think there is no upper limit to that number ??

 

[Phoenall]

The Uk sets its own laws.In fact different parts of the UK have different laws. Its the same all over Europe.
We set our own taxes,just like the rest of Europe.
Our levels of immigration will not change or we will not get a proper trade deal with the EU.
Brexit will hasten the break up of the UK because the Scots will go straight away and the Welsh will go within a decade.
The Celtic nations will join the EU and take all the investment that England would have got.

It cant control its borders
There will be no change on this.
It cant deport criminals
Yes it can.It happens every day.
it cant set its own level of vat
Yes it can. It was changed a couple of years ago and is always under review.
it cant grow certain plants
???????????????? Oh the horror !
it cant set its own laws if they go against the EU
Yes they can. What specific law do you mean ?
WE WILL BE ABLE TO CONTROL OUR BORDERS AS THE EU HAVE MORE TO LOSE THAN WE DO
I doubt it. See previous answer.
WE WILL ONLY INCREASE UNEMPLOYMENT AMONGST IMMIGRANTS AS WE EILL DICTATE WHO WORKS AND NOT THE EU
Classic brexit bullshit. You claim they are only coming for the benefits but er lets put them out of work. Muppet.
ONLY FOR THE EU AND THE WORKSHY WHO WILL LOSE ALL THAT MONEY THEY HAVE NEVER EARNED.
This needs to be translated as it makes no sense.

In your dreams as the EU has already said it is not a foregone conclusion, and that was with Scotland who had something to offer.

Once out of the EU we can close our borders as we fit, while we are in we cant as the rules forbid it
No we are stopped from doing so because of the EHRC that bans the deportation of criminals
Wrong it was changed because the EU said it needed to rise
Well if you want tasteless crap you can have it, I prefer the old British varieties.
Deporting foreign criminals who have made Britain their home
We are not allowed to stop any one from Europe from entering the country and claiming welfare, health care and education. Stop them from coming and the work will go to the British.
But they wont be in Britain so wont be a strain on our welfare.
No it doesn't it is very simple, if you don't pay then why should you get the goods.


Now toddle of and see what price the EU is putting on sheep and water these days, as whiskey and oil are worthless . Your threats don't work as without England you would be drowning in a sea of your own making because you cant make enough money to keep yourselves afloat. Look at the sums and see just what you will get from the EU compared to what you will have to pay out and give up. Like Greece you will be down to selling of your prime land to pay the next months welfare bills.

 

[Phoenall]

Brexit Poll: Leave is falling away

The latest polls show that support for leaving is falling away.

The innate good sense of the British people comes to the rescue.

The outers are all about immigration but the real issue is jobs.

They cannot answer the most basic question.

I don't know why I should care.

Most people dont care. The whole brexit nonsense has been driven by scared old people who yearn for the 50s.

No it is run by people who can see the problems with uncontrolled immigration an multiculturalism. We see the feckless who don't want to work live off the sweat f those who do work, and complain when they are told to pay something back. We see the immigrants flooding the land and leaving trails of filth behind demanding money with threats We see the champagne socialists living the good life demanding we give up more to support those less able than us. We see the mass rapes of children by foreign invaders, the increasing crime rates and the lowering of standards in our hospitals.

That is what we see and don't like it, so getting out of the EU will lead to all this stopping and you having to get a proper Job.

Right on cue.

No evidence to refute my claims them tainted. What price mutton and water when the EU is awash with it.

 

[Phoenall]

What cant the UK do now that it will do out of the EU ?

The UK parliament sets taxes and laws for the UK. Which EU "law" dont you like ?
You wont be able to control your borders if you want to trade with the EU.
You will increase unemployment and reduce investment in technology.
Its a grim prospect.

Answer: run its own affairs, without Europe forever looking over its shoulder to see if they can, or want to, apply a veto over what we decide to do !!

The UK Parliament (which you are no fan of ?) ... does set its own taxes, and yes, it can set its own laws. What you omit to say is that if a UK law is proposed which violates EU law, EU LAW OVERRIDES IT .. so, whatever 'freedom' of that kind we have, it's curtailed by EU authority over us. Basically, this amounts to a 'do as you like, so long as you never actually defy us' mandate.

Your claim that the UK will be unable to control its own borders if trade with the EU continues, is obviously nonsense. Will European companies fight pitched battles with border control officials ? Will they actively smuggle illegal immigrants across the Channel ? Or will they just send people to invade the Houses of Parliament, the moment we try to pass restrictive legislation, to disrupt such proceedings ?

No, that's rubbish. Get shot of the EU, and we immediately regain full legislative and practical control over our borders. If we don't, then the EU tells us that we MUST accept its citizens, unless we can muster a very good reason to reject any of them ... on a case-by-case basis, of course ....

You say we'll increase unemployment. Really ? Well, how about ... UK CITIZENS getting the jobs that the EU lot would otherwise grab ?? Your argument might make a form of sense if one assumes that the EU is the only market out there, the only source of business existing in the world .. but of course, it isn't. Far from it ! We will be expanding our trade and business opportunities, once we're free of EU restrictions .. in the longer term, we are bound to know increased prosperity and an increased influx of business interest from those who'd rather deal with us, not the restrictive bureaucratic nightmare that the EU offers them.

You mention technology. I'm not aware that the EU offers superior technologies and opportunities to, say, Silicon Valley ? Since when were the EU as a whole world leaders in that field ? Everyone knows that America and Japan are better, more innovative sources !!

Back to the 'what EU law don't you like' point ... well, the very fact of EU citizen migrant freedoms is an obvious choice. But also try this, a disturbing aspect of that problem:

UK benefits test 'breaches EU law'

It's an example of a clash between UK and EU laws, with the EU wishing to strenuously challenge us ...

A UK "right to reside" test on EU nationals based in the country is a breach of EU law, the European Commission warned today.

Brussels threatened it will take legal action unless the test - which determines who qualifies for specific social security benefits - is dropped.

A Commission statement said the Government has two months to advise Brussels what it is doing to bring domestic social security rules in line with EU requirements.

"Otherwise, the Commission may decide to refer the UK to the EU's Court of Justice," said a statement.

Conservative MEP Julie Girling slammed the move as an interference by "unelected bureaucrats" in UK domestic policy.

Ms Girling, the Tory spokesman on employment and social affairs in the European Parliament, went on: "British taxpayers will want to know why their hard-earned money should now be directed straight into the pockets of any EU national who chooses to come here and make a claim.

"This can only lead to a boom in benefits tourism. And with our generous system, Britain will be destination of choice."

I'll just ask you outright ... how ON EARTH isn't this a totally unfair imposition on the British taxpayer ... to say nothing of an incentive for EU nationals to come over here and sponge off of us ??

There are more British ex pats claiming benefits in Europe than there are Europeans claiming benefits here. All major studies show that European migrants make a positive contribution to our economy. Where is the problem ?

And while we are at it what will happen to ex pats working in Europe when we decide to kick out all the Europeans ? Do you think that the EU will allow you to do that without retaliation ?

You havent thought this through.

Nor have you as the EU has already said they cant do anything to them. But they can make it so the next person going for that job is an EU citizen.

You do know what the dole pays in Poland don't you, and these British claiming welfare how much is British that they are entitled to. The figures include reciprocal health care and British pensions when you look at the real truth.

 

[Phoenall]

What cant the UK do now that it will do out of the EU ?

The UK parliament sets taxes and laws for the UK. Which EU "law" dont you like ?
You wont be able to control your borders if you want to trade with the EU.
You will increase unemployment and reduce investment in technology.
Its a grim prospect.

Answer: run its own affairs, without Europe forever looking over its shoulder to see if they can, or want to, apply a veto over what we decide to do !!

The UK Parliament (which you are no fan of ?) ... does set its own taxes, and yes, it can set its own laws. What you omit to say is that if a UK law is proposed which violates EU law, EU LAW OVERRIDES IT .. so, whatever 'freedom' of that kind we have, it's curtailed by EU authority over us. Basically, this amounts to a 'do as you like, so long as you never actually defy us' mandate.

Your claim that the UK will be unable to control its own borders if trade with the EU continues, is obviously nonsense. Will European companies fight pitched battles with border control officials ? Will they actively smuggle illegal immigrants across the Channel ? Or will they just send people to invade the Houses of Parliament, the moment we try to pass restrictive legislation, to disrupt such proceedings ?

No, that's rubbish. Get shot of the EU, and we immediately regain full legislative and practical control over our borders. If we don't, then the EU tells us that we MUST accept its citizens, unless we can muster a very good reason to reject any of them ... on a case-by-case basis, of course ....

You say we'll increase unemployment. Really ? Well, how about ... UK CITIZENS getting the jobs that the EU lot would otherwise grab ?? Your argument might make a form of sense if one assumes that the EU is the only market out there, the only source of business existing in the world .. but of course, it isn't. Far from it ! We will be expanding our trade and business opportunities, once we're free of EU restrictions .. in the longer term, we are bound to know increased prosperity and an increased influx of business interest from those who'd rather deal with us, not the restrictive bureaucratic nightmare that the EU offers them.

You mention technology. I'm not aware that the EU offers superior technologies and opportunities to, say, Silicon Valley ? Since when were the EU as a whole world leaders in that field ? Everyone knows that America and Japan are better, more innovative sources !!

Back to the 'what EU law don't you like' point ... well, the very fact of EU citizen migrant freedoms is an obvious choice. But also try this, a disturbing aspect of that problem:

UK benefits test 'breaches EU law'

It's an example of a clash between UK and EU laws, with the EU wishing to strenuously challenge us ...

A UK "right to reside" test on EU nationals based in the country is a breach of EU law, the European Commission warned today.

Brussels threatened it will take legal action unless the test - which determines who qualifies for specific social security benefits - is dropped.

A Commission statement said the Government has two months to advise Brussels what it is doing to bring domestic social security rules in line with EU requirements.

"Otherwise, the Commission may decide to refer the UK to the EU's Court of Justice," said a statement.

Conservative MEP Julie Girling slammed the move as an interference by "unelected bureaucrats" in UK domestic policy.

Ms Girling, the Tory spokesman on employment and social affairs in the European Parliament, went on: "British taxpayers will want to know why their hard-earned money should now be directed straight into the pockets of any EU national who chooses to come here and make a claim.

"This can only lead to a boom in benefits tourism. And with our generous system, Britain will be destination of choice."

I'll just ask you outright ... how ON EARTH isn't this a totally unfair imposition on the British taxpayer ... to say nothing of an incentive for EU nationals to come over here and sponge off of us ??

There are more British ex pats claiming benefits in Europe than there are Europeans claiming benefits here. All major studies show that European migrants make a positive contribution to our economy. Where is the problem ?

And while we are at it what will happen to ex pats working in Europe when we decide to kick out all the Europeans ? Do you think that the EU will allow you to do that without retaliation ?

You havent thought this through.

Do those ex-pats claim benefits as easily, I wonder ? Are those benefits as generous as those offered by the UK ? Somehow, I doubt it ...

Besides ... sweepingly judgemental though this is ... I might ask if two wrongs necessarily make a 'right' .. ?

European migrants may work here (.. those that do). They nonetheless have to be catered for - they need housing, they need any or all of the social services the UK State provides for its indigenous people. Without their being here, none of that would be necessary, and jobs available would go to our OWN people.

Those coming here and relying on benefits are people who've not 'paid into the pot' as the 'locals' have, over years and decades. But, new migrants have their opportunity to take from that 'pot' they've NOT paid into. Is that right ... given that the EU doesn't like our efforts to inject some level of fairness into the process, and challenges those efforts !!!!

As for your 'EU retaliation' point ... yes, please, do expand on that ! What do you think the EU (those people you want us to think kindly of !) would like to threaten us with ?? Give us all the detail you can ......

They are British welfare payments just paid in another nation, on top of this is reciprocal health care and allowances that the UK has to pay for so not really foreign welfare. The Majority of EU nations only pay welfare for 6 months and then they stop. They are at a lower rate than British welfare and so don't allow people to live as they would in the UK. If they were any good then Europe would be awash with workshy Brits like tainted. The Labour party changed welfare rules when they realised that they had opened the doors to those over pension age and the chronically sick and infirm. This meant that instead of having to show 39 years of N.I. payments you could get a full pension and/or welfare straight away. You could claim for children domiciled in another country as well even if they were subject to that nations welfare rules.


What tainted is worried about is being forced to take a low paid job when his welfare is cut off and he will have to stop drinking all night so he will be fit for work the next day.

 

[Phoenall]

It will vary from country to country.
Revealed: thousands of Britons on benefits across EU
The point is that any supposed benefit to the UK is immediately cancelled out.
In fact you would be making the situation worse.Immigrants benefit our economy.
Positive economic impact of UK immigration from the European Union: new evidence

30,000 people from Britain claiming benefits in EU nations is not the same as 2 million E.U. citizens claiming welfare in the UK. Most of these from Eastern former Soviet block states that don't pay welfare. We see the results when they are reported with things like whole towns being built with British welfare money.

No positive impact or you would have invited them to colonise Wales by now.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

 

[Drummond]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

Meaning what ? That staying in the EU will ultimately be such a horrific prospect to endure that the loss of that sum will be chickenfeed by comparison ?

It must be blindness to the truths that have been clearly and comprehensively laid out for you that makes you insist upon remaining loyal to your side of this argument. You've been shown how much the EU is a drag, a drain, on our freedoms to prosper, as well as other freedoms. You've been shown an example of an arrogant EU trying to apply strong-arm tactics to make a NON member bend to its will !!

You simultaneously want Wales to be autonomous from the UK (because you hate the Conservatives), you want to ignore the will of the electorate, all so that - and in the name of 'independence' !! - Wales then ties itself in to EU diktats, subsumed under the weight of its non-democratic bureaucracy.

Your whole support for EU membership defies anyone wanting freedom to run their own affairs. With the best will in the world .. I have no understanding of that position, I'm afraid.

 

[Drummond]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

I've asked you before ... please answer now. At what point should we stop taking immigrants ... or ... do you think there is no upper limit to that number ??

 

[montelatici]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

Meaning what ? That staying in the EU will ultimately be such a horrific prospect to endure that the loss of that sum will be chickenfeed by comparison ?

It must be blindness to the truths that have been clearly and comprehensively laid out for you that makes you insist upon remaining loyal to your side of this argument. You've been shown how much the EU is a drag, a drain, on our freedoms to prosper, as well as other freedoms. You've been shown an example of an arrogant EU trying to apply strong-arm tactics to make a NON member bend to its will !!

You simultaneously want Wales to be autonomous from the UK (because you hate the Conservatives), you want to ignore the will of the electorate, all so that - and in the name of 'independence' !! - Wales then ties itself in to EU diktats, subsumed under the weight of its non-democratic bureaucracy.

Your whole support for EU membership defies anyone wanting freedom to run their own affairs. With the best will in the world .. I have no understanding of that position, I'm afraid.

I think the EU will be better off without the UK. Most Europeans have always wanted a united states of europe. As a kid I remember EU stickers on cars when we lived in Germany, France and Italy when my father was stationed there. This was in the 60s. The EU states that want to integrate can do so without the UK always trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the U.S. Wales and Scotland will be welcomed as EU states if they care to join. Individual European countries would be subsumed in trade negotiations with the other big blocks like the U.S., China, Russia and now even India. Better a strong EU without the UK. England and Northern Ireland if left alone will do fine as a U.S. satellite.

 

[Mindful]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

Meaning what ? That staying in the EU will ultimately be such a horrific prospect to endure that the loss of that sum will be chickenfeed by comparison ?

It must be blindness to the truths that have been clearly and comprehensively laid out for you that makes you insist upon remaining loyal to your side of this argument. You've been shown how much the EU is a drag, a drain, on our freedoms to prosper, as well as other freedoms. You've been shown an example of an arrogant EU trying to apply strong-arm tactics to make a NON member bend to its will !!

You simultaneously want Wales to be autonomous from the UK (because you hate the Conservatives), you want to ignore the will of the electorate, all so that - and in the name of 'independence' !! - Wales then ties itself in to EU diktats, subsumed under the weight of its non-democratic bureaucracy.

Your whole support for EU membership defies anyone wanting freedom to run their own affairs. With the best will in the world .. I have no understanding of that position, I'm afraid.

I think the EU will be better off without the UK. Most Europeans have always wanted a united states of europe. As a kid I remember EU stickers on cars when we lived in Germany, France and Italy when my father was stationed there. This was in the 60s. The EU states that want to integrate can do so without the UK always trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the U.S. Wales and Scotland will be welcomed as EU states if they care to join. Individual European countries would be subsumed in trade negotiations with the other big blocks like the U.S., China, Russia and now even India. Better a strong EU without the UK. England and Northern Ireland if left alone will do fine as a U.S. satellite.

 

[Phoenall]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

And there is no evidence to show that the same families would not lose the same thousands if we stayed in is there. What you don't want is to lose your fantasy subsidies that you think will come your way without realising that this time next year you will be paying dearly for any returns

 

[Phoenall]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

Meaning what ? That staying in the EU will ultimately be such a horrific prospect to endure that the loss of that sum will be chickenfeed by comparison ?

It must be blindness to the truths that have been clearly and comprehensively laid out for you that makes you insist upon remaining loyal to your side of this argument. You've been shown how much the EU is a drag, a drain, on our freedoms to prosper, as well as other freedoms. You've been shown an example of an arrogant EU trying to apply strong-arm tactics to make a NON member bend to its will !!

You simultaneously want Wales to be autonomous from the UK (because you hate the Conservatives), you want to ignore the will of the electorate, all so that - and in the name of 'independence' !! - Wales then ties itself in to EU diktats, subsumed under the weight of its non-democratic bureaucracy.

Your whole support for EU membership defies anyone wanting freedom to run their own affairs. With the best will in the world .. I have no understanding of that position, I'm afraid.

I think the EU will be better off without the UK. Most Europeans have always wanted a united states of europe. As a kid I remember EU stickers on cars when we lived in Germany, France and Italy when my father was stationed there. This was in the 60s. The EU states that want to integrate can do so without the UK always trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the U.S. Wales and Scotland will be welcomed as EU states if they care to join. Individual European countries would be subsumed in trade negotiations with the other big blocks like the U.S., China, Russia and now even India. Better a strong EU without the UK. England and Northern Ireland if left alone will do fine as a U.S. satellite.

He lives in cloud cuckoo land, and has about as much grasp of current affairs as a 6 month old baby

 

[Mindful]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

Meaning what ? That staying in the EU will ultimately be such a horrific prospect to endure that the loss of that sum will be chickenfeed by comparison ?

It must be blindness to the truths that have been clearly and comprehensively laid out for you that makes you insist upon remaining loyal to your side of this argument. You've been shown how much the EU is a drag, a drain, on our freedoms to prosper, as well as other freedoms. You've been shown an example of an arrogant EU trying to apply strong-arm tactics to make a NON member bend to its will !!

You simultaneously want Wales to be autonomous from the UK (because you hate the Conservatives), you want to ignore the will of the electorate, all so that - and in the name of 'independence' !! - Wales then ties itself in to EU diktats, subsumed under the weight of its non-democratic bureaucracy.

Your whole support for EU membership defies anyone wanting freedom to run their own affairs. With the best will in the world .. I have no understanding of that position, I'm afraid.

I think the EU will be better off without the UK. Most Europeans have always wanted a united states of europe. As a kid I remember EU stickers on cars when we lived in Germany, France and Italy when my father was stationed there. This was in the 60s. The EU states that want to integrate can do so without the UK always trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the U.S. Wales and Scotland will be welcomed as EU states if they care to join. Individual European countries would be subsumed in trade negotiations with the other big blocks like the U.S., China, Russia and now even India. Better a strong EU without the UK. England and Northern Ireland if left alone will do fine as a U.S. satellite.

He lives in cloud cuckoo land, and has about as much grasp of current affairs as a 6 month old baby

Living in Europe as part of the American military, does not give one insight into real life there.

EU stickers on cars. lol

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

Meaning what ? That staying in the EU will ultimately be such a horrific prospect to endure that the loss of that sum will be chickenfeed by comparison ?

It must be blindness to the truths that have been clearly and comprehensively laid out for you that makes you insist upon remaining loyal to your side of this argument. You've been shown how much the EU is a drag, a drain, on our freedoms to prosper, as well as other freedoms. You've been shown an example of an arrogant EU trying to apply strong-arm tactics to make a NON member bend to its will !!

You simultaneously want Wales to be autonomous from the UK (because you hate the Conservatives), you want to ignore the will of the electorate, all so that - and in the name of 'independence' !! - Wales then ties itself in to EU diktats, subsumed under the weight of its non-democratic bureaucracy.

Your whole support for EU membership defies anyone wanting freedom to run their own affairs. With the best will in the world .. I have no understanding of that position, I'm afraid.

I think the EU will be better off without the UK. Most Europeans have always wanted a united states of europe. As a kid I remember EU stickers on cars when we lived in Germany, France and Italy when my father was stationed there. This was in the 60s. The EU states that want to integrate can do so without the UK always trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the U.S. Wales and Scotland will be welcomed as EU states if they care to join. Individual European countries would be subsumed in trade negotiations with the other big blocks like the U.S., China, Russia and now even India. Better a strong EU without the UK. England and Northern Ireland if left alone will do fine as a U.S. satellite.

He lives in cloud cuckoo land, and has about as much grasp of current affairs as a 6 month old baby

Living in Europe as part of the American military, does not give one insight into real life there.

EU stickers on cars. lol

Nevertheless his post is spot on.We are stronger together.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

I've asked you before ... please answer now. At what point should we stop taking immigrants ... or ... do you think there is no upper limit to that number ??

There is obviously a number that would not be sustainable but that would be linked to the growth in our economy, or lack of.The economy will act as the driver on this.If the work isnt here then they wont come.

As an example I point to the movement of Irish people who moved to the UK when Ireland was struggling. Many ,many thousands of them. When the Irish economy exploded they all went back and took many Brits with them.

The same will happen over time with people from other countries. As membership of the EU raises their living standards they will have less incentive to work abroad.Then we will struggle to fill vacancies.It ebbs and flows.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

And there is no evidence to show that the same families would not lose the same thousands if we stayed in is there. What you don't want is to lose your fantasy subsidies that you think will come your way without realising that this time next year you will be paying dearly for any returns

Well there is evidence but you choose to ignore it because it doesnt support your fantasy of an all white Britain living large on what we dont spend in the EU.

 

[Drummond]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

Meaning what ? That staying in the EU will ultimately be such a horrific prospect to endure that the loss of that sum will be chickenfeed by comparison ?

It must be blindness to the truths that have been clearly and comprehensively laid out for you that makes you insist upon remaining loyal to your side of this argument. You've been shown how much the EU is a drag, a drain, on our freedoms to prosper, as well as other freedoms. You've been shown an example of an arrogant EU trying to apply strong-arm tactics to make a NON member bend to its will !!

You simultaneously want Wales to be autonomous from the UK (because you hate the Conservatives), you want to ignore the will of the electorate, all so that - and in the name of 'independence' !! - Wales then ties itself in to EU diktats, subsumed under the weight of its non-democratic bureaucracy.

Your whole support for EU membership defies anyone wanting freedom to run their own affairs. With the best will in the world .. I have no understanding of that position, I'm afraid.

I think the EU will be better off without the UK. Most Europeans have always wanted a united states of europe. As a kid I remember EU stickers on cars when we lived in Germany, France and Italy when my father was stationed there. This was in the 60s. The EU states that want to integrate can do so without the UK always trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the U.S. Wales and Scotland will be welcomed as EU states if they care to join. Individual European countries would be subsumed in trade negotiations with the other big blocks like the U.S., China, Russia and now even India. Better a strong EU without the UK. England and Northern Ireland if left alone will do fine as a U.S. satellite.

We should be shot of the EU ... there's no doubt of that. As to whether the EU would be better off without us ... possibly. Though - given what you say, perhaps the UK, in time, would've managed to inject some self-pride into individual Member States .. and would they have been much the better for it ?

But I'd be interested in seeing actual evidence of what you're asserting, namely, that the UK is trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the US ? I'm not aware that we are. Please back up your assertion.

 

[montelatici]

Arron Banks Confirms Families Losing Thousands Of Pounds Is 'Price Worth Paying' For Brexit
Brexit dont care about the effects of their campaign. Its all ideology.

Meaning what ? That staying in the EU will ultimately be such a horrific prospect to endure that the loss of that sum will be chickenfeed by comparison ?

It must be blindness to the truths that have been clearly and comprehensively laid out for you that makes you insist upon remaining loyal to your side of this argument. You've been shown how much the EU is a drag, a drain, on our freedoms to prosper, as well as other freedoms. You've been shown an example of an arrogant EU trying to apply strong-arm tactics to make a NON member bend to its will !!

You simultaneously want Wales to be autonomous from the UK (because you hate the Conservatives), you want to ignore the will of the electorate, all so that - and in the name of 'independence' !! - Wales then ties itself in to EU diktats, subsumed under the weight of its non-democratic bureaucracy.

Your whole support for EU membership defies anyone wanting freedom to run their own affairs. With the best will in the world .. I have no understanding of that position, I'm afraid.

I think the EU will be better off without the UK. Most Europeans have always wanted a united states of europe. As a kid I remember EU stickers on cars when we lived in Germany, France and Italy when my father was stationed there. This was in the 60s. The EU states that want to integrate can do so without the UK always trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the U.S. Wales and Scotland will be welcomed as EU states if they care to join. Individual European countries would be subsumed in trade negotiations with the other big blocks like the U.S., China, Russia and now even India. Better a strong EU without the UK. England and Northern Ireland if left alone will do fine as a U.S. satellite.

He lives in cloud cuckoo land, and has about as much grasp of current affairs as a 6 month old baby

Living in Europe as part of the American military, does not give one insight into real life there.

EU stickers on cars. lol

When your mother and her family are French, it sure does you moron.

 

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Meaning what ? That staying in the EU will ultimately be such a horrific prospect to endure that the loss of that sum will be chickenfeed by comparison ?

It must be blindness to the truths that have been clearly and comprehensively laid out for you that makes you insist upon remaining loyal to your side of this argument. You've been shown how much the EU is a drag, a drain, on our freedoms to prosper, as well as other freedoms. You've been shown an example of an arrogant EU trying to apply strong-arm tactics to make a NON member bend to its will !!

You simultaneously want Wales to be autonomous from the UK (because you hate the Conservatives), you want to ignore the will of the electorate, all so that - and in the name of 'independence' !! - Wales then ties itself in to EU diktats, subsumed under the weight of its non-democratic bureaucracy.

Your whole support for EU membership defies anyone wanting freedom to run their own affairs. With the best will in the world .. I have no understanding of that position, I'm afraid.

I think the EU will be better off without the UK. Most Europeans have always wanted a united states of europe. As a kid I remember EU stickers on cars when we lived in Germany, France and Italy when my father was stationed there. This was in the 60s. The EU states that want to integrate can do so without the UK always trying to limit the EU's power on behalf of the U.S. Wales and Scotland will be welcomed as EU states if they care to join. Individual European countries would be subsumed in trade negotiations with the other big blocks like the U.S., China, Russia and now even India. Better a strong EU without the UK. England and Northern Ireland if left alone will do fine as a U.S. satellite.

He lives in cloud cuckoo land, and has about as much grasp of current affairs as a 6 month old baby

Living in Europe as part of the American military, does not give one insight into real life there.

EU stickers on cars. lol

When your mother and her family are French, it sure does you moron.

So it's personal is it?