Brexit busted.

[Tommy Tainant]

How do you work that out when violent criminals are being given their freedom under the EU human rights laws. Unless you are a coloured gay mass murderer you have no human rights in this country

Actually ... I believe I'm right in saying that 'a right to a family life' is considered a human right the EU courts have considerable respect for. And ... they even apply that to terrorists, fighting extradition proceedings, from which they can expect justice. Have a terrorist argue that his right to family life will be ruined thanks to successful extradition, and EVEN the TERRORIST will receive a judgement in his favour ...

The laws that protect the guilty also protect us. You cant pick and choose who will be protected under the law.
Thats pretty fundamental.

How's this for a self-defeating argument ??

Laws protecting 'the guilty', are surely bad laws, and those who implement them are complicit in the consequences.

The solution is one of reform, to make that phenomenon as unlikely to happen as possible. I'm fully behind that .. aren't you ?

See a terrorist given the chance to settle in the UK because of one such bad law. That individual is a permanent threat to the innocent. Very possibly a deadly one. This, Tommy, CANNOT be acceptable.

The point of laws is to protect people, to serve their interests ... not to facilitate an enhanced chance of harm !!!!

Laws protect all of us not just "the guilty".

I can see that sometimes this is frustrating but it is a necessary state of affairs.

As an example the government got worked up because they couldnt deport a suspected terrorist.

Why ?

Because we dont deport people to countries that practice torture.

I dont believe that anybody could argue against that law.It is a good law that protects all of us and discourages states from using torture.

Of course some bad people will also be protected by this law but thats just the way it has to be.

I wouldnt like to be tortured would you ?

Which should not matter if that person has committed a crime in this country. Far too many know they will get away with their criminal activities under the ECHR rulings, this is why France and Germany have a policy of deportation at point of crime, and then the criminals have to pay for their own appeals. Very few appeals in mainland European nations, but the Labour champagne socialists gave away our rights to do the same thing

What you ignore is that hundreds of thousands of people in this country are being tortured by the very people you are defending and supporting every day. But that is alright in your eyes as they are not being tortured in return, instead they are mollycoddled and lauded as princes and saints.

Oh dear. More doodling from the house idiot.
These laws protect you from the state. Even you.

 

[Drummond]

Press’ hateful 8 stories from Brexit debate - InFacts
Brexit lies exposed.

Ho hum ....

Mission Statement - InFacts

InFacts is a journalistic enterprise making the fact-based case for Britain to remain in the European Union. We are founded by a group of editors who believe it is in our interest to stay in the EU despite its imperfections.

'Yes', well, naturally I'm going to be 'guided' by the wholly unbiased judgements and pronouncements of a wholly BIASED entity ... !!!!

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Press’ hateful 8 stories from Brexit debate - InFacts
Brexit lies exposed.

Ho hum ....

Mission Statement - InFacts

InFacts is a journalistic enterprise making the fact-based case for Britain to remain in the European Union. We are founded by a group of editors who believe it is in our interest to stay in the EU despite its imperfections.

'Yes', well, naturally I'm going to be 'guided' by the wholly unbiased judgements and pronouncements of a wholly BIASED entity ... !!!!

Its important to have a counter to the Brexit lies. They seem to be stepping up the propaganda as their cause sinks.

 

[Drummond]

Actually ... I believe I'm right in saying that 'a right to a family life' is considered a human right the EU courts have considerable respect for. And ... they even apply that to terrorists, fighting extradition proceedings, from which they can expect justice. Have a terrorist argue that his right to family life will be ruined thanks to successful extradition, and EVEN the TERRORIST will receive a judgement in his favour ...

The laws that protect the guilty also protect us. You cant pick and choose who will be protected under the law.
Thats pretty fundamental.

How's this for a self-defeating argument ??

Laws protecting 'the guilty', are surely bad laws, and those who implement them are complicit in the consequences.

The solution is one of reform, to make that phenomenon as unlikely to happen as possible. I'm fully behind that .. aren't you ?

See a terrorist given the chance to settle in the UK because of one such bad law. That individual is a permanent threat to the innocent. Very possibly a deadly one. This, Tommy, CANNOT be acceptable.

The point of laws is to protect people, to serve their interests ... not to facilitate an enhanced chance of harm !!!!

Laws protect all of us not just "the guilty".

I can see that sometimes this is frustrating but it is a necessary state of affairs.

As an example the government got worked up because they couldnt deport a suspected terrorist.

Why ?

Because we dont deport people to countries that practice torture.

I dont believe that anybody could argue against that law.It is a good law that protects all of us and discourages states from using torture.

Of course some bad people will also be protected by this law but thats just the way it has to be.

I wouldnt like to be tortured would you ?

Which should not matter if that person has committed a crime in this country. Far too many know they will get away with their criminal activities under the ECHR rulings, this is why France and Germany have a policy of deportation at point of crime, and then the criminals have to pay for their own appeals. Very few appeals in mainland European nations, but the Labour champagne socialists gave away our rights to do the same thing

What you ignore is that hundreds of thousands of people in this country are being tortured by the very people you are defending and supporting every day. But that is alright in your eyes as they are not being tortured in return, instead they are mollycoddled and lauded as princes and saints.

Oh dear. More doodling from the house idiot.
These laws protect you from the state. Even you.

Any law working in the favour of any terrorist enemy, is one working against the people it's SUPPOSED to be serving !! Unless, of course, lawmakers are in the business of judicial activities specifically designed to aid terrorists .. ??

The sooner we're shot of the EU and its Leftie craziness, the better .....

 

[Drummond]

Press’ hateful 8 stories from Brexit debate - InFacts
Brexit lies exposed.

Ho hum ....

Mission Statement - InFacts

InFacts is a journalistic enterprise making the fact-based case for Britain to remain in the European Union. We are founded by a group of editors who believe it is in our interest to stay in the EU despite its imperfections.

'Yes', well, naturally I'm going to be 'guided' by the wholly unbiased judgements and pronouncements of a wholly BIASED entity ... !!!!

Its important to have a counter to the Brexit lies. They seem to be stepping up the propaganda as their cause sinks.

.... um, but you yourself keep quoting from a propaganda source !! That source is at least open about its agenda ...

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The laws that protect the guilty also protect us. You cant pick and choose who will be protected under the law.
Thats pretty fundamental.

How's this for a self-defeating argument ??

Laws protecting 'the guilty', are surely bad laws, and those who implement them are complicit in the consequences.

The solution is one of reform, to make that phenomenon as unlikely to happen as possible. I'm fully behind that .. aren't you ?

See a terrorist given the chance to settle in the UK because of one such bad law. That individual is a permanent threat to the innocent. Very possibly a deadly one. This, Tommy, CANNOT be acceptable.

The point of laws is to protect people, to serve their interests ... not to facilitate an enhanced chance of harm !!!!

Laws protect all of us not just "the guilty".

I can see that sometimes this is frustrating but it is a necessary state of affairs.

As an example the government got worked up because they couldnt deport a suspected terrorist.

Why ?

Because we dont deport people to countries that practice torture.

I dont believe that anybody could argue against that law.It is a good law that protects all of us and discourages states from using torture.

Of course some bad people will also be protected by this law but thats just the way it has to be.

I wouldnt like to be tortured would you ?

Which should not matter if that person has committed a crime in this country. Far too many know they will get away with their criminal activities under the ECHR rulings, this is why France and Germany have a policy of deportation at point of crime, and then the criminals have to pay for their own appeals. Very few appeals in mainland European nations, but the Labour champagne socialists gave away our rights to do the same thing

What you ignore is that hundreds of thousands of people in this country are being tortured by the very people you are defending and supporting every day. But that is alright in your eyes as they are not being tortured in return, instead they are mollycoddled and lauded as princes and saints.

Oh dear. More doodling from the house idiot.
These laws protect you from the state. Even you.

Any law working in the favour of any terrorist enemy, is one working against the people it's SUPPOSED to be serving !! Unless, of course, lawmakers are in the business of judicial activities specifically designed to aid terrorists .. ??

The sooner we're shot of the EU and its Leftie craziness, the better .....

We are all equal under the law. What bit dont you understand ?

 

[Drummond]

How's this for a self-defeating argument ??

Laws protecting 'the guilty', are surely bad laws, and those who implement them are complicit in the consequences.

The solution is one of reform, to make that phenomenon as unlikely to happen as possible. I'm fully behind that .. aren't you ?

See a terrorist given the chance to settle in the UK because of one such bad law. That individual is a permanent threat to the innocent. Very possibly a deadly one. This, Tommy, CANNOT be acceptable.

The point of laws is to protect people, to serve their interests ... not to facilitate an enhanced chance of harm !!!!

Laws protect all of us not just "the guilty".

I can see that sometimes this is frustrating but it is a necessary state of affairs.

As an example the government got worked up because they couldnt deport a suspected terrorist.

Why ?

Because we dont deport people to countries that practice torture.

I dont believe that anybody could argue against that law.It is a good law that protects all of us and discourages states from using torture.

Of course some bad people will also be protected by this law but thats just the way it has to be.

I wouldnt like to be tortured would you ?

Which should not matter if that person has committed a crime in this country. Far too many know they will get away with their criminal activities under the ECHR rulings, this is why France and Germany have a policy of deportation at point of crime, and then the criminals have to pay for their own appeals. Very few appeals in mainland European nations, but the Labour champagne socialists gave away our rights to do the same thing

What you ignore is that hundreds of thousands of people in this country are being tortured by the very people you are defending and supporting every day. But that is alright in your eyes as they are not being tortured in return, instead they are mollycoddled and lauded as princes and saints.

Oh dear. More doodling from the house idiot.
These laws protect you from the state. Even you.

Any law working in the favour of any terrorist enemy, is one working against the people it's SUPPOSED to be serving !! Unless, of course, lawmakers are in the business of judicial activities specifically designed to aid terrorists .. ??

The sooner we're shot of the EU and its Leftie craziness, the better .....

We are all equal under the law. What bit dont you understand ?

Under EU law, terrorists can be equal to decent citizens.

It's a bit like a man standing on a balcony of one of the Twin Towers, on 11th September 2001, building burning behind him, he knowing that he will have to dive to his death soon if he's not to be roasted alive, being primarily concerned with the 'civil rights' of the terrorist scum who hijacked the jet responsible for his plight !!

EU law is infected with Leftie lunacy, determined to go out of its way to confer human rights to demonstrably subhuman creatures. And to do so in such a way that the rights of the ordinary citizen can be compromised as a consequence.

We need to rid ourselves of this madness.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Laws protect all of us not just "the guilty".

I can see that sometimes this is frustrating but it is a necessary state of affairs.

As an example the government got worked up because they couldnt deport a suspected terrorist.

Why ?

Because we dont deport people to countries that practice torture.

I dont believe that anybody could argue against that law.It is a good law that protects all of us and discourages states from using torture.

Of course some bad people will also be protected by this law but thats just the way it has to be.

I wouldnt like to be tortured would you ?

Which should not matter if that person has committed a crime in this country. Far too many know they will get away with their criminal activities under the ECHR rulings, this is why France and Germany have a policy of deportation at point of crime, and then the criminals have to pay for their own appeals. Very few appeals in mainland European nations, but the Labour champagne socialists gave away our rights to do the same thing

What you ignore is that hundreds of thousands of people in this country are being tortured by the very people you are defending and supporting every day. But that is alright in your eyes as they are not being tortured in return, instead they are mollycoddled and lauded as princes and saints.

Oh dear. More doodling from the house idiot.
These laws protect you from the state. Even you.

Any law working in the favour of any terrorist enemy, is one working against the people it's SUPPOSED to be serving !! Unless, of course, lawmakers are in the business of judicial activities specifically designed to aid terrorists .. ??

The sooner we're shot of the EU and its Leftie craziness, the better .....

We are all equal under the law. What bit dont you understand ?

Under EU law, terrorists can be equal to decent citizens.

It's a bit like a man standing on a balcony of one of the Twin Towers, on 11th September 2001, building burning behind him, he knowing that he will have to dive to his death soon if he's not to be roasted alive, being primarily concerned with the 'civil rights' of the terrorist scum who hijacked the jet responsible for his plight !!

EU law is infected with Leftie lunacy, determined to go out of its way to confer human rights to demonstrably subhuman creatures. And to do so in such a way that the rights of the ordinary citizen can be compromised as a consequence.

We need to rid ourselves of this madness.

So you really dont understand. Or you do and you dont give a toss.

 

[Phoenall]

Actually ... I believe I'm right in saying that 'a right to a family life' is considered a human right the EU courts have considerable respect for. And ... they even apply that to terrorists, fighting extradition proceedings, from which they can expect justice. Have a terrorist argue that his right to family life will be ruined thanks to successful extradition, and EVEN the TERRORIST will receive a judgement in his favour ...

The laws that protect the guilty also protect us. You cant pick and choose who will be protected under the law.
Thats pretty fundamental.

How's this for a self-defeating argument ??

Laws protecting 'the guilty', are surely bad laws, and those who implement them are complicit in the consequences.

The solution is one of reform, to make that phenomenon as unlikely to happen as possible. I'm fully behind that .. aren't you ?

See a terrorist given the chance to settle in the UK because of one such bad law. That individual is a permanent threat to the innocent. Very possibly a deadly one. This, Tommy, CANNOT be acceptable.

The point of laws is to protect people, to serve their interests ... not to facilitate an enhanced chance of harm !!!!

Laws protect all of us not just "the guilty".

I can see that sometimes this is frustrating but it is a necessary state of affairs.

As an example the government got worked up because they couldnt deport a suspected terrorist.

Why ?

Because we dont deport people to countries that practice torture.

I dont believe that anybody could argue against that law.It is a good law that protects all of us and discourages states from using torture.

Of course some bad people will also be protected by this law but thats just the way it has to be.

I wouldnt like to be tortured would you ?

Which should not matter if that person has committed a crime in this country. Far too many know they will get away with their criminal activities under the ECHR rulings, this is why France and Germany have a policy of deportation at point of crime, and then the criminals have to pay for their own appeals. Very few appeals in mainland European nations, but the Labour champagne socialists gave away our rights to do the same thing

What you ignore is that hundreds of thousands of people in this country are being tortured by the very people you are defending and supporting every day. But that is alright in your eyes as they are not being tortured in return, instead they are mollycoddled and lauded as princes and saints.

Oh dear. More doodling from the house idiot.
These laws protect you from the state. Even you.

Not when you have senior politicians threatening on cameras to have the laws altered so that those who oppose the Labour parties views can be arrested without charge and kept in jail for as long as they are in power. Remember that, or how about the parents of the girls raped by muslim men being threatened with arrest, their other children taken into care, losing their jobs, losing their homes and the family being split apart.

 

[Phoenall]

Press’ hateful 8 stories from Brexit debate - InFacts
Brexit lies exposed.

Ho hum ....

Mission Statement - InFacts

InFacts is a journalistic enterprise making the fact-based case for Britain to remain in the European Union. We are founded by a group of editors who believe it is in our interest to stay in the EU despite its imperfections.

'Yes', well, naturally I'm going to be 'guided' by the wholly unbiased judgements and pronouncements of a wholly BIASED entity ... !!!!

Its important to have a counter to the Brexit lies. They seem to be stepping up the propaganda as their cause sinks.

How is it that the looney left always call the truth propaganda, and then deny any knowledge of it at a later date

 

[Phoenall]

How's this for a self-defeating argument ??

Laws protecting 'the guilty', are surely bad laws, and those who implement them are complicit in the consequences.

The solution is one of reform, to make that phenomenon as unlikely to happen as possible. I'm fully behind that .. aren't you ?

See a terrorist given the chance to settle in the UK because of one such bad law. That individual is a permanent threat to the innocent. Very possibly a deadly one. This, Tommy, CANNOT be acceptable.

The point of laws is to protect people, to serve their interests ... not to facilitate an enhanced chance of harm !!!!

Laws protect all of us not just "the guilty".

I can see that sometimes this is frustrating but it is a necessary state of affairs.

As an example the government got worked up because they couldnt deport a suspected terrorist.

Why ?

Because we dont deport people to countries that practice torture.

I dont believe that anybody could argue against that law.It is a good law that protects all of us and discourages states from using torture.

Of course some bad people will also be protected by this law but thats just the way it has to be.

I wouldnt like to be tortured would you ?

Which should not matter if that person has committed a crime in this country. Far too many know they will get away with their criminal activities under the ECHR rulings, this is why France and Germany have a policy of deportation at point of crime, and then the criminals have to pay for their own appeals. Very few appeals in mainland European nations, but the Labour champagne socialists gave away our rights to do the same thing

What you ignore is that hundreds of thousands of people in this country are being tortured by the very people you are defending and supporting every day. But that is alright in your eyes as they are not being tortured in return, instead they are mollycoddled and lauded as princes and saints.

Oh dear. More doodling from the house idiot.
These laws protect you from the state. Even you.

Any law working in the favour of any terrorist enemy, is one working against the people it's SUPPOSED to be serving !! Unless, of course, lawmakers are in the business of judicial activities specifically designed to aid terrorists .. ??

The sooner we're shot of the EU and its Leftie craziness, the better .....

We are all equal under the law. What bit dont you understand ?

Until the neo Marxists get back into power and then it will change to " But some are more equal than others ".

And after hearing neo Marxists say that for 14 years what dont you understand about it

 

[Phoenall]

Which should not matter if that person has committed a crime in this country. Far too many know they will get away with their criminal activities under the ECHR rulings, this is why France and Germany have a policy of deportation at point of crime, and then the criminals have to pay for their own appeals. Very few appeals in mainland European nations, but the Labour champagne socialists gave away our rights to do the same thing

What you ignore is that hundreds of thousands of people in this country are being tortured by the very people you are defending and supporting every day. But that is alright in your eyes as they are not being tortured in return, instead they are mollycoddled and lauded as princes and saints.

Oh dear. More doodling from the house idiot.
These laws protect you from the state. Even you.

Any law working in the favour of any terrorist enemy, is one working against the people it's SUPPOSED to be serving !! Unless, of course, lawmakers are in the business of judicial activities specifically designed to aid terrorists .. ??

The sooner we're shot of the EU and its Leftie craziness, the better .....

We are all equal under the law. What bit dont you understand ?

Under EU law, terrorists can be equal to decent citizens.

It's a bit like a man standing on a balcony of one of the Twin Towers, on 11th September 2001, building burning behind him, he knowing that he will have to dive to his death soon if he's not to be roasted alive, being primarily concerned with the 'civil rights' of the terrorist scum who hijacked the jet responsible for his plight !!

EU law is infected with Leftie lunacy, determined to go out of its way to confer human rights to demonstrably subhuman creatures. And to do so in such a way that the rights of the ordinary citizen can be compromised as a consequence.

We need to rid ourselves of this madness.

So you really dont understand. Or you do and you dont give a toss.

You are the one that refuses to understand the reality as spelt out above. You support the mass murder of innocents and don't realise it yet, when you do it will be far too late

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Oh dear. More doodling from the house idiot.
These laws protect you from the state. Even you.

Any law working in the favour of any terrorist enemy, is one working against the people it's SUPPOSED to be serving !! Unless, of course, lawmakers are in the business of judicial activities specifically designed to aid terrorists .. ??

The sooner we're shot of the EU and its Leftie craziness, the better .....

We are all equal under the law. What bit dont you understand ?

Under EU law, terrorists can be equal to decent citizens.

It's a bit like a man standing on a balcony of one of the Twin Towers, on 11th September 2001, building burning behind him, he knowing that he will have to dive to his death soon if he's not to be roasted alive, being primarily concerned with the 'civil rights' of the terrorist scum who hijacked the jet responsible for his plight !!

EU law is infected with Leftie lunacy, determined to go out of its way to confer human rights to demonstrably subhuman creatures. And to do so in such a way that the rights of the ordinary citizen can be compromised as a consequence.

We need to rid ourselves of this madness.

So you really dont understand. Or you do and you dont give a toss.

You are the one that refuses to understand the reality as spelt out above. You support the mass murder of innocents and don't realise it yet, when you do it will be far too late

Go and have a lie down. You are working yourself up over nothing.

 

[montelatici]

EU is not a sustainable idea and I have said this long time ago. I hope Brits will vote to exit from EU. After Brits, I think French will bail out next. Then, it will be hard for Germans to stay in. After Germans bail out, EU will be useless.

The E.U. will do just fine after the UK leaves, so will the U.K. although Scotland and possibly Wales will leave the U.K. and join the E.U. But that will not be a terrible problem for England. Northern Ireland will unify with the Republic of Ireland sooner or later, based on demographics, and then the transformation will be complete.

 

[HenryBHough]

So you really dont understand. Or you do and you dont give a toss.

One might easily imagine how another, seemingly indoctrinated as a child into terrorist beliefs might find understanding difficult.

 

[Mindful]

The Immigration Gambit

 

[montelatici]

Looks like there will be no Brexit. I thought Brexit would be the best thing for the EU and the UK, but it isn't to be.

EU referendum poll: Pensioners, Tory voters and men are deserting the Brexit campaign

EU referendum poll: Pensioners, Tory voters and men are deserting the Brexit campaign

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Looks like there will be no Brexit. I thought Brexit would be the best thing for the EU and the UK, but it isn't to be.

EU referendum poll: Pensioners, Tory voters and men are deserting the Brexit campaign

EU referendum poll: Pensioners, Tory voters and men are deserting the Brexit campaign

Its too early to call. Brexit havent made any sort of economic case for coming out. Their campaign has been shockingly poor and based on fear of immigration.
The EU needs reform but so does every other major institution.

Jobs and prosperity are the thing. Hatred of foreigners aint.

 

[Phoenall]

Any law working in the favour of any terrorist enemy, is one working against the people it's SUPPOSED to be serving !! Unless, of course, lawmakers are in the business of judicial activities specifically designed to aid terrorists .. ??

The sooner we're shot of the EU and its Leftie craziness, the better .....

We are all equal under the law. What bit dont you understand ?

Under EU law, terrorists can be equal to decent citizens.

It's a bit like a man standing on a balcony of one of the Twin Towers, on 11th September 2001, building burning behind him, he knowing that he will have to dive to his death soon if he's not to be roasted alive, being primarily concerned with the 'civil rights' of the terrorist scum who hijacked the jet responsible for his plight !!

EU law is infected with Leftie lunacy, determined to go out of its way to confer human rights to demonstrably subhuman creatures. And to do so in such a way that the rights of the ordinary citizen can be compromised as a consequence.

We need to rid ourselves of this madness.

So you really dont understand. Or you do and you dont give a toss.

You are the one that refuses to understand the reality as spelt out above. You support the mass murder of innocents and don't realise it yet, when you do it will be far too late

Go and have a lie down. You are working yourself up over nothing.

The old rule 19 from the neo Marxist book of disinformation, if all else fails be condescending and pompous
. But be aware if it backfires you will be left looking the fool and the one in need of help

 

[Tommy Tainant]

We are all equal under the law. What bit dont you understand ?

Under EU law, terrorists can be equal to decent citizens.

It's a bit like a man standing on a balcony of one of the Twin Towers, on 11th September 2001, building burning behind him, he knowing that he will have to dive to his death soon if he's not to be roasted alive, being primarily concerned with the 'civil rights' of the terrorist scum who hijacked the jet responsible for his plight !!

EU law is infected with Leftie lunacy, determined to go out of its way to confer human rights to demonstrably subhuman creatures. And to do so in such a way that the rights of the ordinary citizen can be compromised as a consequence.

We need to rid ourselves of this madness.

So you really dont understand. Or you do and you dont give a toss.

You are the one that refuses to understand the reality as spelt out above. You support the mass murder of innocents and don't realise it yet, when you do it will be far too late

Go and have a lie down. You are working yourself up over nothing.

The old rule 19 from the neo Marxist book of disinformation, if all else fails be condescending and pompous
. But be aware if it backfires you will be left looking the fool and the one in need of help

Get back under your rock you poisonous old fucker.