Breaking confirmed active shooter at Texas Walmart 18 ppl shot

[OldLady]

Must we turn this into a gun control thread? Already?

Yes lets give thoughts and prayers, that is working well.

That's not what I meant.

 

[miketx]

Anti-gunners are already on the job......

so.....

Likely no citizens were armed at the time of the attack.....so they had to wait for police to arrive....

We will see what information comes out....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

Meanwhile countries with strong gun control are not having regular mass shootings.

Yeah, they have bombings and stabbings and trucks running over them, so move to one, cockroach.

And that happens every few years. We have mass shootings regularly....

You are a lair.

Only speak the truth. Has it even been a week since our last mass shooting?

I don't care. As long as democrat SCUM like you refuse to punish violent crime it will never end. And that's fine with you, ya filthy butcher.

 

[OldLady]

Apparently one man in custody

The witness who was on Fox said she only saw one shooter, too. Maybe the reports from people in the store of "multiple" shooters was due to the fog of war, so to speak.

 

[Brain357]

Meanwhile countries with strong gun control are not having regular mass shootings.

Yeah, they have bombings and stabbings and trucks running over them, so move to one, cockroach.

And that happens every few years. We have mass shootings regularly....

You are a lair.

Only speak the truth. Has it even been a week since our last mass shooting?

I don't care. As long as democrat SCUM like you refuse to punish violent crime it will never end. And that's fine with you, ya filthy butcher.

We have the highest incarceration rate in the WORLD!!!!!!!!!

 

[2aguy]

Apparently one man in custody

The witness who was on Fox said she only saw one shooter, too. Maybe the reports from people in the store of "multiple" shooters was due to the fog of war, so to speak.

We won't know anything till later.......and if it isn't a white, Trump supporter, this story will disappear.

 

[ph3iron]

Just seeing this reported.....details are not true or accurate yet....but the anti-gunners have jumped in already....

Police Claim Possible Multiple Shooters in El Paso Shopping Area

Guy--MindWars already has a thread.

Ok, didn't see it...

Surprise surprise.
Rube Mind wars and info wars , terrific non judgemental sites.
Do they believe we landed on the moon yet?.
I think we should have a trillion guns and tanks for everyone.
My uppity nixxer neighbor has been irritating me, think I'll go and shoot his house up

 

[miketx]

Yeah, they have bombings and stabbings and trucks running over them, so move to one, cockroach.

And that happens every few years. We have mass shootings regularly....

You are a lair.

Only speak the truth. Has it even been a week since our last mass shooting?

I don't care. As long as democrat SCUM like you refuse to punish violent crime it will never end. And that's fine with you, ya filthy butcher.

We have the highest incarceration rate in the WORLD!!!!!!!!!

Here we have a perfect example of the cockroach mindset that enables violent crime.

 

[Defiant1]

Anti-gunners are already on the job......

so.....

Likely no citizens were armed at the time of the attack.....so they had to wait for police to arrive....

We will see what information comes out....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

Meanwhile countries with strong gun control are not having regular mass shootings.

Yeah, they have bombings and stabbings and trucks running over them, so move to one, cockroach.

And that happens every few years. We have mass shootings regularly....

You are a lair.

Only speak the truth. Has it even been a week since our last mass shooting?

Well there you go, pass a law with a minimum length of time between mass shootings.

That will work as well as any of the other stupid laws you want.

 

[2aguy]

Meanwhile countries with strong gun control are not having regular mass shootings.

Yeah, they have bombings and stabbings and trucks running over them, so move to one, cockroach.

And that happens every few years. We have mass shootings regularly....

You are a lair.

Only speak the truth. Has it even been a week since our last mass shooting?

Well there you go, pass a law with a minimum length of time between mass shootings.

That will work as well as any of the other stupid laws you want.

I think we should go to the woods a midnight, sprinke pixie dust in a small stream and wish away all violence in the world......that would be as effective as brain and the other anti-gunners with their dumb, useless ideas.

 

[ph3iron]

Apparently one man in custody

The witness who was on Fox said she only saw one shooter, too. Maybe the reports from people in the store of "multiple" shooters was due to the fog of war, so to speak.

We won't know anything till later.......and if it isn't a white, Trump supporter, this story will disappear.

I thought they all were white rube 5 deferment trump supporters, sandy hook, black church, Charlottesville?.
I think us white rubes are way ahead v's Muslims in the killing stakes.
Are rush and knees news commentating?

 

[2aguy]

Apparently one man in custody

The witness who was on Fox said she only saw one shooter, too. Maybe the reports from people in the store of "multiple" shooters was due to the fog of war, so to speak.

We won't know anything till later.......and if it isn't a white, Trump supporter, this story will disappear.

I thought they all were white rube 5 deferment trump supporters, sandy hook, black church, Charlottesville?.
I think us white rubes are way ahead v's Muslims in the killing stakes.
Are rush and knees news commentating?

Muslims kill more people all around the world than all of our mass shooters combined...

2018.... 12 mass shootings, 93 killed....

muslims kill far more.

 

[ph3iron]

Yeah, they have bombings and stabbings and trucks running over them, so move to one, cockroach.

And that happens every few years. We have mass shootings regularly....

You are a lair.

Only speak the truth. Has it even been a week since our last mass shooting?

Well there you go, pass a law with a minimum length of time between mass shootings.

That will work as well as any of the other stupid laws you want.

I think we should go to the woods a midnight, sprinke pixie dust in a small stream and wish away all violence in the world......that would be as effective as brain and the other anti-gunners with their dumb, useless ideas.

Hard to exercise in a violent country founded by white convicts and religious nuts.
Genes are long lasting
When was our last lynching?
About the time of your out of date pic?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Here goes the morons on a GUN GRAB KICK again!!!!!!!!

Find it funny since the Mueller report was a dead and his appearance in front of Congress was a bigger dude that we have had two mass shootings. Do democratics call out to thier people who want to be martyrs for thier causes?

The message in your avatar is hilarious

 

[OldLady]

Interview with another witness. This guy was carrying (concealed carry, legally) and you know what he did? He ran.

blob:https://www.nbcnews.com/a0818a1a-bacc-4888-ac35-1a27b2b7d95b

 

[2aguy]

And that happens every few years. We have mass shootings regularly....

You are a lair.

Only speak the truth. Has it even been a week since our last mass shooting?

Well there you go, pass a law with a minimum length of time between mass shootings.

That will work as well as any of the other stupid laws you want.

I think we should go to the woods a midnight, sprinke pixie dust in a small stream and wish away all violence in the world......that would be as effective as brain and the other anti-gunners with their dumb, useless ideas.

Hard to exercise in a violent country founded by white convicts and religious nuts.
Genes are long lasting
When was our last lynching?
About the time of your out of date pic?

The democrat party was forced to stop lynching blacks in the 1960s....they voted against the anti-lynching bills, but there were enough Republicans to make the democrats stop hanging Black men...

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Psychopath Leftwingers with Guns......AGAIN

 

[Flash]

Illegals shooting Illegals?

There are lots of Americans who are hispanic down there, they are just about all stupid democrats.

I think I have been to that Walmart.

Back a few years ago by son was a Cav Scout with the 1st Armored Division at Ft Bliss.

We went out to see him off on deployment to Iraq. Before coming back we went to that Walmart to get a few items for the drive back to Florida. I remember thinking we were the only White people in the store.

 

[2aguy]

Interview with another witness. This guy was carrying (concealed carry, legally) and you know what he did? He ran.

blob:https://www.nbcnews.com/a0818a1a-bacc-4888-ac35-1a27b2b7d95b

So....he did the smart thing...but had he been faced with a shooter....he very likely could have survived...there appear to be a lot of others who didn't carry, met the shooter and died.....

When armed citizens stand and fight, you attack them....when they run, you attack them....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[2aguy]

Psychopath Leftwingers with Guns......AGAIN

Any word on that yet? Cause if it isn't a MAGA hat wearing, Trump supporter with an AR-15, this story is gone by tonight.

 

[Picaro]

Getting nothing on it here yet.