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he point was, the turtles would be affected with or without payment, yes?
No, the point is - why does someone feel like he has the right to use MY land without giving me anything in return?
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he point was, the turtles would be affected with or without payment, yes?
BREAKING: 200+ "Militarized" Federal Police Surround Peaceful Rancher in NevadaWeve seen before at Ruby Ridge and Waco that the feds wont hesitate to treat peaceful American citizens as hostile and confront them with full armed force. This is happening yet again in Clark County, Nevada.
For over twenty years now, a battle has raged between cattle rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management. Bundy has been using federal land to allow his cattle to graze, and the BLM has argued that this is trespassing because the land is protected and because Bundy has not paid required grazing fees.
Wonder if they will kill him like Clinton killed the people in Waco and Ruby ridge
Oh my goodness! All this for a few tortoise turtles? Seriously?! This comment from him is very telling.......
Bundys feel that this is an assault on liberty, state sovereignty, and property rights;
Weve tried to do this through the legal and weve tried to do it through the political, and what were at right now, I guess were going to have to try to stand, Cliven Bundy said. We the people have to stand on the ground and get our state sovereignty back, and also take some liberty and freedoms back to where we have at least access to this land.
The story is a lot about the cattle, but the bigger story is about our loss of freedom, Carol Bundy added. They have come and taken over this whole corner of the county. Theyve taken over policing power, theyve taken over our freedom, and theyre stealing cattle.
And our sheriff says he just doesnt have authority, our governor says he doesnt have authority, and were saying, why are we a state?
Im a producer, Cliven Bundy said. I produce edible commodity from the desert forage, and all of these things are governed under state law. So, in other words, this type of government has eliminated all of our state law, eliminated our state sovereignty, and has took control over our public lands and even took control over our Clark County sheriff. Theyve taken the whole county over. The whole state, almost.
This is just about power of the government, Carol Bundy said.
I think something is seriously wrong with our govt using military force on a private civilian! Very disturbing story! Incredible that the Governor cannot do anything about this!
he point was, the turtles would be affected with or without payment, yes?
No, the point is - why does someone feel like he has the right to use MY land without giving me anything in return?
BREAKING: 200+ "Militarized" Federal Police Surround Peaceful Rancher in NevadaWeve seen before at Ruby Ridge and Waco that the feds wont hesitate to treat peaceful American citizens as hostile and confront them with full armed force. This is happening yet again in Clark County, Nevada.
For over twenty years now, a battle has raged between cattle rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management. Bundy has been using federal land to allow his cattle to graze, and the BLM has argued that this is trespassing because the land is protected and because Bundy has not paid required grazing fees.
Wonder if they will kill him like Clinton killed the people in Waco and Ruby ridge
he point was, the turtles would be affected with or without payment, yes?
No, the point is - why does someone feel like he has the right to use MY land without giving me anything in return?
CaféAuLait;8908471 said:he point was, the turtles would be affected with or without payment, yes?
No, the point is - why does someone feel like he has the right to use MY land without giving me anything in return?
Its HIS land too, yes?
Funny how people will defend murders and try to re-cast them as victims in an effort to push a political agenda.
Well ..... actually, it's sad.
There was a video of the botched raid, I saw it before it magically disappeared. The dead ATF agents enter through a window on the 2nd floor followed almost immediately by the 4th member still on the roof spraying automatic gun fire into said window.
loosen that tinfoil
BREAKING: 200+ "Militarized" Federal Police Surround Peaceful Rancher in NevadaWeve seen before at Ruby Ridge and Waco that the feds wont hesitate to treat peaceful American citizens as hostile and confront them with full armed force. This is happening yet again in Clark County, Nevada.
For over twenty years now, a battle has raged between cattle rancher Cliven Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management. Bundy has been using federal land to allow his cattle to graze, and the BLM has argued that this is trespassing because the land is protected and because Bundy has not paid required grazing fees.
Wonder if they will kill him like Clinton killed the people in Waco and Ruby ridge
CaféAuLait;8908471 said:he point was, the turtles would be affected with or without payment, yes?
No, the point is - why does someone feel like he has the right to use MY land without giving me anything in return?
Its HIS land too, yes?
CaféAuLait;8908471 said:No, the point is - why does someone feel like he has the right to use MY land without giving me anything in return?
Its HIS land too, yes?
Yes, and his families cattle have been grazing on that land for free for generations.
Then he and his family owe me a lot of money.Yes, and his families cattle have been grazing on that land for free for generations.
CaféAuLait;8908492 said:CaféAuLait;8908471 said:Its HIS land too, yes?
Yes, and his families cattle have been grazing on that land for free for generations.
Indeed.
The only reason the feds took it over was because of the turtles, which would be affected with or without payment.
He also stated he would be more than willing to pay his county and not the feds because he does not believe the feds had any right to stop his cows from grazing because of the turtles.
Then he and his family owe me a lot of money.Yes, and his families cattle have been grazing on that land for free for generations.
CaféAuLait;8908471 said:No, the point is - why does someone feel like he has the right to use MY land without giving me anything in return?
Its HIS land too, yes?
Yup and he's getting something out of it isn't he? What am I getting out of my land?
Then he and his family owe me a lot of money.Yes, and his families cattle have been grazing on that land for free for generations.
They only brought in the fee because of the turtles and it makes no sense whatsoever. If the turtles on in danger then cattle shouldn't be grazing there, it should be dependent on a fee.
CaféAuLait;8908492 said:Yes, and his families cattle have been grazing on that land for free for generations.
Indeed.
The only reason the feds took it over was because of the turtles, which would be affected with or without payment.
He also stated he would be more than willing to pay his county and not the feds because he does not believe the feds had any right to stop his cows from grazing because of the turtles.
If he is willing to pay the county it is not such a big deal to change the payee.
CaféAuLait;8908537 said:CaféAuLait;8908471 said:Its HIS land too, yes?
Yup and he's getting something out of it isn't he? What am I getting out of my land?
Given you can visit Gold Butte for FREE and stay there and walk all over the place, camp in tents "unregulated", I suppose you would get a camping trip or a scenic drive. So that's what you get out of "your" land.
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eah, I agree, I think he is standing by the principal of the thing,
Then he and his family owe me a lot of money.Yes, and his families cattle have been grazing on that land for free for generations.