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John Boehner walked out because Obama changed the deal minutes before it was going to be reached. So quit blaming the right when it was OBAMA who went back on his word.. Oh yeah he always does
The Tea Party can succeed in 16 months by helping elect a president who will not veto necessary reforms. To achieve that, however, Tea Partyers must not help the incumbent achieve his objectives in the debt-ceiling dispute.
So could it be it's not really the offer but who is trying to make it?
Patience, Tea Partyers: Time is on your side - The Washington Post
Obama offered to cut the middle class programs of Social Security and Medicare in exchange for eliminating tax loopholes for oil companies and the rich.....Boehner refused.
The Republicans will defend the oil companies and the wealthy to the DEATH!
You sure you understand how insurance works?
for god sakes....
actually no, I think I do; I know that when I die my life insurance policy I have pays my wife the benefit, outside anything she gets form anywhere else incl. her own SS........so go figure it out....or
That's because it's life insurance. SS is not life insurance. It's retirement insurance. Insurance pays you when you become eligible to collect. If you drop dead before you retire, you're not going to collect retirement insurance. Duh! If your house never burns down, you don't collect fire insurance benefits. If you never go to the doctor you don't get health insurance benefits.
Need I go on?
what a perfect exampled of sheeple thinking, new deal or bust eh? thats how completely owned you are by the sheeple Democratic party new deal crotch rot.well guess what? the bust is here, if ss had been run on a true pool system we would not be contemplating its bust out.
That is an amusingly puzzling comment, since the bill was in fact introduced by REPUBLICAN Dave Camp, chairman of the House Ways and Means committee.
you made comments in past as to the rep.s for example sending the cut cap and trade bill up and knowing it was useless, that the senate would kill it, thats why I posted that.
you appear to forget the positions you take becasue, you change your positions so often to fit your own past comments so as to make yourself right in every context- epic fail.
Are you an asshole by nature or nurture?
Are you an asshole by nature or nurture?
Can't it be both (as it does appear).
for god sakes....
actually no, I think I do; I know that when I die my life insurance policy I have pays my wife the benefit, outside anything she gets form anywhere else incl. her own SS........so go figure it out....or
That's because it's life insurance. SS is not life insurance. It's retirement insurance. Insurance pays you when you become eligible to collect. If you drop dead before you retire, you're not going to collect retirement insurance. Duh! If your house never burns down, you don't collect fire insurance benefits. If you never go to the doctor you don't get health insurance benefits.
Need I go on?
I pay all my lie into a 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?
they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.
I pay all my like into 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?
You love the health-care mandate, how about this, It appears to me that f the gov. had just MANDATED policy to a private carrier say NY Life etc. we would be in infinitely better shape individually and as a country. You DO know that there are financial instruments for instance a whole life ins policy has an IRR, Internal Rate of Return right?
One of my policies has beat the s&p 500 over the last 8 years....so tell me oh wise one, whats the rate or return on SSI? AND it all goes away to the gov. coffers if you die at ages where in you never get back what you put in.
they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.
However- just as with medicare the GOVERNMENT doesn't want that money to pass by their hot little hands, IF the citizenry had invested in a whole life policy instead of sending their 6% and change to fica and the employer had sent their half to the policy guess what?
it appears to me that free market mechanisms NOT the new deal actually takes care of people in this context.....because, here ya go
After 2022, trust fund assets will be redeemed in amounts that exceed interest earnings until trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2036, one year earlier than was projected last year. Trustees Report Summary
ands that changes due to the economy and lack of fica revenue....whoooops.
Meanwhile I will be collect on the 4 policies my wife and I have...you however can enjoy your soma and the dog food, Alpo or kibbles and bits?
Need I go on?
you made comments in past as to the rep.s for example sending the cut cap and trade bill up and knowing it was useless, that the senate would kill it, thats why I posted that.
you appear to forget the positions you take becasue, you change your positions so often to fit your own past comments so as to make yourself right in every context- epic fail.
Are you an asshole by nature or nurture?
hey, it is what it is, don't blame me becasue you talk out of 3 sides of your head. thats your gig homer.
Are you an asshole by nature or nurture?
hey, it is what it is, don't blame me becasue you talk out of 3 sides of your head. thats your gig homer.
You got a-holed because you once again lied about what I said. I didn't make any judgment of debt ceiling vote in May, I simply proved it happened to the poster who didn't believe it.
That's because it's life insurance. SS is not life insurance. It's retirement insurance. Insurance pays you when you become eligible to collect. If you drop dead before you retire, you're not going to collect retirement insurance. Duh! If your house never burns down, you don't collect fire insurance benefits. If you never go to the doctor you don't get health insurance benefits.
Need I go on?
I pay all my lie into a 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?
they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.
I pay all my like into 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?
You love the health-care mandate, how about this, It appears to me that f the gov. had just MANDATED policy to a private carrier say NY Life etc. we would be in infinitely better shape individually and as a country. You DO know that there are financial instruments for instance a whole life ins policy has an IRR, Internal Rate of Return right?
One of my policies has beat the s&p 500 over the last 8 years....so tell me oh wise one, whats the rate or return on SSI? AND it all goes away to the gov. coffers if you die at ages where in you never get back what you put in.
they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.
However- just as with medicare the GOVERNMENT doesn't want that money to pass by their hot little hands, IF the citizenry had invested in a whole life policy instead of sending their 6% and change to fica and the employer had sent their half to the policy guess what?
it appears to me that free market mechanisms NOT the new deal actually takes care of people in this context.....because, here ya go
After 2022, trust fund assets will be redeemed in amounts that exceed interest earnings until trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2036, one year earlier than was projected last year. Trustees Report Summary
ands that changes due to the economy and lack of fica revenue....whoooops.
Meanwhile I will be collect on the 4 policies my wife and I have...you however can enjoy your soma and the dog food, Alpo or kibbles and bits?
Need I go on?
How much are you leeching off the system in child tax credits?
SS is involuntary and that's your big bitch? I'll make your SS tax voluntary, you make the portion of my tax that goes to defense voluntary (I'll pay half of it because that's about what we need).
So you admit Obama changed the offer to an even MORE difficult position. How is Boehner making his offer even more unacceptable to Democrats moving the discussion forward?
It's easy...Boehner could have said, if you want to put 400 billion in revenues on the table, then lets make some additional spending cuts to balance the deal.
And you just admitted that the Democrats have compromised a ton with your statement.
If obamaturd is speaking he is surely lying.John Boehner walks away from debt talks - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
President Obama is speaking now.
Bullshit.
It's just good policy.
I guess making everyone buy car insurance is "fascist" too?
You libtards need to stop using the car insurence as an argument.
According to some state governments that require it, call it finical responsibility. The government does not require you to have collision if you have an accident, you are required to have Liability in case you are the one who has been found at fault.
\Plus car insurance is not forced on those who do not have a car.
Nice try, but making people buy health insurance is just good policy, not facism.
Time is running out on Boehner.
If he can't control the idiots in the Tea Party, we are in trouble.
Why can't SS checks be funded with the TRUST FUND in the LOCK BOX?
The "LOCK BOX" is filled with IOUs.
Congress loves to rob SS to pay for pet projects.
Social security invests in treasury bills in order to collect INTEREST. Like anyone else who buys treasuries does, including, probably, any private employer pension plan.
if we can't repay 14 trillion thanks to obama how can we repay 16 trillion?
What the fuck are you even talking about? Most all of the debt was already there when Obama took office. What are you going to blame on him next? 9-11? Pearl Harbor? The fact you were born missing a large portion of your head?
Not raising the debt ceiling will be more devastating over the long run for other nations outside of the United States. The slight possibility that it won't get done this time round means that other markets around the world will go in free-fall mode, along with the US, but expect the US to get out of it a lot quicker than the rest.
How? Its OUR currency that will fail.
Geithner has developed into the Most Transparent member of the Obama Administration.
He also recently admitted that the debt ceiling needed to be raised to prevent government from shrinking.
I pay all my lie into a 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?
they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.
I pay all my like into 'retirement' system INVOLUNTARILY btw, as I pay VOLUNTARILY into my life ins. BUT, the gov. decides that my earnings, that I built up don't get passed on to my survivor because?
You love the health-care mandate, how about this, It appears to me that f the gov. had just MANDATED policy to a private carrier say NY Life etc. we would be in infinitely better shape individually and as a country. You DO know that there are financial instruments for instance a whole life ins policy has an IRR, Internal Rate of Return right?
One of my policies has beat the s&p 500 over the last 8 years....so tell me oh wise one, whats the rate or return on SSI? AND it all goes away to the gov. coffers if you die at ages where in you never get back what you put in.
they are just as much MINE as the premiums I pay into an insurance policy.
However- just as with medicare the GOVERNMENT doesn't want that money to pass by their hot little hands, IF the citizenry had invested in a whole life policy instead of sending their 6% and change to fica and the employer had sent their half to the policy guess what?
it appears to me that free market mechanisms NOT the new deal actually takes care of people in this context.....because, here ya go
After 2022, trust fund assets will be redeemed in amounts that exceed interest earnings until trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2036, one year earlier than was projected last year. Trustees Report Summary
ands that changes due to the economy and lack of fica revenue....whoooops.
Meanwhile I will be collect on the 4 policies my wife and I have...you however can enjoy your soma and the dog food, Alpo or kibbles and bits?
Need I go on?
How much are you leeching off the system in child tax credits?
SS is involuntary and that's your big bitch? I'll make your SS tax voluntary, you make the portion of my tax that goes to defense voluntary (I'll pay half of it because that's about what we need).
your analogy is not apt, at all.....for god sakes dude...
