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Now why didn't they set up a "water-boarding booth" at CPAC. Then Republicans could take that ride themselves to "prove" to the American public, once and for all, that water-boarding is not torture.
I think they missed a real opportunity.
Bob Barr At CPAC: 'How Would You Like To Be Waterboarded?'
"There is nothing magical about a military tribunal," Barr said, as boos from the audience began cascading around him. "They don't have, necessarily, better lawyers than in a civilian sector. I think I have a lot more faith in our U.S. attorneys who are non political, than my colleagues on the other side of this debate do. We can try them. We should try them. That is precisely... what our law provides for. And if next time we are faced with a situation we say: 'Oh, you know, we want to have them go to the military. Let them torture them for a while. It's not enhanced interrogation techniques. Waterboarding is torture. How would you like to be waterboarded? Try that!"
Needless to say, Barr was alone with his sentiments. Following him on the dais was Viet Dinh, a professor at Georgetown University Law Center and one of the authors of the USA Patriot Act.
Thoughts?
Bob Barr is a faggot. That's my thoughts.
Yeah, anyone who disagrees with Oillie = Idiot..
Nope, only some. I think you qualify though.
Thanks! That made my day!
A better question would have been "do terrorist mass murderers deserve to be waterboarded"?
Actually I think the better question is if you know waterboarding a terrorist will stop a major terrorist attack within the US and save thousands of american civilian lives would you think it's appropriate in this case?
That is exactly what happened.
Who said you can bomb the rest of the world into loving us?
However, if a state government helps terrorists that bomb us, I think a 2,000 pound bomb on their palace can do a world of good.
And when that bomb inevitably kills innocent civilians you give their friends, family, and fellow countrymen a reason to want to attack the U.S.
So you would rather buy them an ice cream sundae?
Sometimes pacifists just make me want to scream.
It is foolish to presume that islamic extremists are the only enemy we will ever face. Who would have thought, 40 years ago, when the Shah of Iran was firmly in power and our major ally, that we would EVER think of Iran as an enemy? Our enemies of the future are not known to us.
What IS known is that whatever we do to prisoners in our custody TODAY, we are tacitly giving the go ahead for those enemies of tomorrow to use those exact techniques on American soldiers captured on future battlefields.
Someone being all for waterboarding is synonymous with telling any and all future enemies that you would not think there was anything inappropriate about them waterboarding your grandson or granddaughter in any future conflict.
And when that bomb inevitably kills innocent civilians you give their friends, family, and fellow countrymen a reason to want to attack the U.S.
So you would rather buy them an ice cream sundae?
Sometimes pacifists just make me want to scream.
Certainly not. I'd support bringing those who committed the act of terrorism to justice, and then putting a stop to our foreign interventionism which creates terrorists. But dropping bombs on innocent civilians doesn't strike me as a good policy for rooting out terrorists.
I said Reagan wasn't an isolationist, and he wasn't a non-interventionist either.
As for being "psycho" when it comes to international affairs, I would say thinking you can bomb the rest of the world into loving us is more psycho than believing minding our own business is a better policy.
Who said you can bomb the rest of the world into loving us?
However, if a state government helps terrorists that bomb us, I think a 2,000 pound bomb on their palace can do a world of good.
And when that bomb inevitably kills innocent civilians you give their friends, family, and fellow countrymen a reason to want to attack the U.S.
My Grand Daughter leaves for Afghanistan in a few more months. If she should end up as a captive, I would much prefer that she be waterboarded than beheaded.
A better question would have been "do terrorist mass murderers deserve to be waterboarded"?
Actually I think the better question is if you know waterboarding a terrorist will stop a major terrorist attack within the US and save thousands of american civilian lives would you think it's appropriate in this case?
That is exactly what happened.
When has that happened?
Certainly not. I'd support bringing those who committed the act of terrorism to justice, and then putting a stop to our foreign interventionism which creates terrorists. But dropping bombs on innocent civilians doesn't strike me as a good policy for rooting out terrorists.
Yea, right. Our foreign interventionism is what creates terrorists. Are you saying there would be no terrorist if it wasn't for the awful United States?
why do they attack us?
So you would rather buy them an ice cream sundae?
Sometimes pacifists just make me want to scream.
Certainly not. I'd support bringing those who committed the act of terrorism to justice, and then putting a stop to our foreign interventionism which creates terrorists. But dropping bombs on innocent civilians doesn't strike me as a good policy for rooting out terrorists.
No problem. We will just get arrest warrants and get the local police to pick up the terrorists in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and Pakistan.
Who said you can bomb the rest of the world into loving us?
However, if a state government helps terrorists that bomb us, I think a 2,000 pound bomb on their palace can do a world of good.
And when that bomb inevitably kills innocent civilians you give their friends, family, and fellow countrymen a reason to want to attack the U.S.
And the responsibility is that of the government that helped the terrorists attack america.
We either let terrorists and their state sponsors attack and kill americans without response, which promotes a lot more of it
or we respond.
Certainly not. I'd support bringing those who committed the act of terrorism to justice, and then putting a stop to our foreign interventionism which creates terrorists. But dropping bombs on innocent civilians doesn't strike me as a good policy for rooting out terrorists.
No problem. We will just get arrest warrants and get the local police to pick up the terrorists in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and Pakistan.
You forget that Afghanistan offered to turn over Osama bin-Laden so long as we could provide proof that he was responsible for 9/11. We declined, opting instead for invasion and regime change.
Yea, right. Our foreign interventionism is what creates terrorists. Are you saying there would be no terrorist if it wasn't for the awful United States?
why do they attack us?
Irrelevant.
American foreign policy doesn't need to have terrorist approval.
No problem. We will just get arrest warrants and get the local police to pick up the terrorists in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and Pakistan.
You forget that Afghanistan offered to turn over Osama bin-Laden so long as we could provide proof that he was responsible for 9/11. We declined, opting instead for invasion and regime change.
Complete left wing drivel and revisionism. They offered to talk about turning him over at the eleventh hour. Given their history it was clearly a move to stall for time. They had no intention of turning him over.
This is why Libertarians will never make inroads with real conservatives.
My Grand Daughter leaves for Afghanistan in a few more months. If she should end up as a captive, I would much prefer that she be waterboarded than beheaded.
that was never the question. I am sure you would rather she have bamboo shoots inserted under her fingernails rather than be beheaded as well. I am sure you would rather she have her fingers cut off one joint at a time rather than be beheaded. I am sure you would rather she have electrodes attached to her private parts and repeatedly shocked rather than be beheaded. what a surprise.
So.... am I to understand that you are telling the taliban in Afghanistan that, if they capture your granddaughter, you really could care less if she is treated humanely or not, as long as she is not beheaded? You are telling them to waterboard her for months on end in order to extract every bit of intelligence they can from her and that you are just fine with that?
Why not be a real man and write THAT in a letter to your granddaughter.... show her how much her grandpa REALLY cares about her?
