SavannahMann
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First, I don’t care if you believe what I say is true or not. Second. My DD214 says I was a 12B2P. Units include 82nd Airborne Div. 307th Engineers. In those days, our barracks were at the end of the Yadkin Extension, known locally as the Yadkin 500 because people tended to speed down the road to Fayetteville. Of course, that was back from 89 to 93.
I want our cops to be better. I don’t make the mistake of hating anyone. That is a mistake by the way. When you hate something, you become that thing. A statement I have made many times on many subjects. I want people to live, cops, and civilians. I want people to survive, and I believe that the wrong lessons have been learned time and time again from incidents.
I am not alone in thinking that the wrong lessons were learned.
Watch the video, Paul Harrell will recreate every shot taken by the FBI during the famous Miami shootout. He shows that it was not the weapons that were the issue, which was the claim of the Advocates like yourself. The FBI agents were mostly armed with .38 Specials and .357 Magnums. It wasn’t that the weapons were old, nor that the round was outdated. They missed the baddies. They did not hit the baddies. Now, I don’t care what weapon you hold in your hand, I don’t care how powerful, or awesome the ammunition is, if you miss the baddie, it doesn’t matter one damned bit.
But the lesson learned and applied nationally was that the cops could no longer use the revolvers, and the departments rushed to the Wondernines. Beretta’s led the pack for that change. But the 9MM was no more powerful than the .38 Specials in use. There was just more of them in the pistol at one time.
The lessons we learn from incidents, depends on learning the truth. I mentioned aircraft accident investigations. A passion of mine is watching and reading about them. One comes to mind here. The Queens Catastrophe.
American Airlines Flight 587 - Wikipedia
Let me give you the synopsis, since I know you have a short attention span. The black box recordings showed the Co-Pilot flying the plane kicked the rudder over and over again, causing enough stress to build up that the tail of the aircraft broke off. The investigation could have stopped there, written off as pilot error. But the investigators did not stop there, they wanted to know why. They found out the co-pilot had been in a simulator when an extreme scenario was played out. The intended lesson was to never stop fighting to fly the plane. The lesson learned (wrong lesson) was that small inputs would not save the airplane, it took maximum available inputs to the controls.
The investigators figured this out, and created the fix to insure that everyone who was given that scenario was retrained. To prevent another accident just like the one that killed 260 people.
Now, imagine that this accident had been investigated like a police shooting. The pilot did everything right. The airplane worked as designed. No changes, no fixes, nothing to prevent it from happening again. No right lessons from the tragedy.
I am the one saying the cops need better training to prevent more cops being killed. I am the one advocating for better training so that more cops live. You are the one objecting to that training, to saving more lives, and you scream that I am anti cop. I have never called on a cop to die. I have never once celebrated any deaths, cops or others. You are the one so happy that a cop is dead. Not me.
I am the one saying we need to examine the police policies, so we can prevent future cops from dying.
How many cops dead is a good thing? How many cops need to die before you decide that they need more training to survive? How many cops should be dead?
I feel stupid asking that. but apparently you are unhappy that anyone dare challenge the idea that the cops are doing a fantastic job when they shoot one of their own.
If you think that is a great job, then this video will almost certainly bring you much joy.
I would say that the cop who shot his partner in the back made a mistake. I would argue that he definitely needs more training to be more aware of his muzzle position and direction. I would argue that he needs to be trained to always keep his pistol pointing in a safe direction when not engaging a hostile target. I suppose you would say he was doing a bang up job.
Are you disappointed that the cop survived being shot in the back? I know I am grateful that she survived. I wonder what we can do to reduce those events as much as possible. I know we will never eliminate them, but we should always strive to be as good as possible, perfection is impossible.
