Black Congresswoman Shelia Jackson blames BUSH for Fast and Furious!!

[Vast LWC]

Hmmm:

ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of "gunwalking" sting operations between 2006 and 2011. This was done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States. "Gunwalking" or "letting guns walk" was a tactic whereby the ATF knowingly allowed thousands of guns to be bought by suspected arms traffickers ("gunrunners") working through straw purchasers on behalf of Mexican drug cartels...

...The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division. With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border", Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation. These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.

Would ya look at that?

Looks like the "Black Woman" has a point after all.

Totally different motives. Totally different operations. Totally different results.

Obama fucked up!

Looks like the same thing to me.

They let guns walk, to catch Mexican buyers.

Perhaps you can explain the difference?

That is, besides having different names for the operations?

 

[daveman]

Black Congresswoman Shelia Jackson is an idiot....

Just sayin'....

White Nobody Dr. House is an idiot....

Why use skin color to qualify a person, when it's irrelevant? You sound as bad as the racist who started this post.

The Congressional Black Caucus thanks you for your input.

 

[Dick Tuck]

Black Congresswoman Shelia Jackson is an idiot....

Just sayin'....

White Nobody Dr. House is an idiot....

I have never disclosed my skin color, fuckchop... Way to assume...

Are you related to Black Congresswoman Shelia Jackson? She's an idiot like you...

Why use skin color to qualify a person, when it's irrelevant? You sound as bad as the racist who started this post.

The world would be a better place if idiots like you who claim racism at the drop of a hat would just leave the planet for good... Consider it, won't you?

You're still the one who follows the leader, and uses her skin color in an irrelevant context. What do you think that says about you?

Even if her speculation, interpretation of facts, and opinion turns out to be wrong, what does her skin color have to do with anything? Are you claiming that there's no blacks who are smarter than you, may know more? When a white person says something stupid, is it because of their skin color?

You've either latched onto a real loser, i.e. the OP author, or you need some serious help with your own prejudice.

 

[Vast LWC]

Black Congresswoman Shelia Jackson is an idiot....

Just sayin'....

Who elects these retarded chimpanzees ?

And people wonder why the Tea Party types are often branded as "racist".

Dumb-ass red-neck.

 

[Ernie S.]

Despicable! Yet liberals will believe it!

Blame Bush will be their slogan in 2016!

We like to believe the truth. Funny, This is the first time Obama has used Executive Privilege, but Bush used it 6 times. Oh, that's right. "Executive Privilege" is for Republican Presidents. Like "reconciliation" is for a Republican congress. I sometimes forget how the rules are different when it's Republicans in office.

Let's go though the rules to make sure I understand them:

1. Executive Privilege can only be used by a Republican President.

2. Reconciliation can only be used by a Republican Congress.

3. When Democrats are successful, Republicans get the credit.

4. When Republican policies fail, they suddenly belong to Democrats.

5. Republicans are not responsible for any of their disasters.

I'm pretty sure I've outlined the first five correctly. I'll get back to you on the rest.

Dean you're oversimplifying, please let us know what Bush did it for. YEah there was the case when Bush fired US attorney. Now, WHY was that a scandal? Presidents cant fire US attorneys and put their own people in?

clinton fired just about all of the US Attorneys when he took office.

 

[Vast LWC]

Uh oh, the woman has a point!

Quick, let's turn this into a race issue!

 

[BlindBoo]

We like to believe the truth. Funny, This is the first time Obama has used Executive Privilege, but Bush used it 6 times. Oh, that's right. "Executive Privilege" is for Republican Presidents. Like "reconciliation" is for a Republican congress. I sometimes forget how the rules are different when it's Republicans in office.

Let's go though the rules to make sure I understand them:

1. Executive Privilege can only be used by a Republican President.

2. Reconciliation can only be used by a Republican Congress.

3. When Democrats are successful, Republicans get the credit.

4. When Republican policies fail, they suddenly belong to Democrats.

5. Republicans are not responsible for any of their disasters.

I'm pretty sure I've outlined the first five correctly. I'll get back to you on the rest.

Dean you're oversimplifying, please let us know what Bush did it for. YEah there was the case when Bush fired US attorney. Now, WHY was that a scandal? Presidents cant fire US attorneys and put their own people in?

clinton fired just about all of the US Attorneys when he took office.

So did Raygun. So did Bush(43) Bush even forced some who were not following the White House(GOP) agenda properly to resign and replaced them with ones who would.

 

[daveman]

Black Congresswoman Shelia Jackson is an idiot....

Just sayin'....

Who elects these retarded chimpanzees ?

And people wonder why the Tea Party types are often branded as "racist".

No, I don't wonder.

 

[daveman]

Uh oh, the woman has a point!

Quick, let's turn this into a race issue!

Except she doesn't have a point. "Blame Bush for Obama's failures!!" isn't a point.

 

[The T]

We like to believe the truth. Funny, This is the first time Obama has used Executive Privilege, but Bush used it 6 times. Oh, that's right. "Executive Privilege" is for Republican Presidents. Like "reconciliation" is for a Republican congress. I sometimes forget how the rules are different when it's Republicans in office.

Let's go though the rules to make sure I understand them:

1. Executive Privilege can only be used by a Republican President.

2. Reconciliation can only be used by a Republican Congress.

3. When Democrats are successful, Republicans get the credit.

4. When Republican policies fail, they suddenly belong to Democrats.

5. Republicans are not responsible for any of their disasters.

I'm pretty sure I've outlined the first five correctly. I'll get back to you on the rest.

Dean you're oversimplifying, please let us know what Bush did it for. YEah there was the case when Bush fired US attorney. Now, WHY was that a scandal? Presidents cant fire US attorneys and put their own people in?

clinton fired just about all of the US Attorneys when he took office.

Yep. 93 of them.

 

[MuadDib]

Sheila Jackson Lee is a lunatic and the only people crazier than her are the voters who elected her.

 

[Vast LWC]

Dean you're oversimplifying, please let us know what Bush did it for. YEah there was the case when Bush fired US attorney. Now, WHY was that a scandal? Presidents cant fire US attorneys and put their own people in?

Allow me.

1. Bush asserted executive privilege to deny disclosure of sought details regarding former Attorney General Janet Reno, the scandal involving Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) misuse of organized-crime informants and Justice Department deliberations about President Bill Clinton's fundraising tactics, in December 2001..

2. Bush invoked executive privilege in refusing to disclose the details of Vice President Dick Cheney's meetings with energy executives in 2004.

3. On June 28, 2007, Bush invoked executive privilege in response to congressional subpoenas requesting documents from former presidential counsel Harriet Miers and former political director Sara Taylor.

4. On July 9, 2007, Bush again invoked executive privilege to block a congressional subpoena requiring the testimonies of Taylor and Miers.

5. On July 13, less than a week after claiming executive privilege for Miers and Taylor, Counsel Fielding effectively claimed the privilege once again, this time in relation to documents related to the 2004 death of Army Ranger Pat Tillman.

6. On August 1, 2007, Bush invoked the privilege for the fourth time in little over a month, this time rejecting a subpoena for Karl Rove. The subpoena would have required the President's Senior Advisor to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee in a probe over fired federal prosecutors.

Source: Executive privilege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Vast LWC]

Except she doesn't have a point. "Blame Bush for Obama's failures!!" isn't a point.

She claims the gun-running program began under Bush.

As per the proof of that I posted above, that is correct.

The operation simply had a different name at the time.

 

[MuadDib]

Another example of "blame white people when blacks screw up". Might work though since the establishment media is always on the dem side.

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee blames Fast and Furious on George W. Bush - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com

On Wednesday, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) tried to pin the Fast and Furious gun-walking scandal on former President George W. Bush.

“This Fast and Furious debacle started under the Bush administration,” Jackson Lee said. “And it is been evidenced by various reports that it started under the ATL office in Arizona unbeknownst to leadership in Washington DC, at least leadership that came in under the Obama administration in this instance, Eric Holder.”

Not so fast, says Andrew C. McCarthy of National Review Online.

For starters, Fast and Furious did not start until 2009, months after George W. Bush was no longer in the White House.

McCarthy explains that the Democrats' strategy is to conflate two "very different programs."

In this case, the two programs are Operation Fast & Furious and a "Bush era ATF initiative known as 'Operation Wide Receiver.'"

According to McCarthy, "Operation Wide Receiver" involved "not gun-walking but controlled delivery."

He explains that "controlled delivery is a very common law enforcement tactic."

Basically, the agents know the bad guys have negotiated a deal to acquire some commodity that is either illegal itself (e.g., heroin, child porn) or illegal for them to have/use (e.g., guns, corporate secrets). The agents allow the transfer to happen under circumstances where they are in control — i.e., they are on the scene conducting surveillance of the transfer, and sometimes even participating undercover in the transfer. As soon as the transfer takes place, they can descend on the suspects, make arrests, and seize the commodity in question — all of which makes for powerful evidence of guilt.

"Fast and Furious," on the other hand, "involved uncontrolled deliveries — of thousands of weapons."

Two very different programs that did the EXACT SAME THING???? Hello! You guys don't get to make up your own facts. Haven't you figured that out?

You don't rock like this cockatoo.

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[signelect]

You ought to live in Houston and have to watch her make a fool of herself everytime she opens her mouth. She is a racist delux, a discrace to her school and worse than anythig else she misleads her voters in the 4th ward and they are no better off than before she got in congress.

 

[Dr.House]

White Nobody Dr. House is an idiot....

I have never disclosed my skin color, fuckchop... Way to assume...

Are you related to Black Congresswoman Shelia Jackson? She's an idiot like you...

Why use skin color to qualify a person, when it's irrelevant? You sound as bad as the racist who started this post.

The world would be a better place if idiots like you who claim racism at the drop of a hat would just leave the planet for good... Consider it, won't you?

You're still the one who follows the leader, and uses her skin color in an irrelevant context. What do you think that says about you?

Do you honestly think I care what a fuckstain like you thinks of my cut & paste of a thread title?

And no, replying to you to call you out on your stupidity does not equate to me caring about what a fuckstain like you thinks about me...

So, about that you leaving the planet idea... How's today work for you?

 

[Vast LWC]

Who elects these retarded chimpanzees ?

And people wonder why the Tea Party types are often branded as "racist".

No, I don't wonder.

Yes, obviously this entire thread is based on how a Congresswoman is bringing up the Bush administration's involvement in Gun Walking operations, "because she's black", and I was responding to a comment where a poster called her a "Chimpanzee"...

But obviously right-wingers just look "racist" because liberals are "playing the race card".

 

[Vast LWC]

And again, she has a point. What she said was essentially correct.

 

[GuyPinestra]

And again, she has a point. What she said was essentially correct.

No, it is NOT correct. The stupid idea of running guns to Mexico under Wide Receiver (2006-2007) was correctly ended and acknowledged as a failure after Mexico informed us that they were unable to track the weapons, allowing about 400 of them into the hands of the cartels.

Under Holder, that stupid idea was resurrected and re-tried WITHOUT the knowledge and cooperation of the Mexican government, and it resulted in about 2,000 weapons being lost, 2 of which were connected to the death of BP agent Terry.

IOW, Holder's ATF ignored the previous failure, instituted a program that was LESS likely to succeed and QUINTUPLED the number of trafficked weapons, all the while using the bloated gun recovery figures to push for stricter gun laws here at home.

Talk about DUMB!!

 

[Vast LWC]

No, it is NOT correct. The stupid idea of running guns to Mexico under Wide Receiver (2006-2007) was correctly ended and acknowledged as a failure after Mexico informed us that they were unable to track the weapons, allowing about 400 of them into the hands of the cartels.

Under Holder, that stupid idea was resurrected and re-tried WITHOUT the knowledge and cooperation of the Mexican government, and it resulted in about 2,000 weapons being lost, 2 of which were connected to the death of BP agent Terry.

IOW, Holder's ATF ignored the previous failure, instituted a program that was LESS likely to succeed and QUINTUPLED the number of trafficked weapons, all the while using the bloated gun recovery figures to push for stricter gun laws here at home.

Talk about DUMB!!

Despite your opinions as to the effectiveness of the programs, that still does not contradict her statement, which was:

“This Fast and Furious debacle started under the Bush administration.”

Which is essentially true.