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In addition, since the Mexican Government didn't help the Bush administration with the program at all, and Mexican government members are well-known to be corrupt and have ties to the cartels themselves...
Why do you feel it would have been a better plan to involve them?
No, it is NOT correct. The stupid idea of running guns to Mexico under Wide Receiver (2006-2007) was correctly ended and acknowledged as a failure after Mexico informed us that they were unable to track the weapons, allowing about 400 of them into the hands of the cartels.
Under Holder, that stupid idea was resurrected and re-tried WITHOUT the knowledge and cooperation of the Mexican government, and it resulted in about 2,000 weapons being lost, 2 of which were connected to the death of BP agent Terry.
IOW, Holder's ATF ignored the previous failure, instituted a program that was LESS likely to succeed and QUINTUPLED the number of trafficked weapons, all the while using the bloated gun recovery figures to push for stricter gun laws here at home.
Talk about DUMB!!
Despite your opinions as to the effectiveness of the programs, that still does not contradict her statement, which was:
This Fast and Furious debacle started under the Bush administration.
Which is essentially true.
I have been saying it for over a year... Obama is
No, it is NOT correct. The stupid idea of running guns to Mexico under Wide Receiver (2006-2007) was correctly ended and acknowledged as a failure after Mexico informed us that they were unable to track the weapons, allowing about 400 of them into the hands of the cartels.
Under Holder, that stupid idea was resurrected and re-tried WITHOUT the knowledge and cooperation of the Mexican government, and it resulted in about 2,000 weapons being lost, 2 of which were connected to the death of BP agent Terry.
IOW, Holder's ATF ignored the previous failure, instituted a program that was LESS likely to succeed and QUINTUPLED the number of trafficked weapons, all the while using the bloated gun recovery figures to push for stricter gun laws here at home.
Talk about DUMB!!
Despite your opinions as to the effectiveness of the programs, that still does not contradict her statement, which was:
This Fast and Furious debacle started under the Bush administration.
Which is essentially true.
Yes it is. And it was closed down after it did not work.
The question now is, Why was it opened back up in 2009? This is what they are trying to find out and Holder is stalling.
No, it is NOT correct. The stupid idea of running guns to Mexico under Wide Receiver (2006-2007) was correctly ended and acknowledged as a failure after Mexico informed us that they were unable to track the weapons, allowing about 400 of them into the hands of the cartels.
Under Holder, that stupid idea was resurrected and re-tried WITHOUT the knowledge and cooperation of the Mexican government, and it resulted in about 2,000 weapons being lost, 2 of which were connected to the death of BP agent Terry.
IOW, Holder's ATF ignored the previous failure, instituted a program that was LESS likely to succeed and QUINTUPLED the number of trafficked weapons, all the while using the bloated gun recovery figures to push for stricter gun laws here at home.
Talk about DUMB!!
Despite your opinions as to the effectiveness of the programs, that still does not contradict her statement, which was:
This Fast and Furious debacle started under the Bush administration.
Which is essentially true.
You dimwits make up your own intelligence every day. Idiot.Two very different programs that did the EXACT SAME THING???? Hello! You guys don't get to make up your own facts. Haven't you figured that out?
No they ignore truth everyday.
Liberals will try and pretend this operation that began in mid-2009 is connected to former President George W. Bushs administration. The media should challenge this false assertion. Operation Wide Receiver in 2006 did not remotely resemble Fast and Furious, as National Reviews Andrew McCarthy has ably examined. Mexico helped coordinate it, and there was traceable controlled delivery. Even Holder admitted in testimony that you cannot equate the two.
No, it is NOT correct. The stupid idea of running guns to Mexico under Wide Receiver (2006-2007) was correctly ended and acknowledged as a failure after Mexico informed us that they were unable to track the weapons, allowing about 400 of them into the hands of the cartels.
Under Holder, that stupid idea was resurrected and re-tried WITHOUT the knowledge and cooperation of the Mexican government, and it resulted in about 2,000 weapons being lost, 2 of which were connected to the death of BP agent Terry.
IOW, Holder's ATF ignored the previous failure, instituted a program that was LESS likely to succeed and QUINTUPLED the number of trafficked weapons, all the while using the bloated gun recovery figures to push for stricter gun laws here at home.
Talk about DUMB!!
Despite your opinions as to the effectiveness of the programs, that still does not contradict her statement, which was:
This Fast and Furious debacle started under the Bush administration.
Which is essentially true.
You dimwits make up your own intelligence every day. Idiot.Two very different programs that did the EXACT SAME THING???? Hello! You guys don't get to make up your own facts. Haven't you figured that out?
No they ignore truth everyday.
Liberals will try and pretend this operation that began in mid-2009 is connected to former President George W. Bush’s administration. The media should challenge this false assertion. Operation Wide Receiver in 2006 did not remotely resemble Fast and Furious, as National Review’s Andrew McCarthy has ably examined. Mexico helped coordinate it, and there was traceable controlled delivery. Even Holder admitted in testimony that you cannot “equate the two.”
Holder Retracts Statement Blaming Mukasey on Fast and Furious Just saying that Holder first said the same thing but had to RECANT to Congress .Sheila Jackson Lee is right, it started in 2006 under Bush, Jr.
it was revealed that Operation Fast and Furious and other probes under Project Gunrunner had allowed guns to "walk" into the hands of Mexican drug cartels since as early as 2006."
Project Gunrunner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Black Congresswoman Shelia Jackson is an idiot....
Just sayin'...
The Difference Between Bush’s ‘Wide Receiver’ and Obama’s ‘Fast and Furious’ | The Lonely ConservativeThe key differences are that Operation Wide Receiver tracked the firearms that were “walked” into Mexico, and the operation was carried out in conjunction with Mexican authorities. With Operation Fast and Furious, on the other hand, there was no effort made to track the weapons once they “walked” across the border, and the US government never informed the Mexicans of the operation. At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.
Another example of "blame white people when blacks screw up". Might work though since the establishment media is always on the dem side.
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee blames Fast and Furious on George W. Bush - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com
On Wednesday, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) tried to pin the Fast and Furious gun-walking scandal on former President George W. Bush.
This Fast and Furious debacle started under the Bush administration, Jackson Lee said. And it is been evidenced by various reports that it started under the ATL office in Arizona unbeknownst to leadership in Washington DC, at least leadership that came in under the Obama administration in this instance, Eric Holder.
Not so fast, says Andrew C. McCarthy of National Review Online.
For starters, Fast and Furious did not start until 2009, months after George W. Bush was no longer in the White House.
McCarthy explains that the Democrats' strategy is to conflate two "very different programs."
In this case, the two programs are Operation Fast & Furious and a "Bush era ATF initiative known as 'Operation Wide Receiver.'"
According to McCarthy, "Operation Wide Receiver" involved "not gun-walking but controlled delivery."
He explains that "controlled delivery is a very common law enforcement tactic."
Basically, the agents know the bad guys have negotiated a deal to acquire some commodity that is either illegal itself (e.g., heroin, child porn) or illegal for them to have/use (e.g., guns, corporate secrets). The agents allow the transfer to happen under circumstances where they are in control i.e., they are on the scene conducting surveillance of the transfer, and sometimes even participating undercover in the transfer. As soon as the transfer takes place, they can descend on the suspects, make arrests, and seize the commodity in question all of which makes for powerful evidence of guilt.
"Fast and Furious," on the other hand, "involved uncontrolled deliveries of thousands of weapons."
Black Congresswoman Shelia Jackson is an idiot....
Just sayin'...
and her color is relevant because?
i know you know that the program started during the bush administration.
and yet issa didn't call mukasey to testify. imagine that.
who'd a thunk it?
Black Congresswoman Shelia Jackson is an idiot....
Just sayin'...
and her color is relevant because?
i know you know that the program started during the bush administration.
and yet issa didn't call mukasey to testify. imagine that.
who'd a thunk it?
NO, that's the liberal spin. They were two very different programs. One used standard operational procedure in a sting scenario and worked with the Mexican Government- When they lost control of a few dozen guns they ended it.
The other allowed guns to walk unbeknownst to the Mexican government and had zero control over the operation, allowing thousands of guns to fall into the hands of known drug cartels. These guns have consequently been linked to numerous murders of Mexican citizens and also in the murder of one of our own agents- Holder himself gave testimony that you cannot equate the two.
