Bill To Ban Imaginary Regulation Passes House

[J.E.D]

A good strategic move. Let's face it. If Dimocrats can figure out how to tax or fine a farmer over field dust they'll do it.

Yeah, great strategic move. Pass a bill to ban a regulation that DOES NOT exist

Umm, not true.
They want to AMEND a regulation that ALREADY EXISTS:
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc112/h1633_rh.xml

H. R. 1633
[Report No. 112–316]
A BILL

To establish a temporary prohibition against revising any national ambient air quality standard applicable to coarse particulate matter, to limit Federal regulation of nuisance dust in areas in which such dust is regulated under State, tribal, or local law, and for other purposes.

So it's already regulated on a State level, this would prevent the Feds from stepping in.

And if you do a little research (which Liberals hardly ever do) you'd see that particulate matter is re-assesed every 5 years by the Fed so yes, this IS pre-emptive Legislation, but it's against laws that DO already exist and are on the books.

By the way, The Clean Air Act has been in existence for about 40 years and has been amended a few times before.
Clean Air Act | US EPA

Yeah I saw that in the article. Particulate matter is reassessed every 5 years. But there is no new EPA law to put more regulations on farm dust. The GOP thinks that there will be in the future. That's it. It's a bogus bill and a waste of time.

 

[Jarhead]

Yeah, great strategic move. Pass a bill to ban a regulation that DOES NOT exist

Umm, not true.
They want to AMEND a regulation that ALREADY EXISTS:
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc112/h1633_rh.xml

H. R. 1633
[Report No. 112–316]
A BILL

To establish a temporary prohibition against revising any national ambient air quality standard applicable to coarse particulate matter, to limit Federal regulation of nuisance dust in areas in which such dust is regulated under State, tribal, or local law, and for other purposes.

So it's already regulated on a State level, this would prevent the Feds from stepping in.

And if you do a little research (which Liberals hardly ever do) you'd see that particulate matter is re-assesed every 5 years by the Fed so yes, this IS pre-emptive Legislation, but it's against laws that DO already exist and are on the books.

By the way, The Clean Air Act has been in existence for about 40 years and has been amended a few times before.
Clean Air Act | US EPA

Yeah I saw that in the article. Particulate matter is reassessed every 5 years. But there is no new EPA law to put more regulations on farm dust. The GOP thinks that there will be in the future. That's it. It's a bogus bill and a waste of time.

Yeah...congress being proactive is a wate of time.

I think they should continue to be reactive...afterall....congress is doing a fine job being reactive.

 

[occupied]

We really needed all those birther and anti sharia laws too.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

http://www.farmsafety.ca/public/factsheets/farmer_lung.pdf


*Coughing
*shortness of breath
*a mild fever and occasional chills
*a general feeling of sickness
*aches and pains in the muscles and joints
*a loss of appetite and loss of weight.

People who are sensitive to dust from moldy crops continue to exhibit these signs and
symptoms as long as they are exposed to the dust. This condition sometimes resembles a
"chest cold" that lingers throughout the winter. Some people lose weight over several weeks.

And how does one remove dust from crops??

Jesus the EPA is idiotic sometimes.

Didn't you get the message? The EPA didn't put forth any such rule. It's the GOP that's idiotic. Don't make too much of the 33 Dems that voted for it. They were undoubtedly from farm states and didn't want to be chopped up by the GOP machine.

you libs are total suckers for the lying pravda press....Congress ruled on this with good reason....the EPA was trying to dictate idiotic dust levels on farms...

...in their sneaky warped way the anti-American EPA did impose such rules....if they can get away with it the Left will do anything to hinder American enterprise....all under their diabolical mantra of "safety"......

Under rules imposed in 2006, rural areas would be kept to the same standards as urban areas for what the Environmental Protection Agency calls "coarse particulate matter" in the air.

The American Farm Bureau Federation and the National Pork Producers Council had petitioned the government to provide an exemption to farmers. They argued that evidence of harm caused by dust in rural areas hasn't been determined.

But the U.S. District Court of Appeals in Washington ruled Tuesday that the EPA had already provided the evidence necessary to determine farm dust "likely is not safe."

Michael Formica, a lawyer for the pork council, said this means farmers now face the daunting task of proving a negative—that the dust is not harmful.

Formica said his and other groups will consider a further appeal.

Farmers said they will be hard-pressed to meet the standards.

In a letter sent Wednesday to the EPA, Grassley wrote that compliance would be impossible because of the dust produced in farmers' day-to-day activities.

Grassley also has noted that because many rural roads are not paved, particulate readings could be affected by wind gusts that constantly change.

"After all, God decides when the wind blows, not Chuck Grassley," he said.

But the EPA said the regulation was overdue.

Every five years, the Clean Air Act requires the agency to review the newest scientific information and recommend changes to its standards.

In 2006, the EPA determined larger particles in the air than previously thought were a danger to the public. The increased threshold covered air mixes that occur in rural areas.

EPA spokeswoman Cathy Milbourn said the changes are not just a matter of regulating dust. They serve the public's well-being and, regardless of whether someone lives in a rural or urban area, the threshold for unsafe levels of dust in the air must remain consistent nationally.

"It's health-based," she said. "We don't look at a particular industry. The goal is to protect public health."

When counties reach "non-attainment" levels, it becomes a state's responsibility to bring the county back into acceptable levels.

Milbourn said various options exist for states, such as retrofitting buses that run on diesel engines.

But farmers insist the regulation will affect their operations and eventually their bottom lines. And they said unlike fixing a bus, they have few options for limiting dust from their fields and roads.

Roger Zylstra, a director with the Iowa Corngrowers Association, said if left alone, farmers can compete worldwide. But regulation could impede their success.

EPA says farm dust requires regulation

 

[Mad Scientist]

Yeah, great strategic move. Pass a bill to ban a regulation that DOES NOT exist

Umm, not true.
They want to AMEND a regulation that ALREADY EXISTS:
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc112/h1633_rh.xml

If it already exists, cite it. Otherwise, your post is less than worthless, it's another LIE!

I already did, in the section you edited out:
Clean Air Act | US EPA

 

[JDzBrain]

And anyway, it's not like this will even be taken up in the Senate. The House GOP really knows how to give us tax payers our money's worth.

Unlike that great investment we have in the democrat controlled Senate who hasn't passed anything besides a bill increase our national debt ceiling by several trillion dollars or a bill congratulating some so and so for being 100 years old in over 2 years...right?

If the EPA did not INTEND to do this crap...then WHY did they include it in the 5 year review when it was NOT before?

A little common sense please. I'm sure some 300 elected representatives...republicans AND democrats just pulled this out of their ass and passed it in a panic.

I CAN understand why you progressives would view this as a threat and want to discredit the effort. Since they can't govern openly without revealing their TRUE agenda, democrats are using the insane conglomerate of alphabet soup departments to back-door the radical progressive regulations needed to promote their agenda.

A Congress that would take power BACK to it's self where it belongs...IS a threat to that!

Get use to it libs. You have awaken the great unwashed masses of middle American...and we're gonna to be SENDIN' THEM HELP!

 

[Mad Scientist]

Yeah I saw that in the article. Particulate matter is reassessed every 5 years. But there is no new EPA law to put more regulations on farm dust. The GOP thinks that there will be in the future. That's it. It's a bogus bill and a waste of time.

"Re-Assesed Every 5 Years" means they will will put tougher regulations in place in the future. That's how gov't works. It's already regulated at a State level so that's good enough.

JosefK have you ever heard of Agenda 21? Do an Internet search for it.

 

[Claudette]

http://www.farmsafety.ca/public/factsheets/farmer_lung.pdf


*Coughing
*shortness of breath
*a mild fever and occasional chills
*a general feeling of sickness
*aches and pains in the muscles and joints
*a loss of appetite and loss of weight.

People who are sensitive to dust from moldy crops continue to exhibit these signs and
symptoms as long as they are exposed to the dust. This condition sometimes resembles a
"chest cold" that lingers throughout the winter. Some people lose weight over several weeks.

And how does one remove dust from crops??

Jesus the EPA is idiotic sometimes.

Didn't you get the message? The EPA didn't put forth any such rule. It's the GOP that's idiotic. Don't make too much of the 33 Dems that voted for it. They were undoubtedly from farm states and didn't want to be chopped up by the GOP machine.

Ah but thats not to say that they couldn't.

This is the same EPA that was going for Cap and Trade yes?

 

[Big Fitz]

They should just stick to something they're good at, renaming buildings.

been to West VA lately?
Is there a building there NOT named after KKK Byrd (D-WV)?

 

[jillian]

Congressional Republicans are fucking insane.

Imaginary Farm Dust Regulation Banned By House

WASHINGTON -- A bill to ban a farm dust regulation that the federal government has never proposed passed the House Thursday, sailing through easily on a party-line vote of 268 to 150.

The measure, dubbed the Farm Dust Regulation Prevention Act of 2011, was purported by its lead sponsor, Rep. Kristi Noem (R-S.D.), to stop the Environmental Protection Agency from writing a rule that would require farmers to take onerous steps to control dust from their land.

But EPA administrator Lisa Jackson has said repeatedly that no such rule is in the works. What the EPA does do is review ambient air pollution standards every five years, as required by law, and make recommendations on whether or not to tighten standards.

"We have spent an entire day debating about a bill that does not address an existing problem," said Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.).

"This entire session of Congress has felt to many of us like a trip into Alice's Wonderland," said DeGette. "To paraphrase the Cheshire Cat, 'We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. ... You must be mad or you wouldn't have come here.' Sadly for the American people, H.R. 1633 simply underscores the 'madness' of this body right now."

Republicans countered that although no rule was proposed, they worried that someone might file a lawsuit someday to to regulate farm dust.

it may have been a nonexistent reg... but the "base" doesn't care. *shrug*

this story is a couple of weeks old, i believe.

 

[peach174]

This is from the EPA.gov site.
http://www.epa.gov/ttn/chief/conference/ei19/session9/pouliot.pdf
It lists the changes that they want to do.

Dust kicked up from cow hoofs, from monthly testing to a weekly and daily testing.
SERIOUSLY?Talk about micro managing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the HELL???????? It is SHIT like this that needs no testing at all.
Cow hoof dust? Every single animal & human alive that moves and walks kicks up dust.
This is one example of the millions of testings being spent by tax dollars in the EPA, so that they then can make extremely stupid regulations.
And then EPA wonders why the American people are upset with them and wants this agency gone.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Congressional Republicans are fucking insane.

Imaginary Farm Dust Regulation Banned By House

WASHINGTON -- A bill to ban a farm dust regulation that the federal government has never proposed passed the House Thursday, sailing through easily on a party-line vote of 268 to 150.

The measure, dubbed the Farm Dust Regulation Prevention Act of 2011, was purported by its lead sponsor, Rep. Kristi Noem (R-S.D.), to stop the Environmental Protection Agency from writing a rule that would require farmers to take onerous steps to control dust from their land.

But EPA administrator Lisa Jackson has said repeatedly that no such rule is in the works. What the EPA does do is review ambient air pollution standards every five years, as required by law, and make recommendations on whether or not to tighten standards.

"We have spent an entire day debating about a bill that does not address an existing problem," said Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.).

"This entire session of Congress has felt to many of us like a trip into Alice's Wonderland," said DeGette. "To paraphrase the Cheshire Cat, 'We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. ... You must be mad or you wouldn't have come here.' Sadly for the American people, H.R. 1633 simply underscores the 'madness' of this body right now."

Republicans countered that although no rule was proposed, they worried that someone might file a lawsuit someday to to regulate farm dust.

Don't let the facts get in the way of some good political dishonesty! The EPA was considering such regulations and only in recent weeks had turned away from the idea.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?fo.../pouliot.pdf&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13234493494581
Obama's EPA Moves to Regulate Dust
EPA must stop playing in the dust | The Examiner | Op Eds | Washington Examiner
EPA to regulate … dust « Hot Air

 

[jillian]

This is from the EPA.gov site.
http://www.epa.gov/ttn/chief/conference/ei19/session9/pouliot.pdf
It lists the changes that they want to do.

Dust kicked up from cow hoofs, from monthly testing to a weekly and daily testing.
SERIOUSLY?Talk about micro managing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the HELL???????? It is SHIT like this that needs no testing at all.
Cow hoof dust? Every single animal & human alive that moves and walks kicks up dust.
This is one example of the millions of testings being spent by tax dollars in the EPA, so that they then can make extremely stupid regulations.
And then EPA wonders why the American people are upset with them and wants this agency gone.

the EPA said over and over and over they had rejected that proposal.

mental Protection Agency officials have said — over and over again — that they won’t propose new regulations to limit dust kicked up by farm equipment. But anti-regulation sentiment is strong this year on the campaign trail, and real or not, House Republicans are planning to vote this week to prevent such regulations.

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/business/9288419-420/gop-debates-nonexistent-epa-dust-rule.html

rightwingnuts are retarded.

 

[konradv]

Umm, not true.
They want to AMEND a regulation that ALREADY EXISTS:
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc112/h1633_rh.xml

If it already exists, cite it. Otherwise, your post is less than worthless, it's another LIE!

I already did, in the section you edited out:
Clean Air Act | US EPA

Nothing I edited out amounts to proof that the EPA was planning the regulation. THAT'S what I want to see, NOT a C&P of the Clean Air Act! Try again, maybe you can get your boyfriend, Fitz, to help you!

 

[Jarhead]

Congressional Republicans are fucking insane.

Imaginary Farm Dust Regulation Banned By House

WASHINGTON -- A bill to ban a farm dust regulation that the federal government has never proposed passed the House Thursday, sailing through easily on a party-line vote of 268 to 150.

The measure, dubbed the Farm Dust Regulation Prevention Act of 2011, was purported by its lead sponsor, Rep. Kristi Noem (R-S.D.), to stop the Environmental Protection Agency from writing a rule that would require farmers to take onerous steps to control dust from their land.

But EPA administrator Lisa Jackson has said repeatedly that no such rule is in the works. What the EPA does do is review ambient air pollution standards every five years, as required by law, and make recommendations on whether or not to tighten standards.

"We have spent an entire day debating about a bill that does not address an existing problem," said Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.).

"This entire session of Congress has felt to many of us like a trip into Alice's Wonderland," said DeGette. "To paraphrase the Cheshire Cat, 'We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. ... You must be mad or you wouldn't have come here.' Sadly for the American people, H.R. 1633 simply underscores the 'madness' of this body right now."

Republicans countered that although no rule was proposed, they worried that someone might file a lawsuit someday to to regulate farm dust.

it may have been a nonexistent reg... but the "base" doesn't care. *shrug*

this story is a couple of weeks old, i believe.

you are spionning the "bases" concern.

The "base" got concerned when the EPA started to discuss such a regulation for they saw such as regulation as preposterous.....and yes, the EPA, after several weeks of discussing it admitted that CURRENLTY there is not enough completed research to apply such a regulation...and admitted it will be discussed at a later date...

So congress opted to be proactive and ensure that such a regualtion will never become a reality.

Nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

You dont like congress being proactive?

You prefer them to do things when it may be too late?

How did that pan out with the housing bubble?

 

[jillian]

Congressional Republicans are fucking insane.

Imaginary Farm Dust Regulation Banned By House

WASHINGTON -- A bill to ban a farm dust regulation that the federal government has never proposed passed the House Thursday, sailing through easily on a party-line vote of 268 to 150.

The measure, dubbed the Farm Dust Regulation Prevention Act of 2011, was purported by its lead sponsor, Rep. Kristi Noem (R-S.D.), to stop the Environmental Protection Agency from writing a rule that would require farmers to take onerous steps to control dust from their land.

But EPA administrator Lisa Jackson has said repeatedly that no such rule is in the works. What the EPA does do is review ambient air pollution standards every five years, as required by law, and make recommendations on whether or not to tighten standards.

"We have spent an entire day debating about a bill that does not address an existing problem," said Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.).

"This entire session of Congress has felt to many of us like a trip into Alice's Wonderland," said DeGette. "To paraphrase the Cheshire Cat, 'We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. ... You must be mad or you wouldn't have come here.' Sadly for the American people, H.R. 1633 simply underscores the 'madness' of this body right now."

Republicans countered that although no rule was proposed, they worried that someone might file a lawsuit someday to to regulate farm dust.

Don't let the facts get in the way of some good political dishonesty! The EPA was considering such regulations and only in recent weeks had turned away from the idea.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?fo.../pouliot.pdf&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13234493494581
Obama's EPA Moves to Regulate Dust
EPA must stop playing in the dust | The Examiner | Op Eds | Washington Examiner
EPA to regulate … dust « Hot Air

i'd suggest perhaps *you* not let your political views get in the way of facts...

newsmax? hot air?
washington examer?

When Anschutz started the Examiner in its current format, he envisioned creating a conservative competitor to The Washington Post. According to Politico.com, "When it came to the editorial page, Anschutz’s instructions were explicit — he 'wanted nothing but conservative columns and conservative op-ed writers,' said one former employee." The Examiner's conservative writers include Byron York (National Review), Michael Barone (American Enterprise Institute, Fox News), and David Freddoso (National Review, author of The Case Against Barack Obama). [10]

The Washington Examiner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



you want to have a discussion? it's kind of difficult to when you don't acknowledge when your guys do stupid stuff.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Congressional Republicans are fucking insane.

Imaginary Farm Dust Regulation Banned By House

WASHINGTON -- A bill to ban a farm dust regulation that the federal government has never proposed passed the House Thursday, sailing through easily on a party-line vote of 268 to 150.

The measure, dubbed the Farm Dust Regulation Prevention Act of 2011, was purported by its lead sponsor, Rep. Kristi Noem (R-S.D.), to stop the Environmental Protection Agency from writing a rule that would require farmers to take onerous steps to control dust from their land.

But EPA administrator Lisa Jackson has said repeatedly that no such rule is in the works. What the EPA does do is review ambient air pollution standards every five years, as required by law, and make recommendations on whether or not to tighten standards.

"We have spent an entire day debating about a bill that does not address an existing problem," said Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.).

"This entire session of Congress has felt to many of us like a trip into Alice's Wonderland," said DeGette. "To paraphrase the Cheshire Cat, 'We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. ... You must be mad or you wouldn't have come here.' Sadly for the American people, H.R. 1633 simply underscores the 'madness' of this body right now."

Republicans countered that although no rule was proposed, they worried that someone might file a lawsuit someday to to regulate farm dust.

Don't let the facts get in the way of some good political dishonesty! The EPA was considering such regulations and only in recent weeks had turned away from the idea.

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/chief/conference/ei19/session9/pouliot.pdf
Obama's EPA Moves to Regulate Dust
EPA must stop playing in the dust | The Examiner | Op Eds | Washington Examiner
EPA to regulate … dust « Hot Air

newsmax? hot air?
washington examer?

When Anschutz started the Examiner in its current format, he envisioned creating a conservative competitor to The Washington Post. According to Politico.com, "When it came to the editorial page, Anschutz’s instructions were explicit — he 'wanted nothing but conservative columns and conservative op-ed writers,' said one former employee." The Examiner's conservative writers include Byron York (National Review), Michael Barone (American Enterprise Institute, Fox News), and David Freddoso (National Review, author of The Case Against Barack Obama). [10]

The Washington Examiner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why don't you mention my first link...the ONE TO THE EPA's website with their Ideas to do this described! In case you "overlooked" it here it is again http://www.epa.gov/ttn/chief/conference/ei19/session9/pouliot.pdf

 

[Jarhead]

Congressional Republicans are fucking insane.

Imaginary Farm Dust Regulation Banned By House

WASHINGTON -- A bill to ban a farm dust regulation that the federal government has never proposed passed the House Thursday, sailing through easily on a party-line vote of 268 to 150.

The measure, dubbed the Farm Dust Regulation Prevention Act of 2011, was purported by its lead sponsor, Rep. Kristi Noem (R-S.D.), to stop the Environmental Protection Agency from writing a rule that would require farmers to take onerous steps to control dust from their land.

But EPA administrator Lisa Jackson has said repeatedly that no such rule is in the works. What the EPA does do is review ambient air pollution standards every five years, as required by law, and make recommendations on whether or not to tighten standards.

"We have spent an entire day debating about a bill that does not address an existing problem," said Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.).

"This entire session of Congress has felt to many of us like a trip into Alice's Wonderland," said DeGette. "To paraphrase the Cheshire Cat, 'We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad. ... You must be mad or you wouldn't have come here.' Sadly for the American people, H.R. 1633 simply underscores the 'madness' of this body right now."

Republicans countered that although no rule was proposed, they worried that someone might file a lawsuit someday to to regulate farm dust.

it may have been a nonexistent reg... but the "base" doesn't care. *shrug*

this story is a couple of weeks old, i believe.

you are spionning the "bases" concern.

The "base" got concerned when the EPA started to discuss such a regulation for they saw such as regulation as preposterous.....and yes, the EPA, after several weeks of discussing it admitted that CURRENLTY there is not enough completed research to apply such a regulation...and admitted it will be discussed at a later date...

So congress opted to be proactive and ensure that such a regualtion will never become a reality.

Nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

You dont like congress being proactive?

You prefer them to do things when it may be too late?

How did that pan out with the housing bubble?

Curious as to why you ignored the above post of mine Jillian.....

 

[peach174]

One of the points being missed here, is the EPA tests cow hoof dust particles every month already.
What a waste of taxes spent.
It's stuff like this crap as to why EPA needs to be gone or seriously scaled back in it's size.

 

[Claudette]

it may have been a nonexistent reg... but the "base" doesn't care. *shrug*

this story is a couple of weeks old, i believe.

you are spionning the "bases" concern.

The "base" got concerned when the EPA started to discuss such a regulation for they saw such as regulation as preposterous.....and yes, the EPA, after several weeks of discussing it admitted that CURRENLTY there is not enough completed research to apply such a regulation...and admitted it will be discussed at a later date...

So congress opted to be proactive and ensure that such a regualtion will never become a reality.

Nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

You dont like congress being proactive?

You prefer them to do things when it may be too late?

How did that pan out with the housing bubble?

Curious as to why you ignored the above post of mine Jillian.....

She knows your right.