Bill of Rights...from scratch

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    Let's assume for purposes of this discussion that we were going to revisit the Bill of Rights in order to rectify the ambiguity and variability of interpretations that have been caused by the passage of time.

    If we were starting with a clean sheet of paper and laying out a set of individual rights, as plainly and clearly as possible, what should be included? :eusa_think:
     
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    a supplemental definition list

    most codes/statutes come with a preliminary definition list, doesn't cover everything, but covers a good number of words that are important and could alter the meaning of a code.
     
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    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    would change nothng abou this..it is unfortunate our government already has with the est. of "free speech zones" this whole country should be a free speech zone.


    Amendment II

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    total gun rights supporter here


    Amendment III

    No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

    i agree, i think most homeowners would in an emergency help..


    Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures , shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue , but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    o hell yes, this should include our cars too...no warrent no search...and the warrent should id. what they are looking for

    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    we gotz us a wee bit of a problem here....just compensation is what i want for my property now what you want to give me i am not a fan of emmenit domain....at all..especially taking private property for mall and such


    Amendment VI

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

    i totally agree in due process and the right to face your accusor (unless it is a child who has been sexual molested and i agree that ever man/woman should have right to legal counsel


    Amendment VII

    In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

    our court systmes are too overloaded with bullshut over 20 dollar civil suits or millions for a pair of pants.. i would change this a wee bit but only with advice of counsel


    Amendment VIII

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    agree


    Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    agree


    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    very strong states righter...we were not meant to have a strong federal government leving taxes on th states


    http://www.consource.org/index.asp?bid=574&False&gclid=CLf07sWvrZoCFQwxawodRAtGaw
     
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    Not exactly a clean sheet of paper there bones.

    The point of the exercise is to effectively re-write the existing BoR (with additions and ommissions as people see fit) in clear, contemporary language that cannot be misinterpretted... at least for a little while.
     
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    In hindsight, this may be a little too heady for a friday afternoon thread...


    but it will still be here on monday. :D
     
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    I got one, just say this:

    All humans must be treated equally under any law written and upheld by a state or regional government within the United States of America.
     
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    why re invent the wheel manie?
     
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    Because it's been dented so many times it no longer rolls?
     
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    So we all have the right to be oppressed equally. Fantastic!
     
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    wow a clean sheet...human rights....

    i will have to ponder it on a notepad...or else it will be a thousand small posts lol.....let me go ponder...okay let me look it over..you know check for spelling
     

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