Bill Maher: "Americans are Stupid" Stands by His Statement.

[PubliusInfinitum]

1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.

6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.

We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.

Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.

20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.

22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.

23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:

(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.

(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.

(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.

Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.

24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.

The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the pinciple:

COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.

The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.

These are Hitlers German Workers Party 25 Points, you can make your own conclusion as to the merits of it where it fits into right or left. However as a means of comparison....

The Socialist Party stands for the abolition of every form of domination and exploitation, whether based on social class, gender, race/ethnicity, age, education, sexual orientation, or other characteristics.

We are committed to the transformation of capitalism through the creation of a democratic socialist society based on compassion, empathy, and respect as well as the development of new social structures. Socialism will establish a new social and economic order in which workers and community members will take responsibility for and control of their interpersonal relationships, their neighborhoods, their local government, and the production and distribution of all goods and services.

For these reasons we call for social ownership and democratic control of productive resources, for a guarantee to all of the right to participate in societal production, and to a fair share of society's product, in accordance with individual needs.

As we pursue a socialist transformation of society, we join with others in making radical demands on the existing system: demands that challenge the basic assumptions of a capitalist market economy while pointing the way to a new society. Although reforms will not in themselves bring about socialism, the fight for them will advance the cause by demonstrating the inherent limitations and injustice of the capitalist system. As we build the socialist movement, we organize around a platform committed to our common and interdependent struggles and aspirations.

Hmm... Navy, that's pretty wordy... thus it requires the attention span common to a typical 12 year old to work through it...

Thus it's unlikely that we're going to see the Leftists on this board or anywhere else 'work through it' let alone find the intellecual means to reason through it.

In essense, as your references note, there is virtually no distinction between the two entities... and THAT sir, simply means that the thoughts common to BOTH do not fit the mold of the illusion which modern Leftist indoctrination has established, thus it must be rejected.

In effect you're confusing the opposition with facts and that just won't DO!

Notice that THESE FACTS are of no interests to those who are advocating the position which these facts REFUTE.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Pubic Hair,

Why did the USA avoid fighting the Germans in WWII for almost 2 1/2 years...were Americans really that frightened?

Well let's see... the prevailing opinion of the US Left were enamored with the Fascists of both the Italian and German regimes; FDR not being the least of them; with notable Leftist celebrities such as Lindburgh being a staunch proponent of Nazism, even well after the US was at war with the socialist fucks.

Beyond that, the US didn't go to war with the Nazis until the Nazis joined Japan's declaration of war on the US; post Pearl Harbor; yet another 'untintended concequence' of Leftist policy, which would need to be dealt with in the aftermath...

Fascism was celebrated throughout the US for the whole of the early 20th Century; as the best application of scientific methods of goverance... which would resolve the cultural problems commonly noted and exploited by the Left; during the same period the US Progressive movement infected the US culture on the same basis, but post WW2, with European Fascism having been irretrievably discredited; the above noted historical revisions were required and as this thread proves, many an idiot has been duped into believing such.

 

[edthecynic]

For you the quote has to be modified to 2 minutes max.

Now the interesting thing here, is that this dumbass MODIFIED the quote herself... And in so doing, flipped the quote 180 degrees out of its original context...

Thus, as noted above, the member sought to use the credibility of Winston Churchill through advancing his thoughts; but because Churchill was an instinctive, unapologetic CONSERVATIVE... who targeted his comment to those of his day who resembled MIDCAN5's mindset; Midcan5 felt obligated to RETAIN THE CREDIBILITY OF CHURCHILL and simply REVISE THIS MESSAGE TO REFLECT THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF HIS INTENTION IN STATING IT.

The Left's entire history exist within such revisions... "Fascism is 'Right Wing," "Communism is Right Wing..." and so on are ALL part and parcel of a revision of the historical record, which must take place in order for the left to maintain ANY relevance which must stand upon some discernible credibility. Given that the record of History thoroughly discredits the whole of the ideological Left, it is imperative that they CHANGE that history; which amounts to little more than a damnable LIE!

Again, you are clearly a "Leftist" trying to make CON$ look stupid, and doing a good job of it.

Sir Winston Churchill (prime minister of United Kingdom) :: As Liberal minister -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia
Sir Winston Churchill

As Liberal minister prime minister of United Kingdomin full Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill born Nov. 30, 1874, Blenheim Palace, Oxfordshire, Eng. died Jan. 24, 1965, London

Political career before 1939 » As Liberal minister

In 1904 the Conservative government found itself impaled on a dilemma by Colonial Secretary Joseph Chamberlain’s open advocacy of a tariff. Churchill, a convinced free trader, helped to found the Free Food League. He was disavowed by his constituents and became increasingly alienated from his party. In 1904 he joined the Liberals and won renown for the audacity of his attacks on Chamberlain and Balfour. The radical elements in his political makeup came to the surface under the influence of two colleagues in particular, John Morley, a political legatee of W.E. Gladstone, and David Lloyd George, the rising Welsh orator and firebrand. In the ensuing general election in 1906 he secured a notable victory in Manchester and began his ministerial career in the new Liberal government as undersecretary of state for the colonies. He soon gained credit for his able defense of the policy of conciliation and self-government in South Africa. When the ministry was reconstructed under Prime Minister Herbert H. Asquith in 1908, Churchill was promoted to president of the Board of Trade, with a seat in the Cabinet. Defeated at the ensuing by-election in Manchester, he won an election at Dundee. In the same year he married the beautiful Clementine Hozier; it was a marriage of unbroken affection that provided a secure and happy background for his turbulent career.
At the Board of trade, Churchill emerged as a leader in the movement of Liberalism away from laissez-faire toward social reform. He completed the work begun by his predecessor, Lloyd George, on the bill imposing an eight-hour maximum day for miners. He himself was responsible for attacking the evils of “sweated” labour by setting up trade boards with power to fix minimum wages and for combating unemployment by instituting state-run labour exchanges.
When this Liberal program necessitated high taxation, which in turn provoked the House of Lords to the revolutionary step of rejecting the budget of 1909, Churchill was Lloyd George’s closest ally in developing the provocative strategy designed to clip the wings of the upper chamber. Churchill became president of the Budget League, and his oratorical broadsides at the House of Lords were as lively and devastating as Lloyd George’s own. Indeed Churchill, as an alleged traitor to his class, earned the lion’s share of Tory animosity. His campaigning in the two general elections of 1910 and in the House of Commons during the passage of the Parliament Act of 1911, which curbed the House of Lords’ powers, won him wide popular acclaim. In the Cabinet his reward was promotion to the office of home secretary. Here, despite substantial achievements in prison reform, he had to devote himself principally to coping with a sweeping wave of industrial unrest and violent strikes. Upon occasion his relish for dramatic action led him beyond the limits of his proper role as the guarantor of public order. For this he paid a heavy price in incurring the long-standing suspicion of organized labour.
In 1911 the provocative German action in sending a gunboat to Agadir, the Moroccan port to which France had claims, convinced Churchill that in any major Franco-German conflict Britain would have to be at France’s side. When transferred to the Admiralty in October 1911, he went to work with a conviction of the need to bring the navy to a pitch of instant readiness. His first task was the creation of a naval war staff. To help Britain’s lead over steadily mounting German naval power, Churchill successfully campaigned in the Cabinet for the largest naval expenditure in British history. Despite his inherited Tory views on Ireland, he wholeheartedly embraced the Liberal policy of Home Rule, moving the second reading of the Irish Home Rule Bill of 1912 and campaigning for it in the teeth of Unionist opposition. Although, through his friendship with F.E. Smith (later 1st earl of Birkenhead) and Austen Chamberlain, he did much to arrange the compromise by which Ulster was to be excluded from the immediate effect of the bill, no member of the government was more bitterly abused—by Tories as a renegade and by extreme Home Rulers as a defector.

ROFLMNAO... Isn't it wonderful how the terms of relevance just FUCK THESE IDIOTS UP?

Hysterical... On several levels and in at least two contexts...

I'll let you describe your reply.

Well friends, that is what is known as a Default Concession.

Essentially the opposition flees the argument; excusing themselves through any number of fallacious rants.

But when it is all said and done, what the record will reflect is the Left will have brought dissemblence and obfuscation due to their inability to offer a coherent, cogent, well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument.

Do you really want to go into the insipid nature of British Politics and the relevance of 19th century Liberalism and its comparison to the term as it is used today? Do you really want to discuss the comparison of Chamberlain's appeasement of the Socialist Nazis and Churchill's vehement opposition to that policy?

I don't think ya do...

Given that you're source sites Churchill as the Liberal and Chamberlain as the Conservative.

But if that's what you're after, I'll happily help ya to a hard time.

Sure, like I have to worry about a REVISIONIST blowhard who doesn't know the difference between JOSEPH Chamberlain and Neville Chamberlain. Joseph was dead 20 years when Neville's appeasement was signed.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Now the interesting thing here, is that this dumbass MODIFIED the quote herself... And in so doing, flipped the quote 180 degrees out of its original context...

Thus, as noted above, the member sought to use the credibility of Winston Churchill through advancing his thoughts; but because Churchill was an instinctive, unapologetic CONSERVATIVE... who targeted his comment to those of his day who resembled MIDCAN5's mindset; Midcan5 felt obligated to RETAIN THE CREDIBILITY OF CHURCHILL and simply REVISE THIS MESSAGE TO REFLECT THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF HIS INTENTION IN STATING IT.

The Left's entire history exist within such revisions... "Fascism is 'Right Wing," "Communism is Right Wing..." and so on are ALL part and parcel of a revision of the historical record, which must take place in order for the left to maintain ANY relevance which must stand upon some discernible credibility. Given that the record of History thoroughly discredits the whole of the ideological Left, it is imperative that they CHANGE that history; which amounts to little more than a damnable LIE!

Again, you are clearly a "Leftist" trying to make CON$ look stupid, and doing a good job of it.

Sir Winston Churchill (prime minister of United Kingdom) :: As Liberal minister -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia
Sir Winston Churchill

As Liberal minister prime minister of United Kingdomin full Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill born Nov. 30, 1874, Blenheim Palace, Oxfordshire, Eng. died Jan. 24, 1965, London

Political career before 1939 » As Liberal minister

In 1904 the Conservative government found itself impaled on a dilemma by Colonial Secretary Joseph Chamberlain’s open advocacy of a tariff. Churchill, a convinced free trader, helped to found the Free Food League. He was disavowed by his constituents and became increasingly alienated from his party. In 1904 he joined the Liberals and won renown for the audacity of his attacks on Chamberlain and Balfour. The radical elements in his political makeup came to the surface under the influence of two colleagues in particular, John Morley, a political legatee of W.E. Gladstone, and David Lloyd George, the rising Welsh orator and firebrand. In the ensuing general election in 1906 he secured a notable victory in Manchester and began his ministerial career in the new Liberal government as undersecretary of state for the colonies. He soon gained credit for his able defense of the policy of conciliation and self-government in South Africa. When the ministry was reconstructed under Prime Minister Herbert H. Asquith in 1908, Churchill was promoted to president of the Board of Trade, with a seat in the Cabinet. Defeated at the ensuing by-election in Manchester, he won an election at Dundee. In the same year he married the beautiful Clementine Hozier; it was a marriage of unbroken affection that provided a secure and happy background for his turbulent career.
At the Board of trade, Churchill emerged as a leader in the movement of Liberalism away from laissez-faire toward social reform. He completed the work begun by his predecessor, Lloyd George, on the bill imposing an eight-hour maximum day for miners. He himself was responsible for attacking the evils of “sweated” labour by setting up trade boards with power to fix minimum wages and for combating unemployment by instituting state-run labour exchanges.
When this Liberal program necessitated high taxation, which in turn provoked the House of Lords to the revolutionary step of rejecting the budget of 1909, Churchill was Lloyd George’s closest ally in developing the provocative strategy designed to clip the wings of the upper chamber. Churchill became president of the Budget League, and his oratorical broadsides at the House of Lords were as lively and devastating as Lloyd George’s own. Indeed Churchill, as an alleged traitor to his class, earned the lion’s share of Tory animosity. His campaigning in the two general elections of 1910 and in the House of Commons during the passage of the Parliament Act of 1911, which curbed the House of Lords’ powers, won him wide popular acclaim. In the Cabinet his reward was promotion to the office of home secretary. Here, despite substantial achievements in prison reform, he had to devote himself principally to coping with a sweeping wave of industrial unrest and violent strikes. Upon occasion his relish for dramatic action led him beyond the limits of his proper role as the guarantor of public order. For this he paid a heavy price in incurring the long-standing suspicion of organized labour.
In 1911 the provocative German action in sending a gunboat to Agadir, the Moroccan port to which France had claims, convinced Churchill that in any major Franco-German conflict Britain would have to be at France’s side. When transferred to the Admiralty in October 1911, he went to work with a conviction of the need to bring the navy to a pitch of instant readiness. His first task was the creation of a naval war staff. To help Britain’s lead over steadily mounting German naval power, Churchill successfully campaigned in the Cabinet for the largest naval expenditure in British history. Despite his inherited Tory views on Ireland, he wholeheartedly embraced the Liberal policy of Home Rule, moving the second reading of the Irish Home Rule Bill of 1912 and campaigning for it in the teeth of Unionist opposition. Although, through his friendship with F.E. Smith (later 1st earl of Birkenhead) and Austen Chamberlain, he did much to arrange the compromise by which Ulster was to be excluded from the immediate effect of the bill, no member of the government was more bitterly abused—by Tories as a renegade and by extreme Home Rulers as a defector.

I'll let you describe your reply.

Do you really want to go into the insipid nature of British Politics and the relevance of 19th century Liberalism and its comparison to the term as it is used today? Do you really want to discuss the comparison of Chamberlain's appeasement of the Socialist Nazis and Churchill's vehement opposition to that policy?

I don't think ya do...

Given that you're source sites Churchill as the Liberal and Chamberlain as the Conservative.

But if that's what you're after, I'll happily help ya to a hard time.

Sure, like I have to worry about a REVISIONIST blowhard who doesn't know the difference between JOSEPH Chamberlain and Neville Chamberlain. Joseph was dead 20 years when Neville's appeasement was signed.

So again, the Left comes to change the subject...

FACT: Winston Churchill was not a Leftist... By modern standards, Churchill would be considered a STAUNCH CONSERVATIVE... diehard anti-communist and his record reflects nothing less...

No one knows anything or gives a red rats ass about Joseph Chamberlain because he amounts to an obscure footnote in British history and bears absolutely no relevance to history at large or, more importantly... this thread.

 

[edthecynic]

Again, you are clearly a "Leftist" trying to make CON$ look stupid, and doing a good job of it.

Sir Winston Churchill (prime minister of United Kingdom) :: As Liberal minister -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia
Sir Winston Churchill

As Liberal minister prime minister of United Kingdomin full Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill born Nov. 30, 1874, Blenheim Palace, Oxfordshire, Eng. died Jan. 24, 1965, London

Political career before 1939 » As Liberal minister

In 1904 the Conservative government found itself impaled on a dilemma by Colonial Secretary Joseph Chamberlain’s open advocacy of a tariff. Churchill, a convinced free trader, helped to found the Free Food League. He was disavowed by his constituents and became increasingly alienated from his party. In 1904 he joined the Liberals and won renown for the audacity of his attacks on Chamberlain and Balfour. The radical elements in his political makeup came to the surface under the influence of two colleagues in particular, John Morley, a political legatee of W.E. Gladstone, and David Lloyd George, the rising Welsh orator and firebrand. In the ensuing general election in 1906 he secured a notable victory in Manchester and began his ministerial career in the new Liberal government as undersecretary of state for the colonies. He soon gained credit for his able defense of the policy of conciliation and self-government in South Africa. When the ministry was reconstructed under Prime Minister Herbert H. Asquith in 1908, Churchill was promoted to president of the Board of Trade, with a seat in the Cabinet. Defeated at the ensuing by-election in Manchester, he won an election at Dundee. In the same year he married the beautiful Clementine Hozier; it was a marriage of unbroken affection that provided a secure and happy background for his turbulent career.
At the Board of trade, Churchill emerged as a leader in the movement of Liberalism away from laissez-faire toward social reform. He completed the work begun by his predecessor, Lloyd George, on the bill imposing an eight-hour maximum day for miners. He himself was responsible for attacking the evils of “sweated” labour by setting up trade boards with power to fix minimum wages and for combating unemployment by instituting state-run labour exchanges.
When this Liberal program necessitated high taxation, which in turn provoked the House of Lords to the revolutionary step of rejecting the budget of 1909, Churchill was Lloyd George’s closest ally in developing the provocative strategy designed to clip the wings of the upper chamber. Churchill became president of the Budget League, and his oratorical broadsides at the House of Lords were as lively and devastating as Lloyd George’s own. Indeed Churchill, as an alleged traitor to his class, earned the lion’s share of Tory animosity. His campaigning in the two general elections of 1910 and in the House of Commons during the passage of the Parliament Act of 1911, which curbed the House of Lords’ powers, won him wide popular acclaim. In the Cabinet his reward was promotion to the office of home secretary. Here, despite substantial achievements in prison reform, he had to devote himself principally to coping with a sweeping wave of industrial unrest and violent strikes. Upon occasion his relish for dramatic action led him beyond the limits of his proper role as the guarantor of public order. For this he paid a heavy price in incurring the long-standing suspicion of organized labour.
In 1911 the provocative German action in sending a gunboat to Agadir, the Moroccan port to which France had claims, convinced Churchill that in any major Franco-German conflict Britain would have to be at France’s side. When transferred to the Admiralty in October 1911, he went to work with a conviction of the need to bring the navy to a pitch of instant readiness. His first task was the creation of a naval war staff. To help Britain’s lead over steadily mounting German naval power, Churchill successfully campaigned in the Cabinet for the largest naval expenditure in British history. Despite his inherited Tory views on Ireland, he wholeheartedly embraced the Liberal policy of Home Rule, moving the second reading of the Irish Home Rule Bill of 1912 and campaigning for it in the teeth of Unionist opposition. Although, through his friendship with F.E. Smith (later 1st earl of Birkenhead) and Austen Chamberlain, he did much to arrange the compromise by which Ulster was to be excluded from the immediate effect of the bill, no member of the government was more bitterly abused—by Tories as a renegade and by extreme Home Rulers as a defector.

Do you really want to go into the insipid nature of British Politics and the relevance of 19th century Liberalism and its comparison to the term as it is used today? Do you really want to discuss the comparison of Chamberlain's appeasement of the Socialist Nazis and Churchill's vehement opposition to that policy?

I don't think ya do...

Given that you're source sites Churchill as the Liberal and Chamberlain as the Conservative.

But if that's what you're after, I'll happily help ya to a hard time.

Sure, like I have to worry about a REVISIONIST blowhard who doesn't know the difference between JOSEPH Chamberlain and Neville Chamberlain. Joseph was dead 20 years when Neville's appeasement was signed.

So again, the Left comes to change the subject...

FACT: Winston Churchill was not a Leftist... By modern standards, Churchill would be considered a STAUNCH CONSERVATIVE... diehard anti-communist and his record reflects nothing less...

No one knows anything or gives a red rats ass about Joseph Chamberlain because he amounts to an obscure footnote in British history and bears absolutely no relevance to history at large or, more importantly... this thread.

Churchill's record of support for a minimum wage and higher taxes hardly establishes him as a "staunch CON$ervative."

And it was Joseph who was cited in the Encyclopedia Britannica article I posted that you stupidly confused with Neville, and therefore is quite relevant to this thread and your feeble attempts at revisionism.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Sure, like I have to worry about a REVISIONIST blowhard who doesn't know the difference between JOSEPH Chamberlain and Neville Chamberlain. Joseph was dead 20 years when Neville's appeasement was signed.

So again, the Left comes to change the subject...

FACT: Winston Churchill was not a Leftist... By modern standards, Churchill would be considered a STAUNCH CONSERVATIVE... diehard anti-communist and his record reflects nothing less...

No one knows anything or gives a red rats ass about Joseph Chamberlain because he amounts to an obscure footnote in British history and bears absolutely no relevance to history at large or, more importantly... this thread.

Churchill's record of support for a minimum wage and higher taxes hardly establishes him as a "staunch CON$ervative."

And it was Joseph who was cited in the Encyclopedia Britannica article I posted that you stupidly confused with Neville, and therefore is quite relevant to this thread and your feeble attempts at revisionism.

ROFLMNAO...

You're such a loser... it truly hurts to watch.

 

[edthecynic]

So again, the Left comes to change the subject...

FACT: Winston Churchill was not a Leftist... By modern standards, Churchill would be considered a STAUNCH CONSERVATIVE... diehard anti-communist and his record reflects nothing less...

No one knows anything or gives a red rats ass about Joseph Chamberlain because he amounts to an obscure footnote in British history and bears absolutely no relevance to history at large or, more importantly... this thread.

Churchill's record of support for a minimum wage and higher taxes hardly establishes him as a "staunch CON$ervative."

And it was Joseph who was cited in the Encyclopedia Britannica article I posted that you stupidly confused with Neville, and therefore is quite relevant to this thread and your feeble attempts at revisionism.

ROFLMNAO...

You're such a loser... it truly hurts to watch.

I'll use your own quote again.

Originally Posted by PubliusInfinitum
Well friends, that is what is known as a Default Concession.

Essentially the opposition flees the argument; excusing themselves through any number of fallacious rants.

But when it is all said and done, what the record will reflect is the Left will have brought dissemblence and obfuscation due to their inability to offer a coherent, cogent, well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument.

 

[Dr Grump]

Bill Maher is great...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Maher is just an faux erudite, anti-American douschebag...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

1. We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.

2. We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles and St. Germain shall be abrogated.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

4. Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.

5. Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.

6. The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.

We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.

9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.

Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.

20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.

22. We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.

23. We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:

(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.

(b) Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.

(c) All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.

Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.

24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.

The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the pinciple:

COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.

The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.

These are Hitlers German Workers Party 25 Points, you can make your own conclusion as to the merits of it where it fits into right or left. However as a means of comparison....

The Socialist Party stands for the abolition of every form of domination and exploitation, whether based on social class, gender, race/ethnicity, age, education, sexual orientation, or other characteristics.

We are committed to the transformation of capitalism through the creation of a democratic socialist society based on compassion, empathy, and respect as well as the development of new social structures. Socialism will establish a new social and economic order in which workers and community members will take responsibility for and control of their interpersonal relationships, their neighborhoods, their local government, and the production and distribution of all goods and services.

For these reasons we call for social ownership and democratic control of productive resources, for a guarantee to all of the right to participate in societal production, and to a fair share of society's product, in accordance with individual needs.

As we pursue a socialist transformation of society, we join with others in making radical demands on the existing system: demands that challenge the basic assumptions of a capitalist market economy while pointing the way to a new society. Although reforms will not in themselves bring about socialism, the fight for them will advance the cause by demonstrating the inherent limitations and injustice of the capitalist system. As we build the socialist movement, we organize around a platform committed to our common and interdependent struggles and aspirations.

Hmm... Navy, that's pretty wordy... thus it requires the attention span common to a typical 12 year old to work through it...

Thus it's unlikely that we're going to see the Leftists on this board or anywhere else 'work through it' let alone find the intellecual means to reason through it.

In essense, as your references note, there is virtually no distinction between the two entities... and THAT sir, simply means that the thoughts common to BOTH do not fit the mold of the illusion which modern Leftist indoctrination has established, thus it must be rejected.

In effect you're confusing the opposition with facts and that just won't DO!

Notice that THESE FACTS are of no interests to those who are advocating the position which these facts REFUTE.

STILL... NOT ONE "fascist are right wingers" wants to address this post... it is AMAZING how they'll ignore ANYTHING that pokes at their DELUSIONAL BALLOON...

 

[edthecynic]

Churchill's record of support for a minimum wage and higher taxes hardly establishes him as a "staunch CON$ervative."

And it was Joseph who was cited in the Encyclopedia Britannica article I posted that you stupidly confused with Neville, and therefore is quite relevant to this thread and your feeble attempts at revisionism.

ROFLMNAO...

You're such a loser... it truly hurts to watch.

I'll use your own quote again.

Originally Posted by PubliusInfinitum
Well friends, that is what is known as a Default Concession.

Essentially the opposition flees the argument; excusing themselves through any number of fallacious rants.

But when it is all said and done, what the record will reflect is the Left will have brought dissemblence and obfuscation due to their inability to offer a coherent, cogent, well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument.

PubicInterruptus has privately surrendered by informing me she has put me on ignore. Your white flag has been accepted.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Oh that is MUCH BETTER...

No more static...

 

[Yukon]

PublicHaiusInfinitumr is proof that what Bill Maher said is true.

 

[HUGGY]

ROFLMNAO...

You're such a loser... it truly hurts to watch.

I'll use your own quote again.

Originally Posted by PubliusInfinitum
Well friends, that is what is known as a Default Concession.

Essentially the opposition flees the argument; excusing themselves through any number of fallacious rants.

But when it is all said and done, what the record will reflect is the Left will have brought dissemblence and obfuscation due to their inability to offer a coherent, cogent, well reasoned, intellectually sound, logically valid argument.

PubicInterruptus has privately surrendered by informing me she has put me on ignore. Your white flag has been accepted.

It's a girl?