CDZ Big Government And Big Church Are Now The Same Thing

[Pellinore]

Actually, that is historically inaccurate. For example, the Puritans came to FORCE their idea of religion on everyone they could.

That's exaggerated. They were famously strict about their own followers adhering to their rules, but the Plymouth Colony did not force their beliefs on, for example, the Native Americans. The Massachusetts Bay Colony, which came later, was more ... let's say *extroverted* about it, but they also had dissidents such as Roger Williams and Anne Hutchinson, the former of which founded Rhode Island for just that reason. Others similarly founded Connecticut.

This is also overlooking another major reality: Most of the people that first settled here did not come for religious freedom; they came to make money. Fewer than half of the Mayflower passengers were Separatists; the rest were either crew, bodyguards, or workers. The same went for the English settlers at Jamestown, who arrived years earlier: they left England to set up a new colony and (try to) make themselves rich, and the Dutch settlers of New Amsterdam were originally after beaver pelts.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

People have the right to get married. To deny that right to some people while allowing it to others, without a compelling reason why, is a violation of their Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment rights.

Correct.

And it’s that settled, accepted precedent which is in jeopardy, under threat from the religious right.

 

[Blues Man]

I'm pretty sure every state requires two witnesses. Which don't?

Witnesses to Marriages by State

Only about half of the states in the country require witnesses for marriage ceremonies. Their only responsibility is to affirm that the couple is voluntarily entering the union, and to sign the marriage license. Once you’ve checked out the requirements in your state, then find an officiant to...

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[surada]

Witnesses to Marriages by State

Only about half of the states in the country require witnesses for marriage ceremonies. Their only responsibility is to affirm that the couple is voluntarily entering the union, and to sign the marriage license. Once you’ve checked out the requirements in your state, then find an officiant to...

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Thanks. Looks like I'm wrong.

 

[Blues Man]

So getting married in a Church establishes a Religion? You're not a bright one.

You need to read the Amendment

It says

Congress shall pass no law RESPECTING an establishment of religion.

It says nothing about establishing a religion.

Allowing a church to have governmental powers is a violation of the first amendment.

 

[Blues Man]

There is no "marriage contract"....Only the license.

You know nothing about contract law either.

The license is the property contract.

 

[SweetSue92]

Our ancestors escaped Europe to set up shop over here for that very reason. Is another 1776 moment needed again, to retake individual liberty, that is being eroded under the guise of religious freedom?

Um

Not my church

 

[surada]

The license is the property contract.

Nope.

 

[Blues Man]

Nope.

Implied Contract - an equitable remedy whereby a court will find that an implicit understanding exists between two parties has the force of an explicit written agreement.

 

[surada]

Implied Contract - an equitable remedy whereby a court will find that an implicit understanding exists between two parties has the force of an explicit written agreement.

marriage

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Blues Man]

marriage

www.law.cornell.edu

The implied contract covers property ownership and division between the parties unless a pre or post nup contract is drafetd and signed

 

[beautress]

Many Puritans came to the US to escape persecution but I have also heard they did not offer much in the way of personal freedom.

They didn't have bufoons rioting in the streets and shooting passers-by and their fellow crazies alike. Those notorious colonial stocks weren't so bad because sitting in one of them with one's hands exposed to sunburn wasn't just a whole lotta fun like the wanton shooting of other people must be when the Democrats support it 100%. The entire party sits on its hands to help the American people get by, while forgetful Democrats lunatics govern.

 

[beautress]

You need to read the Amendment

It says

Congress shall pass no law RESPECTING an establishment of religion.

It says nothing about establishing a religion.

Allowing a church to have governmental powers is a violation of the first amendment.

That seems to follow the error of "socialism isn't communism" when in reality the two have every interchangeable operation in practice with a strong propensity to resort to murder to get rid of anyone who opposes their oligarchs' shenanigans.

 

[martybegan]

Same. I wish all gun humpers would concealed carry.

CDZ.

And may I ask why?

 

[Oddball]

The license is the property contract.

Let's say that's true.....It is then what's known as a contract of adhesion.

• There is no starting and ending date - completely open ended
• There are no terms and conditions for fulfillment or breach
• The terms for breach and dissolution aren't determined in advance
• The principals are forced into into the "contract"

In any other instance, courts declare adhesion contracts null and void ab initio,

 

[Blues Man]

Let's say that's true.....It is then what's known as a contract of adhesion.

• There is no starting and ending date - completely open ended
• There are no terms and conditions for fulfillment or breach
• The terms for breach and dissolution aren't determined in advance
• The principals are forced into into the "contract"

In any other instance, courts declare adhesion contracts null and void ab initio,

It starts on the day of the wedding ceremony and ends when either party is granted a divorce.

It's part of the implied terms that have been established over centuries. And the principals are perfectly free to draft their own contracts either before or after the wedding that will supersede the implied contract.

 

[Oddball]

It starts on the day of the wedding ceremony and ends when either party is granted a divorce.

It's part of the implied terms that have been established over centuries. And the principals are perfectly free to draft their own contracts either before or after the wedding that will supersede the implied contract.

uh-huh....Like I said, open ended.

Real contracts have a specified time frame.

 

[Blues Man]

uh-huh....Like I said, open ended.

Real contracts have a specified time frame.

And people are perfectly free to draft their own marriage contracts if they do not want to abide by the implied terms.

Implied contracts are legally recognized.

An implied contract is a non-verbal and unwritten – yet still legally binding – contract that exists based on the behavior of the parties involved or on a set of circumstances. Implied contracts are relatively rare compared to the more commonplace express contract, which is usually a formal, written agreement but may also be in the form of an oral agreement.

 

[Oddball]

CDZ.

And may I ask why?

Because the maudes don't give a fuck anymore

 

[Oddball]

And people are perfectly free to draft their own marriage contracts if they do not want to abide by the implied terms.

Implied contracts are legally recognized.

An implied contract is a non-verbal and unwritten – yet still legally binding – contract that exists based on the behavior of the parties involved or on a set of circumstances. Implied contracts are relatively rare compared to the more commonplace express contract, which is usually a formal, written agreement but may also be in the form of an oral agreement.

Irrelevant to the fact that it still fulfills the other criteria for adhesion contracts.

Contracts of Adhesion: Everything You Need to Know

Adhesion Contracts are also known as boilerplate contracts, standard form contracts, take-it-or-leave-it contracts. Learn more about their meaning, examples, fairness. Most of the contracts that consumers sign are adhesion contracts.

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